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Realities of Forex Investment
Passyson
#221 Posted : Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:17:00 PM
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I am waiting for the ISM manufacturing and US construction spending reports at 5pm before i plunge into the world of comdolls...

Oil did a nasty one there in the last hour...had to exit USD/CAD in a hurry with whatever profits


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NGAATU
#222 Posted : Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:39:00 PM
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@passyson

I think the USD/CAD spike was caused by the iranian oil minister who was suggesting for an oil cut of up to 700k b.p.d creating fear of the oil and this has sharply led to the situation of loosing around 50 pips to levels of even to 1.063 but i think after the economic data it would bounce back a bit to even 1.07 where i expect it would be resistance level for few min.


@NGAATU
Mtibe
#223 Posted : Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:58:00 PM
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Hello forex guys.

I am really motivated by this discusionas it is really helping a lot here outside who are interested. What i need to know is how can we have meetings so that we could be giving each other more information.
I trained with a firm wayback in november 07 and i went to demo for almost 3 months as i was told and then started with USD 3500in my live account to maximise on the volume.But since then i only made around $45 in profits and made losses of - 475.I was deeply disapointed and the guy who trained me i realised later did not have the basics as am seeing here,he even requested to buy a system which i bought at $4200 but only helped me for two months and realised that i lacked a lot of fundamentals.So i stopped and started to trade with demo again and partly live and i am now making something.

So i dont know how can i get you guys so that you can brief me as i know there are tons of money to be made but i only followed a wrong approach but i think i can benefit from you guys so that i can make little cash also.
How can i get your mails @ngaatu @toni i already have for @passyson.

Keep informing the public on the reality it is really helpful.

Cheers

Investing is tricky
tonicasert
#224 Posted : Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:47:00 PM
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Hi,

Am on tonicasert@yahoo.com though am very poor at replying yahoo emails due to some reasons.

Best option would be to post a query here and someone will definately answer.

Cable has started getting heavy support at 1.7780-90 level,with a double bottom in the last 1-2 hours. Once I exit my current short,will take a breather and wait for it to also take a breather (with some retracements of sorts).

Wallstreet has opened on a higher note with anticipated lower energy costs boosting co profitability and easing consumer spending concerns. USD may get some further boost. Lets see....


Passyson
#225 Posted : Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:41:00 AM
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Morning.

For anyone up at this time,I am shorting NZD/JPY...Entered @ 74.3840...Indicators point to a downside so far.

Also shorted the AUD/USD

Happy trading!



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Passyson
#226 Posted : Wednesday, September 03, 2008 4:14:00 PM
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Seems like the USD is on another rally against the major currencies

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tonicasert
#227 Posted : Wednesday, September 03, 2008 4:44:00 PM
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Hi Passyon,

Yeah it seems USD is still on a run. Today havent traded,been busy.

Looking to short AUD/USD and GBP/USD on upticks. How did the NZD/JPY take you?

GL and GT
Passyson
#228 Posted : Wednesday, September 03, 2008 5:17:00 PM
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Hi Tonicasert...

NZD/JPY did me well in the morning...exited before the spike.

Currently short AUD/USD and long USD/CHF...will let them run for the day obviously with my S/L in place.




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NGAATU
#229 Posted : Wednesday, September 03, 2008 6:48:00 PM
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@passyson i think we derived the good probability of the USD/CAD the only reason was the iranian news for crude oil but it later drove upwards as we said to even above 1.07 levels ( its now standing at around 1.073) so i do hoped you scooped what was around as we are awaiting the BOC interest announcement.
Man the dollar has been doing crazy things since monday,things were really good.
AS for me i really concentrated on the NZD/USD which shedded almost 118 pips till today during the london session but i went out for less than half of those pips.Am waiting for the NY session where i will still short the Kiwi with target around 20-30 pips.
The JPY is still holding itself up but with the data to be released i will still think of going long USD/JPY looking around 25- 50 pips it wont be bad.But it still holds itself up so i will looking at it carefully.

For USD/CHF i think the next resistance level will be around 1.2000 now.
EUR/USD things are not bad.

How your side?

@NGAATU
kilabe
#230 Posted : Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:42:00 PM
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@alala

Since you discussed the EDSAS system which you said you dont need to hastle enough i went down and looked at its behavior for the last two weeks or so and i have some few observations which i wanted to share with other colleagues and maybe you and others here in the forum can correct me where it is appropriate.

