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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,331 Location: Masada
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AlphDoti wrote:Impunity wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:it's a move in the nordic countries. The question of why one would mutilate their 8 day old child is still unanswered. What if the kid does not follow your religion? what if he feels 'robbed'? lol... interesting days ahead. @mavegs, read your book. Luke 2:21 "And at the end of eight days, when he was circumcised, he was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before he was conceived in the womb." The covenant of circumcisionGenesis 17:7 God Said to Abraham "And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your descendants ...for an everlasting covenant" Genesis 17:9 And God said to Abraham, "... you shall keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations" What was the covenant?Genesis 17:13 And God said to Abraham, "both he that is born in your house and he that is bought with your money, shall be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant." What happens if you don't get circumcised?Genesis 17:14 "Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.” as usual - you are missing the point!! I gave you the "why" and corrected your malice and blind attack of the 8 days. So how is that missing the point? Please hii isikuwe another religious war...between Christian and Muslims nani mnoma. If Jesus (PBUH) was cut at 8 days and Mohaa (PBUH) was cut at 80 years, so be it; let us accept and go back to the main debate. @impunity, you're mixing up yourself. It was Abraham (pbuh) who was circumcised at 80. NOTE: Let me make it clear that circumcision does not prevent you from being a best person you can be in any aspect of life i.e. marriage, career, leadership, etc. This an optional thing. Gosh! I didnt even know Abraham was cut at 80! Peace Be Upon Him.  Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/22/2011 Posts: 561 Location: House
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Impunity wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Impunity wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:it's a move in the nordic countries. The question of why one would mutilate their 8 day old child is still unanswered. What if the kid does not follow your religion? what if he feels 'robbed'? lol... interesting days ahead. @mavegs, read your book. Luke 2:21 "And at the end of eight days, when he was circumcised, he was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before he was conceived in the womb." The covenant of circumcisionGenesis 17:7 God Said to Abraham "And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your descendants ...for an everlasting covenant" Genesis 17:9 And God said to Abraham, "... you shall keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations" What was the covenant?Genesis 17:13 And God said to Abraham, "both he that is born in your house and he that is bought with your money, shall be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant." What happens if you don't get circumcised?Genesis 17:14 "Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.” as usual - you are missing the point!! I gave you the "why" and corrected your malice and blind attack of the 8 days. So how is that missing the point? Please hii isikuwe another religious war...between Christian and Muslims nani mnoma. If Jesus (PBUH) was cut at 8 days and Mohaa (PBUH) was cut at 80 years, so be it; let us accept and go back to the main debate. @impunity, you're mixing up yourself. It was Abraham (pbuh) who was circumcised at 80. NOTE: Let me make it clear that circumcision does not prevent you from being a best person you can be in any aspect of life i.e. marriage, career, leadership, etc. This an optional thing. Gosh! I didnt even know Abraham was cut at 80! Peace Be Upon Him. more like pain be upon him
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Ngogoyo wrote:Impunity wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Impunity wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:it's a move in the nordic countries. The question of why one would mutilate their 8 day old child is still unanswered. What if the kid does not follow your religion? what if he feels 'robbed'? lol... interesting days ahead. @mavegs, read your book. Luke 2:21 "And at the end of eight days, when he was circumcised, he was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before he was conceived in the womb." The covenant of circumcisionGenesis 17:7 God Said to Abraham "And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your descendants ...for an everlasting covenant" Genesis 17:9 And God said to Abraham, "... you shall keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations" What was the covenant?Genesis 17:13 And God said to Abraham, "both he that is born in your house and he that is bought with your money, shall be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant." What happens if you don't get circumcised?Genesis 17:14 "Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.” as usual - you are missing the point!! I gave you the "why" and corrected your malice and blind attack