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AlphDoti wrote:Impunity wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:it's a move in the nordic countries. The question of why one would mutilate their 8 day old child is still unanswered. What if the kid does not follow your religion? what if he feels 'robbed'? lol... interesting days ahead. @mavegs, read your book. Luke 2:21 "And at the end of eight days, when he was circumcised, he was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before he was conceived in the womb." The covenant of circumcisionGenesis 17:7 God Said to Abraham "And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your descendants ...for an everlasting covenant" Genesis 17:9 And God said to Abraham, "... you shall keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations" What was the covenant?Genesis 17:13 And God said to Abraham, "both he that is born in your house and he that is bought with your money, shall be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant." What happens if you don't get circumcised?Genesis 17:14 "Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.” as usual - you are missing the point!! I gave you the "why" and corrected your malice and blind attack of the 8 days. So how is that missing the point? Please hii isikuwe another religious war...between Christian and Muslims nani mnoma. If Jesus (PBUH) was cut at 8 days and Mohaa (PBUH) was cut at 80 years, so be it; let us accept and go back to the main debate. @impunity, you're mixing up yourself. It was Abraham (pbuh) who was circumcised at 80. NOTE: Let me make it clear that circumcision does not prevent you from being a best person you can be in any aspect of life i.e. marriage, career, leadership, etc. This an optional thing. Gosh! I didnt even know Abraham was cut at 80! Peace Be Upon Him.  Portfolio: Sold
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Impunity wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Impunity wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:it's a move in the nordic countries. The question of why one would mutilate their 8 day old child is still unanswered. What if the kid does not follow your religion? what if he feels 'robbed'? lol... interesting days ahead. @mavegs, read your book. Luke 2:21 "And at the end of eight days, when he was circumcised, he was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before he was conceived in the womb." The covenant of circumcisionGenesis 17:7 God Said to Abraham "And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your descendants ...for an everlasting covenant" Genesis 17:9 And God said to Abraham, "... you shall keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations" What was the covenant?Genesis 17:13 And God said to Abraham, "both he that is born in your house and he that is bought with your money, shall be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant." What happens if you don't get circumcised?Genesis 17:14 "Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.” as usual - you are missing the point!! I gave you the "why" and corrected your malice and blind attack of the 8 days. So how is that missing the point? Please hii isikuwe another religious war...between Christian and Muslims nani mnoma. If Jesus (PBUH) was cut at 8 days and Mohaa (PBUH) was cut at 80 years, so be it; let us accept and go back to the main debate. @impunity, you're mixing up yourself. It was Abraham (pbuh) who was circumcised at 80. NOTE: Let me make it clear that circumcision does not prevent you from being a best person you can be in any aspect of life i.e. marriage, career, leadership, etc. This an optional thing. Gosh! I didnt even know Abraham was cut at 80! Peace Be Upon Him. more like pain be upon him
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Ngogoyo wrote:Impunity wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Impunity wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:it's a move in the nordic countries. The question of why one would mutilate their 8 day old child is still unanswered. What if the kid does not follow your religion? what if he feels 'robbed'? lol... interesting days ahead. @mavegs, read your book. Luke 2:21 "And at the end of eight days, when he was circumcised, he was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before he was conceived in the womb." The covenant of circumcisionGenesis 17:7 God Said to Abraham "And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your descendants ...for an everlasting covenant" Genesis 17:9 And God said to Abraham, "... you shall keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations" What was the covenant?Genesis 17:13 And God said to Abraham, "both he that is born in your house and he that is bought with your money, shall be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant." What happens if you don't get circumcised?Genesis 17:14 "Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.” as usual - you are missing the point!! I gave you the "why" and corrected your malice and blind attack of the 8 days. So how is that missing the point? Please hii isikuwe