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Anti_Burglar wrote:¿ wrote:Spikes wrote:tycho wrote:We're living in tough times where we've lost sight of 'God' and are clutching at straws.
Humans are now looking up to each other for the deepest satisfaction, but that's a fool's errand. Many think by quoting verses they can fill their despair but that's a delusion.
Who will come with the light of wisdom and love and healing? You hypocrites! If you say homosexual is a choice and individuals should be free to exercise same sex marriage, absolute lunacy. Is like legalizing stealing, murder and all manners of obnoxious deeds you detest in society. Arguments used to support lgbts can apply to incestuous relationships but the former is more 'popular' than the latter. Society is a fickle thing to please. It is human nature to propagate their ideas to get new members that is why there is a clash. As heterosexuals are propagating theirs, the homosexuals are also propagating theirs to get new members, hence the clash. There is not enough room for both. Destruction of one is coming! I think there is enough room for both and more. Homosexuals and heterosexuals may agree on the same ideas but differ on their limits. This is one of those topics that reveals such differences and the inadequacy of parties to concretely justify their positions.As long as that holds, the potential for destruction will always be there with every idea and limit that comes along.
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I do not think there is anything I despise more than seeing a boy acting girlishly. Nkt. If you want a girl, go get the real thing, not a boy who acts like a girl.  Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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¿ wrote:tycho wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote:Jinomoja wrote:Quote:Christianity is not a western thing; the whites brought us Christianity to us, but they passed on to us what they received.
If today someone from the Abagusii community preaches Christianity to a group in Sudan, will they say it is an Abagusii religion?? But where did the whites receive it from? From the Jews? From the Early Roman Christians? How does ignoring the origins of Christianity validate your argument that it's not a Western Thing? Is colonialism the best thing that ever happened to Africa because it brought us Christianity? How about Slavery? Is Africa such a cursed place that revelation couldn't be handed directly to us? It had to be passed on to us through 3rd parties? Some Ethiopians got it direct. Perhaps you are implying that is the way Africans ought to have gone. This issue isn't about Christianity or Christian values. It's about human values and how we can deliberate on them and how we can change them. But because we can't have a straight (alas) forward conversation, the church and religion are brought out as straw men to apparently, divert attention and ramp up emotion. Sometimes I think it's a powerful psychological operation driven by a few for purposes beyond what a common person can see. I tend to agree with some conspiracists that it's about complete domination of the masses ... This issue isn't about human values. It's about values. Science and psychology are also brought in as straw men but they offer no objective insights to the matter of values. They do make a good appeal to authority. lol. Values, and human values; what's the difference? Non human values. Do they exist ... how do they exist? It's an interesting line of thought. Appeal to authority is the way of the masses. Not even science is exempt from it. 'We' can't help it. Or so it seems. But on the other hand there's the issue of an individual worldview. Personal experience and coexistence with other forms of experience. Now rules don't hold and ALL values are valid. This matter of LGBT rights may be a great thing happening because it ultimately leads to critical issues; for example, how personal experience is protected and even how one wants to live and actually living it.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote:Jinomoja wrote:Quote:Christianity is not a western thing; the whites brought us Christianity to us, but they passed on to us what they received.
If today someone from the Abagusii community preaches Christianity to a group in Sudan, will they say it is an Abagusii religion?? But where did the whites receive it from? From the Jews? From the Early Roman Christians? How does ignoring the origins of Christianity validate your argument that it's not a Western Thing? Is colonialism the best thing that ever happened to Africa because it brought us Christianity? How about Slavery? Is Africa such a cursed place that revelation couldn't be handed directly to us? It had to be passed on to us through 3rd parties? Some Ethiopians got it direct. Perhaps you are implying that is the way Africans ought to have gone. This issue isn't about Christianity or Christian values. It's about human values and how we can deliberate on them and how we can change them. But because we can't have a straight (alas) forward conversation, the church and religion are brought out as straw men to apparently, divert attention and ramp up emotion. Sometimes I think it's a powerful psychological operation driven by a few for purposes beyond what a common person can see. I tend to agree with some conspiracists that it's about complete domination of the masses ... This issue isn't about human values. It's about values. Science and psychology are also brought in as straw men but they offer no objective insights to the matter of values. They do make a good appeal to authority. lol. Values, and human values; what's the difference? Non human values. Do they exist ... how do they exist? It's an interesting line of thought. Appeal to authority is the way of the masses. Not even science is exempt from it. 'We' can't help it. Or so it seems. But on the other hand there's the issue of an individual worldview. Personal experience and coexistence with other forms of experience. Now rules don't hold and ALL values are valid. This matter of LGBT rights may be a great thing happening because it ultimately leads to critical issues; for example, how personal experience is protected and even how one wants to live and actually living it. Anything goes but some values are more equal than others. A self-defeating argument and the rights and critical issues you are talking about are just more 'equaler' values and issues.Stand for something or fall for anything but since there is nothing to stand on the only option is to fall for anything. Is that it?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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¿ wrote:tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote:Jinomoja wrote:Quote:Christianity is not a western thing; the whites brought us Christianity to us, but they passed on to us what they received.