of the 8 days. So how is that missing the point? Please hii isikuwe another religious war...between Christian and Muslims nani mnoma. If Jesus (PBUH) was cut at 8 days and Mohaa (PBUH) was cut at 80 years, so be it; let us accept and go back to the main debate. @impunity, you're mixing up yourself. It was Abraham (pbuh) who was circumcised at 80. NOTE: Let me make it clear that circumcision does not prevent you from being a best person you can be in any aspect of life i.e. marriage, career, leadership, etc. This an optional thing. Gosh! I didnt even know Abraham was cut at 80! Peace Be Upon Him. more like pain be upon him i guess he stopped smelling his hands after that  All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Ngogoyo wrote:Impunity wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Impunity wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:it's a move in the nordic countries. The question of why one would mutilate their 8 day old child is still unanswered. What if the kid does not follow your religion? what if he feels 'robbed'? lol... interesting days ahead. @mavegs, read your book. Luke 2:21 "And at the end of eight days, when he was circumcised, he was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before he was conceived in the womb." The covenant of circumcisionGenesis 17:7 God Said to Abraham "And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your descendants ...for an everlasting covenant" Genesis 17:9 And God said to Abraham, "... you shall keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations" What was the covenant?Genesis 17:13 And God said to Abraham, "both he that is born in your house and he that is bought with your money, shall be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant." What happens if you don't get circumcised?Genesis 17:14 "Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.” as usual - you are missing the point!! I gave you the "why" and corrected your malice and blind attack of the 8 days. So how is that missing the point? Please hii isikuwe another religious war...between Christian and Muslims nani mnoma. If Jesus (PBUH) was cut at 8 days and Mohaa (PBUH) was cut at 80 years, so be it; let us accept and go back to the main debate. @impunity, you're mixing up yourself. It was Abraham (pbuh) who was circumcised at 80. NOTE: Let me make it clear that circumcision does not prevent you from being a best person you can be in any aspect of life i.e. marriage, career, leadership, etc. This an optional thing. Gosh! I didnt even know Abraham was cut at 80! Peace Be Upon Him. more like pain be upon him PBUH
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,331 Location: Masada
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AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
I gave you the "why" and corrected your malice and blind attack of the 8 days. So how is that missing the point?
P.S this is what I wrote Quote:The question of why one would mutilate their 8 day old child is still unanswered. What if the kid does not follow your religion? what if he feels 'robbed'? lol... interesting days ahead. If you read it carefully I was relaying the questions raised by persons in the nordic countries. P.S. the whole debate is a debate of health not of religion? it's very clear that most Abrahamic religions require one to (for lack of a better phrase) "nip it in the bud" . That is not in debate... The debate is why the child has to lose it then get informed just why it was done for his benefit later?? So if we had some text that said everyone loses a toe when they are young and get informed just why it was important for them to lose the toe when they were kids "for their benefit" coz of a covenant that was given to Jews, Samaritans and Arabs. What if he wants it back? it's not like wearing an odd shaped hat that one day you can opt out off - it's loss of a part of your body. Christians don't really practice it "religiously" coz i guess it's in the same reason we don't leave the farm fallow on the seventh year or still do some of the 39 things out lawed things on Sabbath. Then remove the 8th day from your equation, because that is Abrahamic. I will not remove it simply because majority of the worlds circumcised males were circumcised on the 8th day! and as demonstrated - it's not always in obedience to the ritual required by SOME abrahamic religions - Christians don't care! they haven't cared for a while. anyway... back to topic... it's an optional surgical procedure that is meted upon an infant - all so called health "benefits" can be achieved in some other way and in a much more guaranteed manner - without surgery. Genesis 17:13 And God said to Abraham, "both he that is born in your house and he that is bought with your money, shall be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant." I am asking for beshte yangu: Are the African Nyeuthis descendant of Abraham? Abraham was Jewish-white, while Pokots are soot-black, does the law apply to them? Were they born in the house of Abraham (PBUH). Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Impunity wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
I gave you the "why" and corrected your malice and blind attack of the 8 days. So how is that missing the point?
