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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Ask me any question regarding Quran and Islam. I'm not like you who cannot answer questions about their religion, instead they want others to answer for them. The enumerated questions I asked are about you the Muslim and the Law. Anybody with a functional brain and following this knows that I have answered you and even kept repeating and elaborating. But you have evaded answering coz you think I am trapping you. But it's obvious why: you don't really believe in anything written in the Bible, all is just for beautification, you choose what you want and reject what does not suite you, that's Christians for you. And Muslims follow everything in the Law, the prophets, the Injeel(Injili, the gospel of Jesus Christ)! So brother, answer Bible questions. Only a Christian is bound by what is in the Bible. Muslim has the Quran. And the hadiths, and a million Arabic traditionsAnd if you don't know, just say that. Not knowing is not a weakness. For your information: If you want eternal life, then follow the laws. Jesus said that in (Luka 18:18) This is Luka 18:18 ndugu Quote: Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” @lonest, why did you stop at 18? What did Jesus answer in verse 19 and 20 Read Luke 18:18-20 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:According to Imam AlphDoti, all uncircumcised Christians should get the cut to fulfill the Law and make it to heaven.
My question to you Imam Dots is this, since you Waislamu claim you follow the teachings of prophets like Adam, Lot, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, etc(your list, not mine), do you follow the Law of Moses, do you circumcise as Abraham was instructed? Should we force Muslims from non-circumcising communities to get the cut to fulfill the Law?? My friend @lonest do not read people's posts! The answer, the Muslim perspective is already here As for you being a Christian, you better start believing in the Torah, otherwise come out straight and say you detest the Old Testament you should remove it from the Bible!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,331 Location: Masada
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Lolest! wrote:According to Imam AlphDoti, all uncircumcised Christians should get the cut to fulfill the Law and make it to heaven.
My question to you Imam Dots is this, since you Waislamu claim you follow the teachings of prophets like Adam, Lot, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, etc(your list, not mine), do you follow the Law of Moses, do you circumcise as Abraham was instructed? Should we force Muslims from non-circumcising communities to get the cut to fulfill the Law??
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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This is your post??What about prophets and Muslims being keen to follow the patriachs from Adam, Abraham... AlphDoti wrote:Just for the record, as far I am concerned (from religious perspective), FGM is permissible BUT not a MUST. If there is any harm in female circumcision then it can even be BANNED (and I support) because it has been proven by scientific and medically proven that the way it is done is harmful to the health of the girl child.
And similarly, the male circumcision is not a MUST but is RECOMMENDED. For the male, there is no scientific and medical harm to male circumcision. All we hear is that oh it is painful, or oh it is risky, or oh it is deforming, or oh it is sexually diminishing, or oh there is no health benefits.
But we know it is hygienic. All those men who are not circumcised smell in the hand after visiting the toilet and forgot to wash their hand after holding a bare "head". You need to borrow leave from Muslims and clean yourself to avoid urine droplets remaining inside the sac and causing irritation and becoming smelly from the body heat. This sometimes leads to infection...
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Ask me any question regarding Quran and Islam. I'm not like you who cannot answer questions about their religion, instead they want others to answer for them. The enumerated questions I asked are about you the Muslim and the Law. Anybody with a functional brain and following this knows that I have answered you and even kept repeating and elaborating. But you have evaded answering coz you think I am trapping you. But it's obvious why: you don't really believe in anything written in the Bible, all is just for beautification, you choose what you want and reject what does not suite you, that's Christians for you. And Muslims follow everything in the Law, the prophets, the Injeel(Injili, the gospel of Jesus Christ)! So brother, answer Bible questions. Only a Christian is bound by what is in the Bible. Muslim has the Quran. And the hadiths, and a million Arabic traditionsAnd if you don't know, just say that. Not knowing is not a weakness. For your information: If you want eternal life, then follow the laws. Jesus said that in (Luka 18:18) This is Luka 18:18 ndugu Quote: Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” @lonest, why did you stop at 18? What did Jesus answer in verse 19 and 20 Read Luke 18:18-20 It does not deny that Jesus was God infact it reinforces it. Why do you call me good? There is no one good but God. (So if you call me good, you are confirming I am God).