another religious war...between Christian and Muslims nani mnoma. If Jesus (PBUH) was cut at 8 days and Mohaa (PBUH) was cut at 80 years, so be it; let us accept and go back to the main debate. @impunity, you're mixing up yourself. It was Abraham (pbuh) who was circumcised at 80. NOTE: Let me make it clear that circumcision does not prevent you from being a best person you can be in any aspect of life i.e. marriage, career, leadership, etc. This an optional thing. Gosh! I didnt even know Abraham was cut at 80! Peace Be Upon Him. more like pain be upon him i guess he stopped smelling his hands after that  All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Ngogoyo wrote:Impunity wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Impunity wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:it's a move in the nordic countries. The question of why one would mutilate their 8 day old child is still unanswered. What if the kid does not follow your religion? what if he feels 'robbed'? lol... interesting days ahead. @mavegs, read your book. Luke 2:21 "And at the end of eight days, when he was circumcised, he was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before he was conceived in the womb." The covenant of circumcisionGenesis 17:7 God Said to Abraham "And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your descendants ...for an everlasting covenant" Genesis 17:9 And God said to Abraham, "... you shall keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations" What was the covenant?Genesis 17:13 And God said to Abraham, "both he that is born in your house and he that is bought with your money, shall be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant." What happens if you don't get circumcised?Genesis 17:14 "Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.” as usual - you are missing the point!! I gave you the "why" and corrected your malice and blind attack of the 8 days. So how is that missing the point? Please hii isikuwe another religious war...between Christian and Muslims nani mnoma. If Jesus (PBUH) was cut at 8 days and Mohaa (PBUH) was cut at 80 years, so be it; let us accept and go back to the main debate. @impunity, you're mixing up yourself. It was Abraham (pbuh) who was circumcised at 80. NOTE: Let me make it clear that circumcision does not prevent you from being a best person you can be in any aspect of life i.e. marriage, career, leadership, etc. This an optional thing. Gosh! I didnt even know Abraham was cut at 80! Peace Be Upon Him. more like pain be upon him PBUH
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AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
I gave you the "why" and corrected your malice and blind attack of the 8 days. So how is that missing the point?
P.S this is what I wrote Quote:The question of why one would mutilate their 8 day old child is still unanswered. What if the kid does not follow your religion? what if he feels 'robbed'? lol... interesting days ahead. If you read it carefully I was relaying the questions raised by persons in the nordic countries. P.S. the whole debate is a debate of health not of religion? it's very clear that most Abrahamic religions require one to (for lack of a better phrase) "nip it in the bud" . That is not in debate... The debate is why the child has to lose it then get informed just why it was done for his benefit later?? So if we had some text that said everyone loses a toe when they are young and get informed just why it was important for them to lose the toe when they were kids "for their benefit" coz of a covenant that was given to Jews, Samaritans and Arabs. What if he wants it back? it's not like wearing an odd shaped hat that one day you can opt out off - it's loss of a part of your body. Christians don't really practice it "religiously" coz i guess it's in the same reason we don't leave the farm fallow on the seventh year or still do some of the 39 things out lawed things on Sabbath. Then remove the 8th day from your equation, because that is Abrahamic. I will not remove it simply because majority of the worlds circumcised males were circumcised on the 8th day! and as demonstrated - it's not always in obedience to the ritual required by SOME abrahamic religions - Christians don't care! they haven't cared for a while. anyway... back to topic... it's an optional surgical procedure that is meted upon an infant - all so called health "benefits" can be achieved in some other way and in a much more guaranteed manner - without surgery. Genesis 17:13 And God said to Abraham, "both he that is born in your house and he that is bought with your money, shall be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant." I am asking for beshte yangu: Are the African Nyeuthis descendant of Abraham? Abraham was Jewish-white, while Pokots are soot-black, does the law apply to them? Were they born in the house of Abraham (PBUH). Portfolio: Sold
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Impunity wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
I gave you the "why" and corrected your malice and blind attack of the 8 days. So how is that missing the point?
