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junior121121
#751 Posted : Saturday, January 30, 2016 8:52:02 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Good job here.

What recommendations would you give for seat material for a school bus? The hardiest available understanding pupils. Thanks.

I see no mention of Banbros. We added a Hino, see how that goes, and the body works are terrible! Exactly how @TeamW describes. Banbros walituangusha raundi this!



Great Stuff Cde Monomotapa, please let me know you feedback and experience with the Hino (Anyone else with experience)
For the seat material - use the KCI material. There is a guy at Moonlight Autos who fixes chairs and stocks it - its about 45% more expensive but stays 2 years longer
Cde Monomotapa
#752 Posted : Sunday, January 31, 2016 2:50:14 PM
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Joined: 1/13/2011
Posts: 5,964
junior121121 wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Good job here.

What recommendations would you give for seat material for a school bus? The hardiest available understanding pupils. Thanks.

I see no mention of Banbros. We added a Hino, see how that goes, and the body works are terrible! Exactly how @TeamW describes. Banbros walituangusha raundi this!



Great Stuff Cde Monomotapa, please let me know you feedback and experience with the Hino (Anyone else with experience)
For the seat material - use the KCI material. There is a guy at Moonlight Autos who fixes chairs and stocks it - its about 45% more expensive but stays 2 years longer


Thanks @junior121121 for that. Will follow up.

Sure will. The Hino's fitted with 37 considering weight and height of pupils, also, we are having enrollment from S.S now and they're looking to match me at 6ft+ smile

Insurance the are good packages from CIC negotiated through KPSA along with other risks associated with schools. With more competition we can get better offers. What about Saccos?

Blockbuster performance for 2015; Mean 381, Lowest 350, 5 400+ all into National schools! The requirement for capacity has increased with that. I thank Min. of Edu for expanding quotas and with more constructive engagement, more can be achieved. We are on the same side!!!

Financing cost need divine intervention. That's a common concern I see.
subaru
#753 Posted : Sunday, January 31, 2016 3:36:54 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 3/15/2010
Posts: 391
Location: nairobie
junior121121 wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Good job here.

What recommendations would you give for seat material for a school bus? The hardiest available understanding pupils. Thanks.

I see no mention of Banbros. We added a Hino, see how that goes, and the body works are terrible! Exactly how @TeamW describes. Banbros walituangusha raundi this!


@ junior where can i get a better price for a coach body 33 or 29 seater and shortest delivery time

Great Stuff Cde Monomotapa, please let me know you feedback and experience with the Hino (Anyone else with experience)
For the seat material - use the KCI material. There is a guy at Moonlight Autos who fixes chairs and stocks it - its about 45% more expensive but stays 2 years longer

hindsight
#754 Posted : Sunday, January 31, 2016 11:58:49 PM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 1/29/2016
Posts: 47
Location: Nairobi, Kenya
Hi Wazuans,
I salute you all and appreciate lots of the knowledge and life hacks you have shared.

Thanks again, and I hope to do the same in due course.

Quick Disclaimer; (apologies for a long post-wanted to be on point.)

Note;

1) I have read all threads on matatu bizness and have gained lots of wisdom on the same, hence consider me “educated” from past posts.

2) I have also realized matatu bizness is not for the faint hearted you have to get yourself dirty and be able to have hands on approach for its success.

3) I have a fair understanding of various matatu options available for an investor;

--14 seater (shuttle/long distance & town plying) –MY INTEREST- town service
--33/51 seater bus CFG/Dodi/Banbros etc
--Citi Hoppa/KBS etc leased.

My Question/My Interest; Interested running a 14 sitter Matatu Bizness in a town route (of a well managed sacco) ,alone as I don’t intend to do partnership as of now + other reasons i.e…quick decision making.

I wish to enter the matatu bizness starting from the bottom pyramid due to cash constraints. I have a budget of ksh 400,000 cash. I can squeeze another 300k through a sacco loan, readily available, hence total available and willing to spend 600K-700k at most.

What are the best options to acquire a 2nd hand Matatu reg’ (KAX-KBD) ,a Manual & Diesel run out of these below, in relations to low risk and consistent returns, easy to maintain etc.