If today someone from the Abagusii community preaches Christianity to a group in Sudan, will they say it is an Abagusii religion?? But where did the whites receive it from? From the Jews? From the Early Roman Christians? How does ignoring the origins of Christianity validate your argument that it's not a Western Thing? Is colonialism the best thing that ever happened to Africa because it brought us Christianity? How about Slavery? Is Africa such a cursed place that revelation couldn't be handed directly to us? It had to be passed on to us through 3rd parties? Some Ethiopians got it direct. Perhaps you are implying that is the way Africans ought to have gone. This issue isn't about Christianity or Christian values. It's about human values and how we can deliberate on them and how we can change them. But because we can't have a straight (alas) forward conversation, the church and religion are brought out as straw men to apparently, divert attention and ramp up emotion. Sometimes I think it's a powerful psychological operation driven by a few for purposes beyond what a common person can see. I tend to agree with some conspiracists that it's about complete domination of the masses ... This issue isn't about human values. It's about values. Science and psychology are also brought in as straw men but they offer no objective insights to the matter of values. They do make a good appeal to authority. lol. Values, and human values; what's the difference? Non human values. Do they exist ... how do they exist? It's an interesting line of thought. Appeal to authority is the way of the masses. Not even science is exempt from it. 'We' can't help it. Or so it seems. But on the other hand there's the issue of an individual worldview. Personal experience and coexistence with other forms of experience. Now rules don't hold and ALL values are valid. This matter of LGBT rights may be a great thing happening because it ultimately leads to critical issues; for example, how personal experience is protected and even how one wants to live and actually living it. Anything goes but some values are more equal than others. A self-defeating argument and the rights and critical issues you are talking about are just more 'equaler' values and issues.Stand for something or fall for anything but since there is nothing to stand on the only option is to fall for anything. Is that it? No. That's not it in all cases. Some values are more successful than others given prevailing conditions even though all values are equally valid. There's something to stand on; personal experience.
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tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote:Jinomoja wrote:Quote:Christianity is not a western thing; the whites brought us Christianity to us, but they passed on to us what they received.
If today someone from the Abagusii community preaches Christianity to a group in Sudan, will they say it is an Abagusii religion?? But where did the whites receive it from? From the Jews? From the Early Roman Christians? How does ignoring the origins of Christianity validate your argument that it's not a Western Thing? Is colonialism the best thing that ever happened to Africa because it brought us Christianity? How about Slavery? Is Africa such a cursed place that revelation couldn't be handed directly to us? It had to be passed on to us through 3rd parties? Some Ethiopians got it direct. Perhaps you are implying that is the way Africans ought to have gone. This issue isn't about Christianity or Christian values. It's about human values and how we can deliberate on them and how we can change them. But because we can't have a straight (alas) forward conversation, the church and religion are brought out as straw men to apparently, divert attention and ramp up emotion. Sometimes I think it's a powerful psychological operation driven by a few for purposes beyond what a common person can see. I tend to agree with some conspiracists that it's about complete domination of the masses ... This issue isn't about human values. It's about values. Science and psychology are also brought in as straw men but they offer no objective insights to the matter of values. They do make a good appeal to authority. lol. Values, and human values; what's the difference? Non human values. Do they exist ... how do they exist? It's an interesting line of thought. Appeal to authority is the way of the masses. Not even science is exempt from it. 'We' can't help it. Or so it seems. But on the other hand there's the issue of an individual worldview. Personal experience and coexistence with other forms of experience. Now rules don't hold and ALL values are valid. This matter of LGBT rights may be a great thing happening because it ultimately leads to critical issues; for example, how personal experience is protected and even how one wants to live and actually living it. Anything goes but some values are more equal than others. A self-defeating argument and the rights and critical issues you are talking about are just more 'equaler' values and issues.Stand for something or fall for anything but since there is nothing to stand on the only option is to fall for anything. Is that it? No. That's not it in all cases. Some values are more successful than others given prevailing conditions even though all values are equally valid. There's something to stand on; personal experience. Prevailing conditions can influence the success of some values but that doesn't mean they are of value. In any case I don't see any new values being proposed. Personal experience is not guaranteed and neither is an individual's life choices and that too should be equally valid.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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¿ wrote:tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote:Jinomoja wrote:Quote:Christianity is not a western thing; the whites brought us Christianity to us, but they passed on to us what they received.