P.S this is what I wrote Quote:The question of why one would mutilate their 8 day old child is still unanswered. What if the kid does not follow your religion? what if he feels 'robbed'? lol... interesting days ahead. If you read it carefully I was relaying the questions raised by persons in the nordic countries. P.S. the whole debate is a debate of health not of religion? it's very clear that most Abrahamic religions require one to (for lack of a better phrase) "nip it in the bud" . That is not in debate... The debate is why the child has to lose it then get informed just why it was done for his benefit later?? So if we had some text that said everyone loses a toe when they are young and get informed just why it was important for them to lose the toe when they were kids "for their benefit" coz of a covenant that was given to Jews, Samaritans and Arabs. What if he wants it back? it's not like wearing an odd shaped hat that one day you can opt out off - it's loss of a part of your body. Christians don't really practice it "religiously" coz i guess it's in the same reason we don't leave the farm fallow on the seventh year or still do some of the 39 things out lawed things on Sabbath. Then remove the 8th day from your equation, because that is Abrahamic. I will not remove it simply because majority of the worlds circumcised males were circumcised on the 8th day! and as demonstrated - it's not always in obedience to the ritual required by SOME abrahamic religions - Christians don't care! they haven't cared for a while. anyway... back to topic... it's an optional surgical procedure that is meted upon an infant - all so called health "benefits" can be achieved in some other way and in a much more guaranteed manner - without surgery. Genesis 17:13 And God said to Abraham, "both he that is born in your house and he that is bought with your money, shall be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant." I am asking for beshte yangu: Are the African Nyeuthis descendant of Abraham? Abraham was Jewish-white, while Pokots are soot-black, does the law apply to them? Were they born in the house of Abraham (PBUH). Quote:Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
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Lolest! wrote:Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. @lonest, your "God of Christians" (God forbids) Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) was circumcised on the 8th day (Luke 2:21). The same "God of Christians" (God forbids), Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) stated very, very clearly in Matthew 5:17-20 that: " Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." So has heaven and the earth disappeared? Of course, not! So why have the Christians disobeyed the law of God? You're following the Christian slayer Saul aka Paul.
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Impunity wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
I gave you the "why" and corrected your malice and blind attack of the 8 days. So how is that missing the point?
P.S this is what I wrote Quote:The question of why one would mutilate their 8 day old child is still unanswered. What if the kid does not follow your religion? what if he feels 'robbed'? lol... interesting days ahead. If you read it carefully I was relaying the questions raised by persons in the nordic countries. P.S. the whole debate is a debate of health not of religion? it's very clear that most Abrahamic religions require one to (for lack of a better phrase) "nip it in the bud" . That is not in debate... The debate is why the child has to lose it then get informed just why it was done for his benefit later?? So if we had some text that said everyone loses a toe when they are young and get informed just why it was important for them to lose the toe when they were kids "for their benefit" coz of a covenant that was given to Jews, Samaritans and Arabs. What if he wants it back? it's not like wearing an odd shaped hat that one day you can opt out off - it's loss of a part of your body. Christians don't really practice it "religiously" coz i guess it's in the same reason we don't leave the farm fallow on the seventh year or still do some of the 39 things out lawed things on Sabbath. Then remove the 8th day from your equation, because that is Abrahamic. I will not remove it simply because majority of the worlds circumcised males were circumcised on the 8th day! and as demonstrated - it's not always in obedience to the ritual required by SOME abrahamic religions - Christians don't care! they haven't cared for a while. anyway... back to topic... it's an optional surgical procedure that is meted upon an infant - all so called health "benefits" can be achieved in some other way and in a much more guaranteed manner - without surgery. Genesis 17:13 And God said to Abraham, "both he that is born in your house and he that is bought with your money, shall be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant." I am asking for beshte yangu: Are the African Nyeuthis descendant of Abraham? Abraham was Jewish-white, while Pokots are soot-black, does the law apply to them? Were they born in the house of Abraham (PBUH). @impunity, this is in terms of faith. You see Christians and Muslims descended from the same father of faith: Abraham. So any religious acts by Abraham is covenant to all who ascribe to that faith, including "Nyeuthis".