P.S this is what I wrote Quote:The question of why one would mutilate their 8 day old child is still unanswered. What if the kid does not follow your religion? what if he feels 'robbed'? lol... interesting days ahead. If you read it carefully I was relaying the questions raised by persons in the nordic countries. P.S. the whole debate is a debate of health not of religion? it's very clear that most Abrahamic religions require one to (for lack of a better phrase) "nip it in the bud" . That is not in debate... The debate is why the child has to lose it then get informed just why it was done for his benefit later?? So if we had some text that said everyone loses a toe when they are young and get informed just why it was important for them to lose the toe when they were kids "for their benefit" coz of a covenant that was given to Jews, Samaritans and Arabs. What if he wants it back? it's not like wearing an odd shaped hat that one day you can opt out off - it's loss of a part of your body. Christians don't really practice it "religiously" coz i guess it's in the same reason we don't leave the farm fallow on the seventh year or still do some of the 39 things out lawed things on Sabbath. Then remove the 8th day from your equation, because that is Abrahamic. I will not remove it simply because majority of the worlds circumcised males were circumcised on the 8th day! and as demonstrated - it's not always in obedience to the ritual required by SOME abrahamic religions - Christians don't care! they haven't cared for a while. anyway... back to topic... it's an optional surgical procedure that is meted upon an infant - all so called health "benefits" can be achieved in some other way and in a much more guaranteed manner - without surgery. Genesis 17:13 And God said to Abraham, "both he that is born in your house and he that is bought with your money, shall be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant." I am asking for beshte yangu: Are the African Nyeuthis descendant of Abraham? Abraham was Jewish-white, while Pokots are soot-black, does the law apply to them? Were they born in the house of Abraham (PBUH). Quote:Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. @lonest, your "God of Christians" (God forbids) Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) was circumcised on the 8th day (Luke 2:21). The same "God of Christians" (God forbids), Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) stated very, very clearly in Matthew 5:17-20 that: " Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." So has heaven and the earth disappeared? Of course, not! So why have the Christians disobeyed the law of God? You're following the Christian slayer Saul aka Paul.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Impunity wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
I gave you the "why" and corrected your malice and blind attack of the 8 days. So how is that missing the point?
P.S this is what I wrote Quote:The question of why one would mutilate their 8 day old child is still unanswered. What if the kid does not follow your religion? what if he feels 'robbed'? lol... interesting days ahead. If you read it carefully I was relaying the questions raised by persons in the nordic countries. P.S. the whole debate is a debate of health not of religion? it's very clear that most Abrahamic religions require one to (for lack of a better phrase) "nip it in the bud" . That is not in debate... The debate is why the child has to lose it then get informed just why it was done for his benefit later?? So if we had some text that said everyone loses a toe when they are young and get informed just why it was important for them to lose the toe when they were kids "for their benefit" coz of a covenant that was given to Jews, Samaritans and Arabs. What if he wants it back? it's not like wearing an odd shaped hat that one day you can opt out off - it's loss of a part of your body. Christians don't really practice it "religiously" coz i guess it's in the same reason we don't leave the farm fallow on the seventh year or still do some of the 39 things out lawed things on Sabbath. Then remove the 8th day from your equation, because that is Abrahamic. I will not remove it simply because majority of the worlds circumcised males were circumcised on the 8th day! and as demonstrated - it's not always in obedience to the ritual required by SOME abrahamic religions - Christians don't care! they haven't cared for a while. anyway... back to topic... it's an optional surgical procedure that is meted upon an infant - all so called health "benefits" can be achieved in some other way and in a much more guaranteed manner - without surgery. Genesis 17:13 And God said to Abraham, "both he that is born in your house and he that is bought with your money, shall be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant." I am asking for beshte yangu: Are the African Nyeuthis descendant of Abraham? Abraham was Jewish-white, while Pokots are soot-black, does the law apply to them? Were they born in the house of Abraham (PBUH). @impunity, this is in terms of faith. You see Christians and Muslims descended from the same father of faith: Abraham. So any religious acts by Abraham is covenant to all who ascribe to that faith, including "Nyeuthis".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Everyone wants to be a Jew... or an Arab... I saw some liberian posting saying "Liberia is the 'Israel' of Africa"... a thought I chuckled at... but made me think closer home - I know some ethnic groups in Kenya think they are the lost "tribe" of israel and some consider themselves very similar to Jews in tabias. The only problem is that while everyone is trying to be Jewish... what are Jews doing? or in Alphs case - Arabs. What are they doing? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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P.s Abraham if he ever existed would not be what we would call "white" as in the present day Jews. If real jesus based on what we know now would look something like this  then Abraham would look something like that as well All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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