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UNGA HY16 PAT shrinks 21%
Pesa Nane
#1 Posted : Monday, February 29, 2016 12:43:56 PM
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Pesa Nane
#2 Posted : Monday, February 29, 2016 12:54:48 PM
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Arconnrk
#3 Posted : Monday, February 29, 2016 1:39:41 PM
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Pesa Nane wrote:


Applause like the steady growth of revenue and the rise in profits from continuing operations.

Surprised that the finance costs didn't seem to eat into margins as much as I feared from the full year results last year (when finance costs topped 200mn).

Cautious optimism for this one- the cloud in the sky is the warning that grain quality and quantity may disappoint this year.
Even the birds can testify...but you forget the chief has his son as the judge and his son-in-law as interpreter- Oumar Ba
Elephant Man
#4 Posted : Monday, February 29, 2016 3:03:59 PM
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Pity they haven't posted their Balance Sheet/Cash flow statement....
VituVingiSana
#5 Posted : Monday, February 29, 2016 7:20:53 PM
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@Arconnrk - Interesting point. Unga got cash from Nampak for the sale of Bullpak in Aug 2014 onwards. That helped REDUCE Unga's borrowings in FY2014-15.

On 30 June 2015 [11 months later] Unga paid Ndegwas 542mn (or so) for 52% of Ennsvalley. That cash is going, going, gone.

I do not see a comment specifically about interest/finance costs.

Regardless, without the CF & BS, tough to know what happened but I shall ASSuME the following:

1) Cashflow from profits used to pay down debt.
2) Cashflow from reducing inventory to pay down debt. [Think KK]
3) 542mn paid to Ndegwas but some cash-in-hand from Ennsvalley.
4) Reduction in receivables. [Think KK]
5) Increase in (interest-free) payables to suppliers.

Challenges:
- Competition
- Wheat imports
- Maize shortfall within the region eg Malawi has a drought

Positives:
- Amana pulses [If the missteps have been fixed]
- Wheat consumption is growing
- Maize can be imported from other countries [albeit at a higher cost]

I remain bullish on the growth in profits. The (continuing operations) EPS of 2.83 is +30% is impressive BUT one has to deduct the effects of Ennsvalley & loss of profits from Bullpak to compare apples to apples.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Elephant Man
#6 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2016 6:04:34 AM
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@VVS - have not seen Amana pulses on the shelves of Uchumi, Nakumatt, Naivas or Tusky's within my vicinity (Ngong Road)...more than twelve months after they said they would launch...maybe iko uko Ukwala or Carrefour...

As a minimum they should have posted a balance sheet when posting their 6 month results...ata kwa website hakuna...
Arconnrk
#7 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2016 8:13:24 PM
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Elephant Man wrote:
Pity they haven't posted their Balance Sheet/Cash flow statement....


@elephant CMA should have a quiet word with them that half-year should not mean half the financial statements.
Even the birds can testify...but you forget the chief has his son as the judge and his son-in-law as interpreter- Oumar Ba
Arconnrk
#8 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2016 8:41:25 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@Arconnrk - Interesting point. Unga got cash from Nampak for the sale of Bullpak in Aug 2014 onwards. That helped REDUCE Unga's borrowings in FY2014-15.

On 30 June 2015 [11 months later] Unga paid Ndegwas 542mn (or so) for 52% of Ennsvalley. That cash is going, going, gone.

I do not see a comment specifically about interest/finance costs.

Regardless, without the CF & BS, tough to know what happened but I shall ASSuME the following:

1) Cashflow from profits used to pay down debt.
2) Cashflow from reducing inventory to pay down debt. [Think KK]
3) 542mn paid to Ndegwas but some cash-in-hand from Ennsvalley.
4) Reduction in receivables. [Think KK]
5) Increase in (interest-free) payables to suppliers.

Challenges:
- Competition
- Wheat imports
- Maize shortfall within the region eg Malawi has a drought

Positives:
- Amana pulses [If the missteps have been fixed]
- Wheat consumption is growing
- Maize can be imported from other countries [albeit at a higher cost]

I remain bullish on the growth in profits. The (continuing operations) EPS of 2.83 is +30% is impressive BUT one has to deduct the effects of Ennsvalley & loss of profits from Bullpak to compare apples to apples.


Yes that Bullpak cash was sweet indeed in boosting last year's results. Sadly even when the half-year results are complete, Unga rarely gives much breakdown beyond the bare minimum (and they're not alone in this). We may not know until around October. I am hoping for the KK scenarios though.

On another matter the Ndegwa family really takes 'related party transactions' to another level (ennsvalley, Kenchic, NAS etc.)- I'm not complaining since Unga has not done badly in the deals as far as I know, but I wouldn't be surprised if even the sale of bullpak we subsequently discover they have a huge interest in Nampak.
Even the birds can testify...but you forget the chief has his son as the judge and his son-in-law as interpreter- Oumar Ba
VituVingiSana
#9 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:58:47 PM
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Elephant Man wrote:
@VVS - have not seen Amana pulses on the shelves of Uchumi, Nakumatt, Naivas or Tusky's within my vicinity (Ngong Road)...more than twelve months after they said they would launch...maybe iko uko Ukwala or Carrefour...

As a minimum they should have posted a balance sheet when posting their 6 month results...ata kwa website hakuna...

They need to work on Amana or kill the brand. It is a competitive market.
Yes, they should have posted a balance sheet. As you say, at least on their website.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#10 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2016 11:00:20 PM
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Arconnrk wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@Arconnrk - Interesting point. Unga got cash from Nampak for the sale of Bullpak in Aug 2014 onwards. That helped REDUCE Unga's borrowings in FY2014-15.

On 30 June 2015 [11 months later] Unga paid Ndegwas 542mn (or so) for 52% of Ennsvalley. That cash is going, going, gone.

I do not see a comment specifically about interest/finance costs.

Regardless, without the CF & BS, tough to know what happened but I shall ASSuME the following:

1) Cashflow from profits used to pay down debt.
2) Cashflow from reducing inventory to pay down debt. [Think KK]
3) 542mn paid to Ndegwas but some cash-in-hand from Ennsvalley.
4) Reduction in receivables. [Think KK]
5) Increase in (interest-free) payables to suppliers.

Challenges:
- Competition
- Wheat imports
- Maize shortfall within the region eg Malawi has a drought

Positives:
- Amana pulses [If the missteps have been fixed]
- Wheat consumption is growing
- Maize can be imported from other countries [albeit at a higher cost]

I remain bullish on the growth in profits. The (continuing operations) EPS of 2.83 is +30% is impressive BUT one has to deduct the effects of Ennsvalley & loss of profits from Bullpak to compare apples to apples.


Yes that Bullpak cash was sweet indeed in boosting last year's results. Sadly even when the half-year results are complete, Unga rarely gives much breakdown beyond the bare minimum (and they're not alone in this). We may not know until around October. I am hoping for the KK scenarios though.

On another matter the Ndegwa family really takes 'related party transactions' to another level (ennsvalley, Kenchic, NAS etc.)- I'm not complaining since Unga has not done badly in the deals as far as I know, but I wouldn't be surprised if even the sale of bullpak we subsequently discover they have a huge interest in Nampak.
Agreed. And IMHO, they sold Bullpak cheap and bought Ennsvalley at a high price.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Arconnrk
#11 Posted : Tuesday, April 19, 2016 1:34:36 AM
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Was it the power of prayers? Or pressure from owners?

Either way the director who was becoming a liability over the BAT scandal has resigned. Link

Applause
Even the birds can testify...but you forget the chief has his son as the judge and his son-in-law as interpreter- Oumar Ba
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