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Everyone wants to be a Jew... or an Arab... I saw some liberian posting saying "Liberia is the 'Israel' of Africa"... a thought I chuckled at... but made me think closer home - I know some ethnic groups in Kenya think they are the lost "tribe" of israel and some consider themselves very similar to Jews in tabias. The only problem is that while everyone is trying to be Jewish... what are Jews doing? or in Alphs case - Arabs. What are they doing? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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P.s Abraham if he ever existed would not be what we would call "white" as in the present day Jews. If real jesus based on what we know now would look something like this  then Abraham would look something like that as well All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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When did African tribes/cultures start the circumcision rituals? Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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Othelo wrote:When did African ethnic groups/cultures start the circumcision rituals? you would be surprised to know that some of the people who insult others have not done it for that long - less than 300 years if you ask me. The kikuyu got it from the maasai. who inturn must have picked it from the cushites. If you study the map of Africa and prevalence of circumcision you will realise something interesting that as you head south it becomes rarer.  All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Othelo wrote:AlphDoti wrote:kysse wrote:By a show of hands... @kysse, what do you mean? Be specific... My hand is down ........ next.. Alpha I am doing research to be aired on njata.Support by a show of hand.
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kysse wrote:Othelo wrote:AlphDoti wrote:kysse wrote:By a show of hands... @kysse, what do you mean? Be specific... My hand is down ........ next.. Alpha I am doing research to be aired on njata.Support by a show of hand. Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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masukuma wrote:Everyone wants to be a Jew... or an Arab... I saw some liberian posting saying "Liberia is the 'Israel' of Africa"... a thought I chuckled at... but made me think closer home - I know some ethnic groups in Kenya think they are the lost "tribe" of israel and some consider themselves very similar to Jews in tabias. The only problem is that while everyone is trying to be Jewish... what are Jews doing? or in Alphs case - Arabs. What are they doing? @masukums, you are not so bad off, but only one misconception you still have. Please as an intellectual, note that an Arab is a person who speaks Arabic as his or her native language, and only about 18% of Muslims in the world are Arabs. Millions of Arabs are Christians! Islam is not Arab religion. Islam means total submission to the Will of God. And Abraham was neither a Jew nor Arab. It started from Abraham. So correct that misconception bro. And Christianity is not a Jewish religion. 
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kysse wrote:Othelo wrote:AlphDoti wrote:kysse wrote:By a show of hands... @kysse, what do you mean? Be specific... My hand is down ........ next.. Alpha I am doing research to be aired on njata.Support by a show of hand. What research are you doing @kysse? How can we help you?
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masukuma wrote:P.s Abraham if he ever existed would not be what we would call "white" as in the present day Jews. If real jesus based on what we know now would look something like this then Abraham would look something like that as well Interesting, this is the first thing I'm agreeing with you in this thread... Let me post it from scientific point of view. You cannot destroy matter: 1. Is it logical to say that everything that was designed is produced by a designer? 2. Melanin is responsible for skin colour, hence the dark skin. 3. Melanin play a role in skin protection. 4. Did melanin come from nowhere? Were they created from nothing? 5. Did melanin create itself? 6. Of course it was not from nothing 'No'-thing cannot produce 'some'-thing. You must have something to produce something. So did melanin just came up from nowhere along the lifetime of living thing (human)? Of course no. 7. So did melanin create itself? Is it possible for melanin to create itself? No way, because to create itself, it has not to exist. But if it didn't exist, how could it create itself? 8. Remember you cannot create something from nothing. Then it means something created it. 9. Is it possible that melanin was part of the component at the point of BIG BANG (creation for the religious folks)? 10. So if there ever was a "first man Adam", then he would most likely have had black skin. 11. So does it mean black skin is the ancestral trait for human skin and lighter skin evolved afterward in certain lineages after mutation?