1) Buy an X tour- Nissan caravan van(not 4wd); preferably (a good tested model); cost price; 650K onwards and convert to a matatu ,after registrations etc total comes to approx’ ksh 850k onwards.

My take; very costly above my budget, but am told they perform well reliably over 4yrs with usual repairs & maintenance.

My query;
Any ideas where I get one at a good price and are my costing above fair? Any other counsel appreciated.


2) Buy an old matatu Toyota/Nissan (a good tested model) but still in service and do an overhaul; cost price ;300k onwards,do engine and gear box (overhaul/change) ,change seats, do the paint job and change key other parts. Overhauling & repairs costs ; 250K total costs 550-600K.

My take;
No idea whether it can serve me reliably and the costs not sure and risks of overhauling /changing engine or gearbox.

My query; Do you know routes/yards/auction companies where one can get a good deal and what ‘s your take on my maths. Can you advise one to go for this option?

3) Buy a clean long distance matatu shuttle (a good tested model) in service and good condition.
Cost price ; 950k onwards .


My take;
Reliable and will serve me a few years before the usual challenges of old models. The problem is my budget is 700k tops and can’t afford to stretch myself further as of now.

My query;
Do you know people who can offer the same at a cheaper costs/down payment with low interests especially those owned by a Sacco and pay them in six months etc.

Bottomline;

I will appreciate any suggestions from those who had to start from scratch and how they hacked their way up the matatu pyramid. I would really appreciate any relevant information as per above.

Feel free to share any own experience is really welcomed.

Thanks a ton in advance! Laughing out loudly



Live your life well, don't settle nor conform to people expectations. It's one of the best way to live life full of bliss and contentment.
Cde Monomotapa
#755 Posted : Monday, February 01, 2016 7:23:28 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/13/2011
Posts: 5,964
Morning @hindsight There is Toyotsu Auto Mart, Popo Road, South C. They sell used cars with good mileage. It's a Toyota subsidiary.
Rankaz13
#756 Posted : Monday, February 01, 2016 7:45:52 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 5/21/2013
Posts: 2,841
Location: Here
hindsight wrote:
Hi Wazuans,
I salute you all and appreciate lots of the knowledge and life hacks you have shared.

Thanks again, and I hope to do the same in due course.

Quick Disclaimer; (apologies for a long post-wanted to be on point.)

Note;

1) I have read all threads on matatu bizness and have gained lots of wisdom on the same, hence consider me “educated” from past posts.

2) I have also realized matatu bizness is not for the faint hearted you have to get yourself dirty and be able to have hands on approach for its success.

3) I have a fair understanding of various matatu options available for an investor;

--14 seater (shuttle/long distance & town plying) –MY INTEREST- town service
--33/51 seater bus CFG/Dodi/Banbros etc
--Citi Hoppa/KBS etc leased.

My Question/My Interest; Interested running a 14 sitter Matatu Bizness in a town route (of a well managed sacco) ,alone as I don’t intend to do partnership as of now + other reasons i.e…quick decision making.

I wish to enter the matatu bizness starting from the bottom pyramid due to cash constraints. I have a budget of ksh 400,000 cash. I can squeeze another 300k through a sacco loan, readily available, hence total available and willing to spend 600K-700k at most.

What are the best options to acquire a 2nd hand Matatu reg’ (KAX-KBD) ,a Manual & Diesel run out of these below, in relations to low risk and consistent returns, easy to maintain etc.

1) Buy an X tour- Nissan caravan van(not 4wd); preferably (a good tested model); cost price; 650K onwards and convert to a matatu ,after registrations etc total comes to approx’ ksh 850k onwards.

My take; very costly above my budget, but am told they perform well reliably over 4yrs with usual repairs & maintenance.

My query;
Any ideas where I get one at a good price and are my costing above fair? Any other counsel appreciated.


2) Buy an old matatu Toyota/Nissan (a good tested model) but still in service and do an overhaul; cost price ;300k onwards,do engine and gear box (overhaul/change) ,change seats, do the paint job and change key other parts. Overhauling & repairs costs ; 250K total costs 550-600K.

My take;
No idea whether it can serve me reliably and the costs not sure and risks of overhauling /changing engine or gearbox.

My query; Do you know routes/yards/auction companies where one can get a good deal and what ‘s your take on my maths. Can you advise one to go for this option?

