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limanika wrote:@masukuma et al. The Bible is principally about relationship between God and man. Man is a creature, i don't think there's any obligation on the part of the creator to 'prove' or explain certain things like origin of universe. Moving on quickly forward, I hold the view that probably what we need is someone to prove that it is not possible to explain the origin of the universe in our current physical state. Just like yo can't divide 1/0..... And perharps for our own good. What we can try to do is seek to understand the behaviour of space / time/ matter but only within our near environment/ neighborhood, just like an ant in mt Kenya. The meaning attributed to something is distinct from the thing itself - if you think about a photo your mum and dad took when they were dating... they may have seen a young man with a camera hanging on his chest and said... hey... let's take a photo and they did... you would later see that photo and it would have some meaning - meaning that was absent from the mind of the photographer and the photographed at the moment the photo was taken. Same thing with the bible... Do you think that paul had the whole world in mind when he was jotting a quick note to the slave owner Philemon? or while writing to a bunch of guys stuck up in corinth? Or do you think that when luke was writing to theophilus both the gospel and acts? not really... my point is we subjectively apportion the meaning of something based on our current stage of life. The bible itself does not say it's principally there as the relationship between God and Man (you). Of course I won't go into the long discussion of why some books are in and some are not (that is another long discussion). Your second point is easily addressed by Russel's teapot - The burden of proof lies on the believer. @antiBuglar - the east is a direction not a place! The east of Nairobi is Machakos... and everything else in that direction. So the wisemen could have been from the eastlando of Jerusalem, or Babylon... heck anywhere in that direction... it could have been mongolia, china or even Korea! it's east....a direction... the direction of the rising sun... but you miss the point.... the image said...'EVERY SINGLE ACTION OF GOD' All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Questions are results of our intelligence needs, and so do answers specifically meet these intelligence needs that alas are amenable to change. For example, my proclamation of God as singularity has many assumptions behind it, many probably wrong. Right now my thinking is that mentioning God is likely to create more confusion than clarity in day to day conversation. 'Intelligence' appears to be a better term, and the more I think about it the more I'm awed. Questions like the origin of the universe become insignificant, or even the end. Or even 'purpose'. As I was trying to figure out if the 'big bang' was/is/will be an intelligent event, it occurred to me that probably the universe has no size or form, and neither does it have a beginning or end. But of course the world has a beginning and end! http://www.techtimes.com...-no-beginning-no-end.htm
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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tycho wrote:Questions are results of our intelligence needs, and so do answers specifically meet these intelligence needs that alas are amenable to change. For example, my proclamation of God as singularity has many assumptions behind it, many probably wrong. Right now my thinking is that mentioning God is likely to create more confusion than clarity in day to day conversation. 'Intelligence' appears to be a better term, and the more I think about it the more I'm awed. Questions like the origin of the universe become insignificant, or even the end. Or even 'purpose'. As I was trying to figure out if the 'big bang' was/is/will be an intelligent event, it occurred to me that probably the universe has no size or form, and neither does it have a beginning or end. But of course the world has a beginning and end! http://www.techtimes.com...no-beginning-no-end.htm Ambitious! 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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¿ wrote:tycho wrote:Questions are results of our intelligence needs, and so do answers specifically meet these intelligence needs that alas are amenable to change. For example, my proclamation of God as singularity has many assumptions behind it, many probably wrong. Right now my thinking is that mentioning God is likely to create more confusion than clarity in day to day conversation. 'Intelligence' appears to be a better term, and the more I think about it the more I'm awed. Questions like the origin of the universe become insignificant, or even the end. Or even 'purpose'. As I was trying to figure out if the 'big bang' was/is/will be an intelligent event, it occurred to me that probably the universe has no size or form, and neither does it have a beginning or end. But of course the world has a beginning and end! http://www.techtimes.com...no-beginning-no-end.htm Ambitious! It will probably 'never add up'. Adding up is an intelligence function, but intelligence mostly involves excluding. That is, we 'create' dark matter in our activity. Probably when we do nothing we experience everything as it is; but then still 'it doesn't add up' because there's no adding.