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Swenani wrote:kysse wrote:Othelo wrote:AlphDoti wrote:kysse wrote:By a show of hands... @kysse, what do you mean? Be specific... My hand is down ........ next.. Alpha I am doing research to be aired on njata.Support by a show of hand. Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kysse! Kwani vaseline haikuyeyuka vizuri? You milking self over @kysse picture.  Portfolio: Sold
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AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:P.s Abraham if he ever existed would not be what we would call "white" as in the present day Jews. If real jesus based on what we know now would look something like this then Abraham would look something like that as well Interesting, this is the first thing I'm agreeing with you in this thread... Let me post it from scientific point of view. You cannot destroy matter: 1. Is it logical to say that everything that was designed is produced by a designer? 2. Melanin is responsible for skin colour, hence the dark skin. 3. Melanin play a role in skin protection. 4. Did melanin come from nowhere? Were they created from nothing? 5. Did melanin create itself? 6. Of course it was not from nothing 'No'-thing cannot produce 'some'-thing. You must have something to produce something. So did melanin just came up from nowhere along the lifetime of living thing (human)? Of course no. 7. So did melanin create itself? Is it possible for melanin to create itself? No way, because to create itself, it has not to exist. But if it didn't exist, how could it create itself? 8. Remember you cannot create something from nothing. Then it means something created it. 9. Is it possible that melanin was part of the component at the point of BIG BANG (creation for the religious folks)? 10. So if there ever was a "first man Adam", then he would most likely have had black skin. 11. So does it mean black skin is the ancestral trait for human skin and lighter skin evolved afterward in certain lineages after mutation? everything is a mutation boss.... some mutations give advantages some don't! Black skin is the original mutation. White skin is not even 10k years old. Blue eyes - a mutation. Red hair? Blonde Hair? everything is a mutation. Including hair itself. Heck even legs are mutations. DNA mutates every so often and if the mutation is disadvantageous based on conditions - it dies off... it does not get to propergate so only the useful mutations (or innate) get to go on. For example the blindspot in our eyes - somehow has been passed on. A mutation in the pituitary gland of the pygmies of central africa enabled them to withstand parasites of the dense forest but it comes with the unwanted characteristic of growth inhibition - those who didn't have it died... those who had it - lived... but as short people. this has played out over and over and over again. That is why lame people are/were a spectacle... if the condition was caused by a genetic defect and society shunned them - it never spread. Naked apes living in the tropics would have needed to have Melanin to survive, skin cancers e.t.c - those that didn't died! Naked apes living with Melanin somewhere north would have a disadvantage - little vitamin D systhensis. Having narrow eyes during an ice age gives you advantages over those who don't die off. it also happens that decendants of these people have similar eyes - look at the American indian  All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. @lonest, your "God of Christians" (God forbids) Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) was circumcised on the 8th day (Luke 2:21). The same "God of Christians" (God forbids), Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) stated very, very clearly in Matthew 5:17-20 that: " Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." So has heaven and the earth disappeared? Of course, not! So why have the Christians disobeyed the law of God? You're following the Christian slayer Saul aka Paul. On Mtt 5, we have discussed before. Jesus Christ is the fulfilment of the law and the prophets. We no longer do things like sacrifice to appease God or to show thanksgiving. He takes you away from just bragging about how you keep the law and actually enhances it. You say you have never commited adultery? Have you looked at a woman lustfully? Then you have committed adultery! Similarly you are a murderer not because you killed but even if you are angry with your brother you are guilty of murder! Here comes Jesus, making the law even seem harder. If you are guilty of adultery, you are liable to death by stoning, right? But, in referring to the mode of worship where the temple was revered and was the appointed place of worship, he tells the Samaritan woman: ‘Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. . . . But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth.’ Then about food, clean and unclean he points out:(Mark 7) “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21 For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.” Do you see an interest in the heart of man? Not outward deeds only but the heart of man. Because the heart of the problem is always a problem of the heart! The Law could not legislate against issues in a man's heart. And God is always interested in the heart. Not outward appearances and deeds About the Sabbath: The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.” (Matt 12:8) Christians should not be burdened with what Jesus already fulfilled. Whoever wants to keep the law should keep the whole of it; even sacrificing animals to God!
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