3) Buy a clean long distance matatu shuttle (a good tested model) in service and good condition.
Cost price ; 950k onwards .


My take;
Reliable and will serve me a few years before the usual challenges of old models. The problem is my budget is 700k tops and can’t afford to stretch myself further as of now.

My query;
Do you know people who can offer the same at a cheaper costs/down payment with low interests especially those owned by a Sacco and pay them in six months etc.

Bottomline;

I will appreciate any suggestions from those who had to start from scratch and how they hacked their way up the matatu pyramid. I would really appreciate any relevant information as per above.

Feel free to share any own experience is really welcomed.

Thanks a ton in advance! Laughing out loudly





Kweli una jokes Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

My experience: I began with a low capacity vehicle, 8-seater Toyota TownAce doing long distance shuttle service. My reason for doing so were two-fold: One, I was similarly cash constrained (had to take 300k loan, half of which I spent on offsetting the remainder of the purchase cost. At the time I bought the vehicle for 750k). And two, I figured that in case I found the going tough (I was a newbie, remember) I could easily convert the townace to a personal vehicle or easily find an alternative use for it. Long story short, hii gari ilinifunza mengi sana and, two years later, I sold and upgraded to a (slightly used) 5l.

I'll answer the highlighted: With respect to a Toyota Hiace, the estimates you have for overhauling engine and transmission are understated. Currently, an ex-japan 3l engine is going for about 300k, 5l 330-350k. It's very rare that an engine overhaul (where you open it up and fix/replace sleeves, valves, rings,gaskets, pumps, etc) will cost you less than 100k, labor costs excluded. Especially when you insist on good quality parts.

Manual gearbox (3l/5l) is currently going for around 50-60k (gearbox only, with its bell housing) exclusive of labor costs. An auto gearbox is about 20-30k. If you wanna convert auto to manual, expect to spend upwards of 180k (actually ranging between 180-220k) inclusive of labor costs.

I normally prefer to fabricate my own seats rather than buy those ready made ones hapo Ngara whose quality is below par. Last I recall, I spent about 30k on materials (i.e. fabric, cushions - both heavy and standard density)and a further about 30k on actual fabrication, i.e. kununua chuma, kuzikunja na welding. Might seem a bit expensive but sitaki kupigiwa simu eti kiti imekatika, losing time in repairs. Fanya kazi nzuri ambayo hutarudia tena. Paintwork, both interior and exterior, cost somewhere around 30-40k. Good quality paint that has lasted 4yrs now and still looks as glossy as it was when newly done.

I hope that helps you a bit.Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
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hindsight
#757 Posted : Monday, February 01, 2016 1:32:41 PM
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Joined: 1/29/2016
Posts: 47
Location: Nairobi, Kenya
@Rankaz13 and @Cde Monomotapa thanks for the info.

I would appreciate other experiences.

@Rankaz On the costs noted.

I stay guided :)
Live your life well, don't settle nor conform to people expectations. It's one of the best way to live life full of bliss and contentment.
hindsight
#758 Posted : Tuesday, February 02, 2016 10:09:16 AM
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Joined: 1/29/2016
Posts: 47
Location: Nairobi, Kenya

Follow Up...Kindly need your input guys as per above post.

Where is

@Thitifini
@Matatuman
@Subaruman
@Junior121121

and the rest Matatu investors...help out!

Thanks.

Live your life well, don't settle nor conform to people expectations. It's one of the best way to live life full of bliss and contentment.
Roque
#759 Posted : Tuesday, February 02, 2016 11:55:08 AM
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Joined: 1/29/2016
Posts: 11
Location: Nairobi
Hi Guys,
Recently acquired an used van and am in search of the following items (quality and best price):
1. Tyres and rims
2. Paint job and body work
3. Installation of seats (14 seater)

PS> Van is to be used as a private van or school van
kayhara
#760 Posted : Tuesday, February 02, 2016 12:07:26 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 5/5/2011
Posts: 1,059
Roque wrote:
Hi Guys,
Recently acquired an used van and am in search of the following items (quality and best price):
1. Tyres and rims
2. Paint job and body work
3. Installation of seats (14 seater)

PS> Van is to be used as a private van or school van

kisungu, visit Ngara or any fitout garage bei ni kuongea
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