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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,297
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Got a chance to visit some friends outside kenya and i envied what they enjoy that we never have when one owns or rents a property especially villas or flats.
Our kenyan property is more expensive but lacks alot. The space we boast of here is much smaller, i can tell you in kenya before you buy a sofa set you need fundi to first measure your door and corridor size else the sme sofa won't go in. After a small sofa set is in (3 pcs) and a wall unit our house is full while out there aflat accomodates 6 pcs, wll unit,fridge,dining tble set and children have space to play.
Out there toilet is seperate from bathroom while ours is same cubical with less facilities.
The issue of flowing water is one more thing. The Verandah that made you like your flat will end up being a spce for water drums in kenya, you even cannot buy washing machine as need flowing water and our city council has water on vendors carts.
One more the way the room is illuminated, we hve central single bulb theory, single switch. There you find quite a change. Security is one more, here in Kenya, anyone can access your entry corridor or door, children marking and playing your door(all that noise on the stair, doors just opposite each other etc, out there good houses with alternate door, your entry corridor save and only yours ensuring privacy and security.
I would like our investors to know that once kenya becomes developed country, those building they call flats in Kayole,Dandora, Umoj, Embakasi, kangemi, Eastleigh will be useless.
We need less houses on a plot to call them Villas(Massionettes) or Flats
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,300 Location: kenya
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Realtreaty wrote:Got a chance to visit some friends outside kenya and i envied what they enjoy that we never have when one owns or rents a property especially villas or flats.
Our kenyan property is more expensive but lacks alot. The space we boast of here is much smaller, i can tell you in kenya before you buy a sofa set you need fundi to first measure your door and corridor size else the sme sofa won't go in. After a small sofa set is in (3 pcs) and a wall unit our house is full while out there aflat accomodates 6 pcs, wll unit,fridge,dining tble set and children have space to play.
Out there toilet is seperate from bathroom while ours is same cubical with less facilities.
The issue of flowing water is one more thing. The Verandah that made you like your flat will end up being a spce for water drums in kenya, you even cannot buy washing machine as need flowing water and our city council has water on vendors carts.
One more the way the room is illuminated, we hve central single bulb theory, single switch. There you find quite a change. Security is one more, here in Kenya, anyone can access your entry corridor or door, children marking and playing your door(all that noise on the stair, doors just opposite each other etc, out there good houses with alternate door, your entry corridor save and only yours ensuring privacy and security.
I would like our investors to know that once kenya becomes developed country, those building they call flats in Kayole,Dandora, Umoj, Embakasi, kangemi, Eastleigh will be useless.
We need less houses on a plot to call them Villas(Massionettes) or Flats @realtreaty  I think some of these developers need to travel outside kenya. It's way different.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 9/16/2015 Posts: 15
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@realtreaty.
You observations are correct mostly. However, I think you are wrong on one assumption. That kenya will become a developed country. That will not happen any time soon unless corruption and tribalism are severely restricted. Until then the status quo remains. We are a poor 4th world country. With huge debt, high corruption, high unemployment, tribalism, challenges with insecurity, poor export to import ratio and volatile elections.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,300 Location: kenya
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businesspundit wrote:@realtreaty.
You observations are correct mostly. However, I think you are wrong on one assumption. That kenya will become a developed country. That will not happen any time soon unless corruption and tribalism are severely restricted. Until then the status quo remains. We are a poor 4th world country. With huge debt, high corruption, high unemployment, tribalism, challenges with insecurity, poor export to import ratio and volatile elections.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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@Realtreaty is very good in critiquing Kenyan developments yet can't construct a single sentence in proper English.  Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/22/2015 Posts: 682
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@realtreaty your friends abroad are probably just going better than most. In majuu there are also many people living in squeezed projects with no regard for basics. And similarly in Kenya you have the apartments you describe, but they'll set you back 70k+
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/16/2007 Posts: 2,114
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sparkly wrote:@Realtreaty is very good in critiquing Kenyan developments yet can't construct a single sentence in proper English. Would better English equate to a better apartment?
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/26/2009 Posts: 326 Location: Nairobi
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Depends on which lane you keep. There are flats and houses in this very Kenya which beats the one you saw wherever. Visit me  But yours is generally a valid observation....It's a demand and supply thing. Another question....is it regulation or pockets that limits our skyward real estate? Say a 60 storey block of flats.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/26/2009 Posts: 326 Location: Nairobi
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enyands wrote:businesspundit wrote:@realtreaty.
You observations are correct mostly. However, I think you are wrong on one assumption. That kenya will become a developed country. That will not happen any time soon unless corruption and tribalism are severely restricted. Until then the status quo remains. We are a poor 4th world country. With huge debt, high corruption, high unemployment, tribalism, challenges with insecurity, poor export to import ratio and volatile elections. Developed or lack of it is a mindset. masters of own destiny live good quality lives, stays above the hubris and more often than not get what they want, when they want from life,country, government... The mark of true success is to discover that niche.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/20/2015 Posts: 2,811 Location: Mombasa
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[quote=sparkly]@Realtreaty is very good in critiquing Kenyan developments yet can't construct a single sentence in proper English. [/quot The playwright prof. Ngugi wa Thiong'o has authored many books in vernacular. The widely celebrated novelist recently emphasised that we should desist from foreign language enslavement. This mediocrity at play from some Wazuans criticizing @Realtreaty on the basis of English should stop. The most significance of language is communication. As a matter of fact he has said it all he saw outside the country. John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/5/2011 Posts: 1,059
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Realtreaty wrote:Got a chance to visit some friends outside Kenya and i envied what they enjoy that we never have when one owns or rents a property especially villas or flats.
