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Black Jews AKA lost tribes of Israel
majimaji
#21 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 2:29:28 PM
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masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
majimaji wrote:

I'm Dorobo and proud. The Dorobo also were hunter gatherers that occupied parts forests around Karura, forest road, ngong forest. Absorbed by the Kikuyu and Maasai, this groups together with the Gumba and Athi people have disappeared from history. Fact is, the kikuyu did not name most areas of muranga and nyeri, most place names there have no meaning in kikuyu. Also most kikuyu names have no meaning in kikuyu, reason being that they were adapted from earlier settlers.

sshhh... the guys who believe they originated from mukurwe wa nyagathanga will hear and realise their history is rubbish. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


No history is rubbish.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly right!! the interesting thing about history is that the nearer it is to the current period of time the more sane it is... if you start turning back the clock... it becomes more ridiculous and weird until it becomes utter rubbish.


Fact is, there were no people known as the Agikuyu, Aembu or Ameru before circa 1500 (this is the time Mr. Vasco da Gama was finding the route to India and Mr Christopher Colombo was getting lost in the Red Indian lands now known as the Americas) The British created some kabilas at the time they were grabbing african land under queen Victoria.
masukuma
#22 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 2:51:53 PM
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majimaji wrote:
masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
majimaji wrote:

I'm Dorobo and proud. The Dorobo also were hunter gatherers that occupied parts forests around Karura, forest road, ngong forest. Absorbed by the Kikuyu and Maasai, this groups together with the Gumba and Athi people have disappeared from history. Fact is, the kikuyu did not name most areas of muranga and nyeri, most place names there have no meaning in kikuyu. Also most kikuyu names have no meaning in kikuyu, reason being that they were adapted from earlier settlers.

sshhh... the guys who believe they originated from mukurwe wa nyagathanga will hear and realise their history is rubbish. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


No history is rubbish.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly right!! the interesting thing about history is that the nearer it is to the current period of time the more sane it is... if you start turning back the clock... it becomes more ridiculous and weird until it becomes utter rubbish.


Fact is, there were no people known as the Agikuyu, Aembu or Ameru before circa 1500 (this is the time Mr. Vasco da Gama was finding the route to India and Mr Christopher Colombo was getting lost in the Red Indian lands now known as the Americas) The British created some kabilas at the time they were grabbing african land under queen Victoria.

of course! the band of people that migrated northwards from Mt Kilimanjaro was not the group we have now. No ethnic group is what their history tells us they were. None... a band of people moving killing and assimilating others if they are strong enough or being killed or assimilated if they are weak. but language and DNA does not lie... our history lies to us! this includes the narratives of the dorobo and other early dwellers of this part of the planet.
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gk
#23 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 3:39:03 PM
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majimaji wrote:

I'm Dorobo and proud. The Dorobo also were hunter gatherers that occupied parts forests around Karura, forest road, ngong forest. Absorbed by the Kikuyu and Maasai, this groups together with the Gumba and Athi people have disappeared from history. Fact is, the kikuyu did not name most areas of muranga and nyeri, most place names there have no meaning in kikuyu. Also most kikuyu names have no meaning in kikuyu, reason being that they were adapted from earlier settlers.


So you are the only surviving member? Shouldnt you be declared endangered? smile smile
Lolest!
#24 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 4:09:53 PM
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this includes the narratives of the dorobo and other early dwellers of this part of the planet.

The Dorobo narrative is real. They owned most of the forested lands in Southern Kikuyuland

Even upto the coming of the British, small groups of the Dorobo still existed separate from the Gikuyu! And a number of Kikuyu trace their ancestry from them
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masukuma
#25 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 4:28:41 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
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this includes the narratives of the dorobo and other early dwellers of this part of the planet.

The Dorobo narrative is real. They owned most of the forested lands in Southern Kikuyuland

Even upto the coming of the British, small groups of the Dorobo still existed separate from the Gikuyu! And a number of Kikuyu trace their ancestry from them

yeah.... that's their recent narrative (500 years?) which is true... but if you take the clock back I am sure it won't tell you about the other people they found in their current place. not that it was uninhabited. The history of the world is such that more often than not history is written by the victors. Dorobo were victors for sometime - their narrative held until it was nearly overwritten by the newer victor. that is what I mean. These lands have always been inhabited we just don't know who those people were.
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#26 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 4:54:03 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Swenani wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Black jewry is fascinating... there is a book about it...
apparently the Ashanti, Tutsi, Igbo, Zulu, Beta Israel, Maasai and many others claim to be jews...



Who is a jew? Is it by birth, religion, culture, geography etc?

apparently...By claim! if you look different from the people around you. if you have distinct cultures from those around you, if you have beaten them in war over and over again. Then Christianity shows up on your door step... you automatically associate with the conquests of the Israelites then draw an imaginary line between the so called lost tribes of israel (Samarians) and you... and then teach that to your kids... a couple of generations later - everyone has internalized the claim.


Don't draw your definition of who a black Jew is supposed to be and fit them into it.
gk
#27 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 6:04:25 PM
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Where did the Tutsi come from? Their physical features n cattle keeping habits are non Bantu unlike all their immediate neighbours n during the genocide they were being told to return to their home in Ethiopia.....a fallacy advanced by some like John Speke unable to explain their origins.
masukuma
#28 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 6:30:59 PM
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¿ wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Swenani wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Black jewry is fascinating... there is a book about it...
apparently the Ashanti, Tutsi, Igbo, Zulu, Beta Israel, Maasai and many others claim to be jews...



Who is a jew? Is it by birth, religion, culture, geography etc?

apparently...By claim! if you look different from the people around you. if you have distinct cultures from those around you, if you have beaten them in war over and over again. Then Christianity shows up on your door step... you automatically associate with the conquests of the Israelites then draw an imaginary line between the so called lost tribes of israel (Samarians) and you... and then teach that to your kids... a couple of generations later - everyone has internalized the claim.


Don't draw your definition of who a black Jew is supposed to be and fit them into it.

the only common thing about jewry across all claimants is just that the claim to be jews...
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Lolest!
#29 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 6:36:02 PM
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gk wrote:
Where did the Tutsi come from? Their physical features n cattle keeping habits are non Bantu unlike all their immediate neighbours n during the genocide they were being told to return to their home in Ethiopia.....a fallacy advanced by some like John Speke unable to explain their origins.

That theory is elaborated by Ugandan history scholar Mahmood Mamdani in his book on the 1994 genocide, From Victims to Killers

He further explains in his book that they brought with them centralized govt when they migrated from Ethiopia after which they Lorded over the Bantu Hutu

I find it plausible that the Batutsi are descended from Ethiopia or some Cushites. One time in a bus I chatted with a lady who told me she was a Mnyarwanda. I remember pointing out to her that she looked more Ethiopian than 'other African'
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masukuma
#30 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 6:39:03 PM
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gk wrote:
Where did the Tutsi come from? Their physical features n cattle keeping habits are non Bantu unlike all their immediate neighbours n during the genocide they were being told to return to their home in Ethiopia.....a fallacy advanced by some like John Speke unable to explain their origins.

the genes tell everything.... everything!
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