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Ask me any question regarding Quran and Islam. I'm not like you who cannot answer questions about their religion, instead they want others to answer for them. The enumerated questions I asked are about you the Muslim and the Law. Anybody with a functional brain and following this knows that I have answered you and even kept repeating and elaborating. But you have evaded answering coz you think I am trapping you. But it's obvious why: you don't really believe in anything written in the Bible, all is just for beautification, you choose what you want and reject what does not suite you, that's Christians for you. And Muslims follow everything in the Law, the prophets, the Injeel(Injili, the gospel of Jesus Christ)! So brother, answer Bible questions. Only a Christian is bound by what is in the Bible. Muslim has the Quran. And the hadiths, and a million Arabic traditionsAnd if you don't know, just say that. Not knowing is not a weakness. For your information: If you want eternal life, then follow the laws. Jesus said that in (Luka 18:18) This is Luka 18:18 ndugu Quote: Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” @lonest, why did you stop at 18? What did Jesus answer in verse 19 and 20 Read Luke 18:18-20 You can clearly see my point from this portion also!! Your good acts are not good enough. That guy had done all the good he could have The most important part is this v22 Quote:22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Ask me any question regarding Quran and Islam. I'm not like you who cannot answer questions about their religion, instead they want others to answer for them. The enumerated questions I asked are about you the Muslim and the Law. Anybody with a functional brain and following this knows that I have answered you and even kept repeating and elaborating. But you have evaded answering coz you think I am trapping you. But it's obvious why: you don't really believe in anything written in the Bible, all is just for beautification, you choose what you want and reject what does not suite you, that's Christians for you. And Muslims follow everything in the Law, the prophets, the Injeel(Injili, the gospel of Jesus Christ)! So brother, answer Bible questions. Only a Christian is bound by what is in the Bible. Muslim has the Quran. And the hadiths, and a million Arabic traditionsAnd if you don't know, just say that. Not knowing is not a weakness. For your information: If you want eternal life, then follow the laws. Jesus said that in (Luka 18:18) This is Luka 18:18 ndugu Quote: Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” @lonest, why did you stop at 18? What did Jesus answer in verse 19 and 20 Read Luke 18:18-20 You can clearly see my point from this portion also!! Your good acts are not good enough. That guy had done all the good he could have The most important part is this v22 Quote:22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me. The verses you are so afraid to post: Luke 18:18-20 18 "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" 19 Jesus responded thus, "Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “ No one is good—except God alone" 20 You know the commandmentsThat is how to inherit the eternal life. That is why Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) stated very, very clearly in Matthew 5:17-20 that: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:This is your post??What about prophets and Muslims being keen to follow the patriachs from Adam, Abraham... AlphDoti wrote:Just for the record, as far I am concerned (from religious perspective), FGM is permissible BUT not a MUST. If there is any harm in female circumcision then it can even be BANNED (and I support) because it has been proven by scientific and medically proven that the way it is done is harmful to the health of the girl child.
And similarly, the male circumcision is not a MUST but is RECOMMENDED. For the male, there is no scientific and medical harm to male circumcision. All we hear is that oh it is painful, or oh it is risky, or oh it is deforming, or oh it is sexually diminishing, or oh there is no health benefits.
But we know it is hygienic. All those men who are not circumcised smell in the hand after visiting the toilet and forgot to wash their hand after holding a bare "head". You need to borrow leave from Muslims and clean yourself to avoid urine droplets remaining inside the sac and causing irritation and becoming smelly from the body heat. This sometimes leads to infection... @lonest, all prophets from Adam to Muhammad (peace be with them all), were sent with the same message: that is, the total submission of mankind to Allah (Almighty God). None of them contradicted the other. It is Saul aka Paul who came and changed the message of Jesus (peace be upon him).
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote:
Luke 18:18-20
18 "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
19 Jesus responded thus, "Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone"
20 You know the commandments
That is how to inherit the eternal life.
OK so now copy pasting is the in thing! Bible is available kwa net. Even Qur'an. So why does v 18-20 not end the story. If keeping the commands was all required, why did Jesus not commend the man?
In Context: Quote:The Rich and the Kingdom of God
18 A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
19 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 20 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.’[a]”
21 “All these I have kept since I was a boy,” he said.
22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
23 When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was very wealthy. 24 Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! 25 Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
26 Those who heard this asked, “Who then can be saved?”
27 Jesus replied, “What is impossible with man is possible with God.”
28 Peter said to him, “We have left all we had to follow you!”
29 “Truly I tell you,” Jesus said to them, “no one who has left home or wife or brothers or sisters or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God 30 will fail to receive many times as much in this age, and in the age to come eternal life.”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:This is your post??What about prophets and Muslims being keen to follow the patriachs from Adam, Abraham... AlphDoti wrote:Just for the record, as far I am concerned (from religious perspective), FGM is permissible BUT not a MUST. If there is any harm in female circumcision then it can even be BANNED (and I support) because it has been proven by scientific and medically proven that the way it is done is harmful to the health of the girl child.
And similarly, the male circumcision is not a MUST but is RECOMMENDED. For the male, there is no scientific and medical harm to male circumcision. All we hear is that oh it is painful, or oh it is risky, or oh it is deforming, or oh it is sexually diminishing, or oh there is no health benefits.
But we know it is hygienic. All those men who are not circumcised smell in the hand after visiting the toilet and forgot to wash their hand after holding a bare "head". You need to borrow leave from Muslims and clean yourself to avoid urine droplets remaining inside the sac and causing irritation and becoming smelly from the body heat. This sometimes leads to infection... @lonest, all prophets from Adam to Muhammad (peace be with them all), were sent with the same message: that is, the total submission of mankind to Allah (Almighty God). None of them contradicted the other. Provide references pleease. So if they said circumcise, we should all circumcise, sindio?? It ceases being a 'recommendation'??It is Saul aka Paul who came and changed the message of Jesus (peace be upon him). Muhammad told people to face Mecca. Which other prophet made people worship facing the ka'aba?? You are the master of The art of being evasive 
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