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#201 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:11:51 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
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Aguytrying wrote:
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Spikes wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Is it not hypocrisy for any govt officer to wonder why kenyan fuel prices didn't fall as widely expected when the same govt introduced new taxes on diesel,there is alot of noise which might cause a review of the formula or scrapping it altogether.


Without the formula I think the price per litre can only be higher, I don't see govt reducing its taxes. But omc will happily increase distribution costs and margins.

Inflation. Salaries and rents have increased. As have the prices of many imported (& local) goods. Transport requires trucks (imported), spares (imported) and maintenance - lubes, tyres,etc (imported).

Plus I have waited for many years for a payday!


Amen to that. I was just thinking, if a company was bought out during a bear, that would be so sweet. Then you scoop up deals with the loot
Of course, the price offered might not be as much as during a bull market BUT if the price is fair e.g. 15 ... I would look at adding Unga at 35, KenRe at 21, I&M at 99, etc

we are not selling a fully recovered company the time for selling is behind us so may this selling story disappear


Are you expectant of material announcement? I can see you reverberating a rally in a bear market. When is good news likely to trickle in? Tell me please,I want to dive in wholly.

Lower working capital debt [thanks to lower cost/liter], higher volumes [increase in vehicles] and no more underwater hedges.


Thanks I would consider joining this counter before profit announcement.


If u are planning to buy and sell at a profit immediately, you might be in for a shock. THIS IS A BEAR MARKET. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack.


You have overlooked the fact that material announcement converts BEARS into BULLS for a particular counter.


I haven't overlooked. You have symptoms of getting burnt that's why I keep warning you. Anything you buy this year, be ready to hold for 3 years. Speculating in a bear market is suicidal, chances of success are very low.


Which means if an investor is holding anything for now and stands a position of exiting for between 0-10% gain the better.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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#202 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:14:31 AM
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mlennyma
#203 Posted : Wednesday, January 27, 2016 12:16:15 PM
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The demand building up today is amazing in a bear marketsmile
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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#204 Posted : Wednesday, January 27, 2016 12:21:06 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
The demand building up today is amazing in a bear marketsmile


I told you the teddy bear we are in now is not real just a psychological maxim in play.
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Realtreaty
#205 Posted : Wednesday, January 27, 2016 7:34:10 PM
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KK is still a mighty stock. Mostly it plays the divedend and bonus cards not the capital gains card. Waiting for end of Feb to announce the 40cents to make it 50Cents FY2015. But we hve to go bck to the basics where KK was swinging between 10 and 13 Ksh for eons
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mlennyma
#206 Posted : Wednesday, February 03, 2016 9:44:11 AM
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https://www.standardmedi...mpanies-sh11b-in-refunds
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#207 Posted : Wednesday, February 03, 2016 12:57:57 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/m/?articleID=2000190189&story_title=government-still-owes-oil-companies-sh11b-in-refunds

GoK should pay up. Pap!
In the era of declining oil prices, just add 1/- to the price of fuel for 24 months to sort out these issues!

*Fill up at KK. Thank you. Come Again.*
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Realtreaty
#208 Posted : Wednesday, February 03, 2016 1:30:18 PM
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Compensation. It sounds like begging. Its not a goodwill. The Govt can do this by reducing excise duty on such companies but I never see where cash shall be paid Pap.These are contingencies that the govt can revert with a long period of time as it also went at a loss by closing a firm and you do not expect a quick refund. Govt can use KRA funds to prop the claimants reducing taxes levied for a period.
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VituVingiSana
#209 Posted : Wednesday, February 03, 2016 4:54:52 PM
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Realtreaty wrote:
Compensation. It sounds like begging. Its not a goodwill. The Govt can do this by reducing excise duty on such companies but I never see where cash shall be paid Pap.These are contingencies that the govt can revert with a long period of time as it also went at a loss by closing a firm and you do not expect a quick refund. Govt can use KRA funds to prop the claimants reducing taxes levied for a period.

GoK is composed of very many thieves. That's why (except for KenRe) I avoid GoK controlled firms.

I look at the compensation as icing on the cake. An extra helping. A surprise gift when it is finally paid.
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#210 Posted : Wednesday, February 03, 2016 7:01:06 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Compensation. It sounds like begging. Its not a goodwill. The Govt can do this by reducing excise duty on such companies but I never see where cash shall be paid Pap.These are contingencies that the govt can revert with a long period of time as it also went at a loss by closing a firm and you do not expect a quick refund. Govt can use KRA funds to prop the claimants reducing taxes levied for a period.

GoK is composed of very many thieves. That's why (except for KenRe) I avoid GoK controlled firms.

I look at the compensation as icing on the cake. An extra helping. A surprise gift when it is finally paid.


What makes ken Re so special, yet it's gok owned. Remember a CEO is an employee esp one without stake and in a gok firm....
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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