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Lost Glory #Kenya Railways
Cornelius Vanderbilt
#1 Posted : Friday, January 29, 2016 7:37:08 AM
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Via Odhiambo Levin Opiyo FB ,1983 :Dinner being served in a buffet car of a Kenya Railway train before the corporation was turned into a cash cow by some greedy individuals.










masukuma
#2 Posted : Friday, January 29, 2016 9:27:02 AM
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Governments don't make good business decisions. That is why they should stay away from running anything that involves generating profits.
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maka
#3 Posted : Friday, January 29, 2016 10:09:12 AM
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masukuma wrote:
Governments don't make good business decisions. That is why they should stay away from running anything that involves generating profits.


Can the rail/train business be profitable?
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Njung'e
#4 Posted : Friday, January 29, 2016 11:29:42 AM
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Very beautiful.It's just reminded me i used to pay 7 bob from Eldie to Nai. Maybe that is why they closed shop.smile
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Impunity
#5 Posted : Friday, January 29, 2016 11:53:02 AM
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maka wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Governments don't make good business decisions. That is why they should stay away from running anything that involves generating profits.


Can the rail/train business be profitable?


Yes, in Europe especially.
The Virgin trains and the Great Western!

In African they are hardly profitable.
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Thitifini
#6 Posted : Friday, January 29, 2016 12:27:56 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Governments don't make good business decisions. That is why they should stay away from running anything that involves generating profits.


Shainis and Rashians Gaaments are doing pretty well.

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Impunity
#7 Posted : Friday, January 29, 2016 2:16:45 PM
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Thitifini wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Governments don't make good business decisions. That is why they should stay away from running anything that involves generating profits.


Shainis and Rashians Gaaments are doing pretty well.


In India working in the state rail is like eternal blessing!
It rakes billions in revenue and pays pension in time!
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Alba
#8 Posted : Friday, January 29, 2016 6:05:26 PM
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Lost glory indeed. It was at one time the biggest employer in Kenya and provided housing for all employees. They had huge estates in Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu. And boy were those estates fun places to be. They had all kinds of houses all the way from one room bedsitters to 3 and 4 bedroom houses and everything in between. Houses were well maintained, estates looked good with wide open spaces, social halls, football fields, there were open air movies and all other amenities.

Because there were so many football fields, these Kenya railways estates produced a disproportionate number of top footballers in Kenya. Kaloleni and Makongeni even had two teams in the national football league. And when they played, the whole estate would come to city stadium to cheer. Fun times.

And Muthurwa social hall aka Dallas is responsible for producing something like 50% of the Kenyan boxers who have won medals at the Olympics and Commonwealth games.

And I am very nostalgic about riding those second class coaches, sleeping in the middle bunk on the way to coast or elsewhere.

Can a public railway be well managed? Only if the public demands accountability, something that Kenyans are not interested in. In Brazil there are riots when public transport companies raise fares. In new York the mayor and the MTA carefully needs to explain each time the MTA raises subway fares. And in Kenya the public is mostly hoodwinked by appeals to tribal loyalty. So while public officials loot, the public focuses on which tribe is in power.

I said well managed, not profitable. IMO The goal of a public utility is not to make profits but to provide badly needed services. To make business possible by efficiently moving goods across the country. To alleviate traffic by providing alternative transportation. And so forth. Financially, a public utility just needs to break even while providing badly needed services.

murchr
#9 Posted : Friday, January 29, 2016 6:07:53 PM
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Alba wrote:
Lost glory indeed. It was at one time the biggest employer in Kenya and provided housing for all employees. They had huge estates in Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu. And boy were those estates fun places to be. They had all kinds of houses all the way from one room bedsitters to 3 and 4 bedroom houses and everything in between. Houses were well maintained, estates looked good with wide open spaces, social halls, football fields, there were open air movies and all other amenities.

Because there were so many football fields, these Kenya railways estates produced a disproportionate number of top footballers in Kenya. Kaloleni and Makongeni even had two teams in the national football league. And when they played, the whole estate would come to city stadium to cheer. Fun times.

And I am very nostalgic about riding those second class coaches, sleeping in the middle bunk on the way to coast or elsewhere.

Can a public railway be well managed? Only if the public demands accountability, something that Kenyans are not interested in. In Brazil there are riots when public transport companies raise fares. In new York the mayor and the MTA carefully needs to explain each time the MTA raises subway fares. And in Kenya the public is mostly hoodwinked by appeals to tribal loyalty.

I said well managed, not profitable. IMO The goal of a public utility is not to make profits but to provide badly needed services. To make business possible by efficiently moving goods across the country. To alleviate traffic by providing alternative transportation. And so forth. Financially, a public utility just needs to break even while providing badly needed services.




That's where they lost the plot. They should have invested in the core business...upgrading the rail and trains
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masukuma
#10 Posted : Friday, January 29, 2016 6:59:47 PM
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murchr wrote:
Alba wrote:
Lost glory indeed. It was at one time the biggest employer in Kenya and provided housing for all employees. They had huge estates in Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu. And boy were those estates fun places to be. They had all kinds of houses all the way from one room bedsitters to 3 and 4 bedroom houses and everything in between. Houses were well maintained, estates looked good with wide open spaces, social halls, football fields, there were open air movies and all other amenities.

Because there were so many football fields, these Kenya railways estates produced a disproportionate number of top footballers in Kenya. Kaloleni and Makongeni even had two teams in the national football league. And when they played, the whole estate would come to city stadium to cheer. Fun times.

And I am very nostalgic about riding those second class coaches, sleeping in the middle bunk on the way to coast or elsewhere.

Can a public railway be well managed? Only if the public demands accountability, something that Kenyans are not interested in. In Brazil there are riots when public transport companies raise fares. In new York the mayor and the MTA carefully needs to explain each time the MTA raises subway fares. And in Kenya the public is mostly hoodwinked by appeals to tribal loyalty.

I said well managed, not profitable. IMO The goal of a public utility is not to make profits but to provide badly needed services. To make business possible by efficiently moving goods across the country. To alleviate traffic by providing alternative transportation. And so forth. Financially, a public utility just needs to break even while providing badly needed services.




That's where they lost the plot. They should have invested in the core business...upgrading the rail and trains

Governments don't make business decisions they make political ones. Business decisions are not always popular some of the railways that are being touted as being successful are actually not profitable - they still require the tax payer to fork out some cash.
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