If today someone from the Abagusii community preaches Christianity to a group in Sudan, will they say it is an Abagusii religion?? But where did the whites receive it from? From the Jews? From the Early Roman Christians? How does ignoring the origins of Christianity validate your argument that it's not a Western Thing? Is colonialism the best thing that ever happened to Africa because it brought us Christianity? How about Slavery? Is Africa such a cursed place that revelation couldn't be handed directly to us? It had to be passed on to us through 3rd parties? Some Ethiopians got it direct. Perhaps you are implying that is the way Africans ought to have gone. This issue isn't about Christianity or Christian values. It's about human values and how we can deliberate on them and how we can change them. But because we can't have a straight (alas) forward conversation, the church and religion are brought out as straw men to apparently, divert attention and ramp up emotion. Sometimes I think it's a powerful psychological operation driven by a few for purposes beyond what a common person can see. I tend to agree with some conspiracists that it's about complete domination of the masses ... This issue isn't about human values. It's about values. Science and psychology are also brought in as straw men but they offer no objective insights to the matter of values. They do make a good appeal to authority. lol. Values, and human values; what's the difference? Non human values. Do they exist ... how do they exist? It's an interesting line of thought. Appeal to authority is the way of the masses. Not even science is exempt from it. 'We' can't help it. Or so it seems. But on the other hand there's the issue of an individual worldview. Personal experience and coexistence with other forms of experience. Now rules don't hold and ALL values are valid. This matter of LGBT rights may be a great thing happening because it ultimately leads to critical issues; for example, how personal experience is protected and even how one wants to live and actually living it. Anything goes but some values are more equal than others. A self-defeating argument and the rights and critical issues you are talking about are just more 'equaler' values and issues.Stand for something or fall for anything but since there is nothing to stand on the only option is to fall for anything. Is that it? No. That's not it in all cases. Some values are more successful than others given prevailing conditions even though all values are equally valid. There's something to stand on; personal experience. Prevailing conditions can influence the success of some values but that doesn't mean they are of value. In any case I don't see any new values being proposed. Personal experience is not guaranteed and neither is an individual's life choices and that too should be equally valid. I believe both of the above observations are true!
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¿ wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote:¿ wrote:Spikes wrote:tycho wrote:We're living in tough times where we've lost sight of 'God' and are clutching at straws.
Humans are now looking up to each other for the deepest satisfaction, but that's a fool's errand. Many think by quoting verses they can fill their despair but that's a delusion.
Who will come with the light of wisdom and love and healing? You hypocrites! If you say homosexual is a choice and individuals should be free to exercise same sex marriage, absolute lunacy. Is like legalizing stealing, murder and all manners of obnoxious deeds you detest in society. Arguments used to support lgbts can apply to incestuous relationships but the former is more 'popular' than the latter. Society is a fickle thing to please. It is human nature to propagate their ideas to get new members that is why there is a clash. As heterosexuals are propagating theirs, the homosexuals are also propagating theirs to get new members, hence the clash. There is not enough room for both. Destruction of one is coming! I think there is enough room for both and more. Homosexuals and heterosexuals may agree on the same ideas but differ on their limits. This is one of those topics that reveals such differences and the inadequacy of parties to concretely justify their positions.As long as that holds, the potential for destruction will always be there with every idea and limit that comes along. Homosexuals need heterosexuals to bring forth children that can later be inducted into homosexuality. Like farming. Despicable.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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Robinhood wrote:I do not think there is anything I despise more than seeing a boy acting girlishly. Nkt. If you want a girl, go get the real thing, not a boy who acts like a girl. You like girls and things about them. He knows it. He hopes his efforts will not be in vain. That is proselytism, spread of the idea. Resist.
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