Our Kenyan property is more expensive but lacks a lot. The space we boast of here is much smaller, i can tell you in Kenya before you buy a sofa set you need fundi to first measure your door and corridor size else the sme sofa won't go in. After a small sofa set is in (3 pcs) and a wall unit our house is full while out there aflat accommodates 6 pcs, wall unit,fridge,dining table set and children have space to play.
Out there toilet is separate from bathroom while ours is same cubical with less facilities.
The issue of flowing water is one more thing. The Veranda that made you like your flat will end up being a space for water drums in Kenya, you even cannot buy washing machine as need flowing water and our city council has water on vendors carts.
One more the way the room is illuminated, we have central single bulb theory, single switch. There you find quite a change. Security is one more, here in Kenya, anyone can access your entry corridor or door, children marking and playing your door(all that noise on the stair, doors just opposite each other etc, out there good houses with alternate door, your entry corridor save and only yours ensuring privacy and security.
I would like our investors to know that once kenya becomes developed country, those building they call flats in Kayole,Dandora, Umoja, Embakasi, kangemi, Eastleigh will be useless.
We need less houses on a plot to call them Villas(Maisonettes) or Flats it's until I moved to Mombasa that I saw bulbs on the wall rather than the ceiling but I think it's to allow for a ceiling fan, also most new apartments in Nyali have a 1.2 meter entrance doors an entry porch where you leave your shoes, a kitchen and a big kitchen yard where they do the charcoal cooking the rooms are also very spacious and toilets are rarely mixed with bathrooms even in low cost shared plot toilets, in Nairobi it's about how many bedsitters you can get in a plot not the quality of living, in many flats furniture has to be brought up from the atrium or the balcony or disassembled then back again, stairs you can't pass each other, and the those dark rooms that never get sunlight, in architecture it's advisable to live in a space where you can look out of the window and see the sky or at least the trees and the outside in Nairobi this is a dream and most of you never open your windows because your bedroom window opens to the neighbours bedroom window too. To Each His Own
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/5/2011 Posts: 1,059
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del.duplicate To Each His Own
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Chaka wrote:sparkly wrote:@Realtreaty is very good in critiquing Kenyan developments yet can't construct a single sentence in proper English. Would better English equate to a better apartment? Catch the humour... Expert of apartment construction but can't construct a sentence Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/2/2010 Posts: 845
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sparkly wrote:@Realtreaty is very good in critiquing Kenyan developments yet can't construct a single sentence in proper English. Sasa proper English inaingilia wapi hapa @sparkly. Why are Kenyans obsessed with ascribing English language and accents to status way more than the English themselves? All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/20/2015 Posts: 2,811 Location: Mombasa
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innairobi wrote:sparkly wrote:@Realtreaty is very good in critiquing Kenyan developments yet can't construct a single sentence in proper English. Sasa proper English inaingilia wapi hapa @sparkly. Why are Kenyans obsessed with ascribing English language and accents to status way more than the English themselves? Maisha mazuri is about living large or content with little you have. NSE is about investing and making big returns. Proper English is a non-issue. John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Spikes wrote:[quote=sparkly]@Realtreaty is very good in critiquing Kenyan developments yet can't construct a single sentence in proper English. [/quot The playwright prof. Ngugi wa Thiong'o has authored many books in vernacular. The widely celebrated novelist recently emphasised that we should desist from foreign language enslavement. This mediocrity at play from some Wazuans criticizing @Realtreaty on the basis of English should stop. The most significance of language is communication. As a matter of fact he has said it all he saw outside the country. He is critiquing Kenyan developments. I am critiquing his English. You are critiquing my critiquing. Are you saying that @realtreaty and yourself have a right to critique but I don't? Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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sparkly wrote:Spikes wrote:[quote=sparkly]@Realtreaty is very good in critiquing Kenyan developments yet can't construct a single sentence in proper English. [/quot The playwright prof. Ngugi wa Thiong'o has authored many books in vernacular. The widely celebrated novelist recently emphasised that we should desist from foreign language enslavement. This mediocrity at play from some Wazuans criticizing @Realtreaty on the basis of English should stop. The most significance of language is communication. As a matter of fact he has said it all he saw outside the country. He is critiquing Kenyan developments. I am critiquing his English. Y ou are critiquing my critiquing. Are you saying that @realtreaty and yourself have a right to critique but I don't? Kunywa novida! If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Swenani wrote:sparkly wrote:Spikes wrote:[quote=sparkly]@Realtreaty is very good in critiquing Kenyan developments yet can't construct a single sentence in proper English. [/quot The playwright prof. Ngugi wa Thiong'o has authored many books in vernacular. The widely celebrated novelist recently emphasised that we should desist from foreign language enslavement. This mediocrity at play from some Wazuans criticizing @Realtreaty on the basis of English should stop. The most significance of language is communication. As a matter of fact he has said it all he saw outside the country. He is critiquing Kenyan developments. I am critiquing his English. Y ou are critiquing my critiquing. Are you saying that @realtreaty and yourself have a right to critique but I don't? Kunywa novida! The bear has turned some of us into idlers  Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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And delusions of grandeur. The bear is real The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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