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:Questions are results of our intelligence needs, and so do answers specifically meet these intelligence needs that alas are amenable to change. For example, my proclamation of God as singularity has many assumptions behind it, many probably wrong. Right now my thinking is that mentioning God is likely to create more confusion than clarity in day to day conversation. 'Intelligence' appears to be a better term, and the more I think about it the more I'm awed. Questions like the origin of the universe become insignificant, or even the end. Or even 'purpose'. As I was trying to figure out if the 'big bang' was/is/will be an intelligent event, it occurred to me that probably the universe has no size or form, and neither does it have a beginning or end. But of course the world has a beginning and end! http://www.techtimes.com...no-beginning-no-end.htm Ambitious! It will probably 'never add up'. Adding up is an intelligence function, but intelligence mostly involves excluding. That is, we 'create' dark matter in our activity. Probably when we do nothing we experience everything as it is; but then still 'it doesn't add up' because there's no adding. #RIPmath #RIPscience.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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¿ wrote:tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:Questions are results of our intelligence needs, and so do answers specifically meet these intelligence needs that alas are amenable to change. For example, my proclamation of God as singularity has many assumptions behind it, many probably wrong. Right now my thinking is that mentioning God is likely to create more confusion than clarity in day to day conversation. 'Intelligence' appears to be a better term, and the more I think about it the more I'm awed. Questions like the origin of the universe become insignificant, or even the end. Or even 'purpose'. As I was trying to figure out if the 'big bang' was/is/will be an intelligent event, it occurred to me that probably the universe has no size or form, and neither does it have a beginning or end. But of course the world has a beginning and end! http://www.techtimes.com...no-beginning-no-end.htm Ambitious! It will probably 'never add up'. Adding up is an intelligence function, but intelligence mostly involves excluding. That is, we 'create' dark matter in our activity. Probably when we do nothing we experience everything as it is; but then still 'it doesn't add up' because there's no adding. #RIPmath #RIPscience. Maybe not. Science has value because intelligence is and will remain. Let's RIP to unrealistic expectation and use of science ...
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:Questions are results of our intelligence needs, and so do answers specifically meet these intelligence needs that alas are amenable to change. For example, my proclamation of God as singularity has many assumptions behind it, many probably wrong. Right now my thinking is that mentioning God is likely to create more confusion than clarity in day to day conversation. 'Intelligence' appears to be a better term, and the more I think about it the more I'm awed. Questions like the origin of the universe become insignificant, or even the end. Or even 'purpose'. As I was trying to figure out if the 'big bang' was/is/will be an intelligent event, it occurred to me that probably the universe has no size or form, and neither does it have a beginning or end. But of course the world has a beginning and end! http://www.techtimes.com...no-beginning-no-end.htm Ambitious! It will probably 'never add up'. Adding up is an intelligence function, but intelligence mostly involves excluding. That is, we 'create' dark matter in our activity. Probably when we do nothing we experience everything as it is; but then still 'it doesn't add up' because there's no adding. #RIPmath #RIPscience. Maybe not. Science has value because intelligence is and will remain. Let's RIP to unrealistic expectation and use of science ... Use science to prove that.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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¿ wrote:tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:Questions are results of our intelligence needs, and so do answers specifically meet these intelligence needs that alas are amenable to change. For example, my proclamation of God as singularity has many assumptions behind it, many probably wrong. Right now my thinking is that mentioning God is likely to create more confusion than clarity in day to day conversation. 'Intelligence' appears to be a better term, and the more I think about it the more I'm awed. Questions like the origin of the universe become insignificant, or even the end. Or even 'purpose'. As I was trying to figure out if the 'big bang' was/is/will be an intelligent event, it occurred to me that probably the universe has no size or form, and neither does it have a beginning or end. But of course the world has a beginning and end! http://www.techtimes.com...no-beginning-no-end.htm Ambitious! It will probably 'never add up'. Adding up is an intelligence function, but intelligence mostly involves excluding. That is, we 'create' dark matter in our activity. Probably when we do nothing we experience everything as it is; but then still 'it doesn't add up' because there's no adding. #RIPmath #RIPscience. Maybe not. Science has value because intelligence is and will remain. Let's RIP to unrealistic expectation and use of science ... Use science to prove that. I guess you're asking me to use physical science. Check on the Heisenberg principle or Schroedinger's cat.
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