One thing i realized about the EDSAS is an arbitrage and as you explained you use the correlations of the EUR/USD,USD/CHF which is almost perfect negatively at around -93%.Thats absolutely factual. Again you gave an example of how it operates which i used in a demo account to monitor it,Going long EUR/USD USD/CHF,and Going short EUR/USD USD CHF at the same time. This as you said one correlation pair can go (+245 -215) a profit of +35 pips. In my observation practical for the last two weeks with the volatility in the market i realized the arbitrage can only reduced your losses well as recorrection will be done by the pairs(negative and positive) but i made this opinions:
- Arbitrage/correlations works well for huge funds who in turn use big lots size thats why they are used by big institutions as they can make a kill with the small difference by using big lot sizes but for an individual with small lot size or small fund it will only for minimizing his loss but wont make a lot.
example:
Since last week the EUR/USD was at 1.657 and the USD/CHF 1.0884 looking at the movement of the 2 pairs for long and short for three days you could see that even though there were correction in both long and short the profit which could be derived was not more than +30 pips and most of the times reducing,if it goes beyond 40 pips in profit thats something which you need to take fast.i.e long EUR/USD -$352 (114 pips) USD/CHF + 274 ( 97 pips),short EUR/USD +352 USD/CHF -274 there will be differences which will occur regarding the strength of the movement and this is why i noticed the profit will largely depend on the lot size in correlation as a person with maybe $500000 using 5 stand lots getting a difference of 35 pips will mean 35*50 or $17500 that will be good amount but for a person with $ 2000 as i tested with and uses only mini-lots and gets 35pips with a value of $2 it will be $70 in profit!! So it works well for huge funds and if its a small fund then it can be for minimizing losses.

2. There are opportunities like the spark of the dollar which i am sure everyone made hundreds of thousands as of now will be limited to a person as he cannot take a kill in a certain movement.i.e EUR/USD from 1.65 to level of 1.43 over 200 pips can only be enjoyed by a person who has taken fundamental direction but with the correlation it would maybe get 20pips due to the corrections its making itself for long and shorts.For a person with small funds it would only be an imagination as will realize small but less risky returns.

In conclusion i do think the arbitrage works well for huge funds thats why big institutions or well capitalized guys use them as they can maximize with the difference(using the lot sizes) but for a small trader to use it will only reduce him the losses he may have but will rarely capitalize on the huge gains which will occur in case of spikes as we are witnessing.AS arbitrage is a good thing absolutely but a trader needs to look at the fund volume and lot size as a small player will be not in a bad position in losses and risky but cannot gain much though.

This was my practical observation as i opened a sub-account with a demo account and took long(EUR/USD USD/CHF) on one account and short (EUR/USD USD/CHF) on another account simultaneously.

Another thing is that you dont need stop losses and take profit so i guess you can go to taita hills!!!

@ngaatu @passyson i am also checking on the correlations of the comdolls and will give you a feedback we share my observations.

Regarding the week i am more than happy for the USD.Laughing all the way to bank

HARD WORK,HARD WORK HARD WORK
dakiku
#231 Posted : Wednesday, September 03, 2008 8:12:00 PM
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@all
Guys i think what you are sharing here is a very good gesture towards developing the forex market in kenya. With good advice which i put it into consideration i have suspended the naivasha trip and concentrate on the market.Hata jana na leo nimepata another 45 pips and i scalped with so i think i will make Ksh 120k this week God willing,and pump it to increase the lot size in future cause i am imagining if my lot size would be with pip value of $20!!

What i want to tell all guys around is that you need information and be ready to be an explorer in looking for information and tactics there are no short cuts.Am feeling pity for people who are skeptical and i understand its because they have only hearsay and maybe they are trained by &quot;teachers&quot; who themselves cant predict.I am working partime and its because i had a loan i took but by end of this month will be alone making my losses and profits. I think this month i will make my salary for 6 months!! And i am trading with only $6000 in my live account.I partly financed it with the loan i took; do not try this it needs guts as you may have losses kabisa.

@toni and @ngaatu continue to encourage guys by giving them facts and good direction we need development and i am telling all guys around here there are avenues to exploit and this is it,but you need knowledge and skills as told earlier by the guys.
- from my experience there is no short cut so anyone who says fundamentals are not realistic is just himself not telling the truth,as much as technicals are good fundamentals are critical.So dont go and buy systems,i bought mine called FOREXKILLER very expensive and it dissapointed me in the long run.

What i want to caution everyone there is that look at dudes who are realistic but dont be duped by guys who have big plush offices but give you wrong information which you wont notice in the short run.Look for guys who have facts and i beleive these guys here in this forum have facts and sense in the market.

For God sake we are not living on planet mars like aliens communicating on air,when are we going to meet and know each other.Am really looking forward to meet and have forex club here in kenya.
Hey @kilabe @ngaatu@passyson@tonicasert @ mtibe and all we need a club and regulation.

Tumia akili na ujuzi kupata pesa.

Perseverance and right information and tactics = tons of $$$
timber
#232 Posted : Wednesday, September 03, 2008 8:33:00 PM
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@ngaatu,@passyson.Very well with the discussion. I have been with a certain firm website which caution against trading with news and have also checked it with baby pips and a guy who is training people and seen that it is dangerous as news is speculation and can go anyway and the spreads are also high so it is very risky.What is surprising me is that it seems as if you guys are trading on news?or what is the difference between trading with news and fundamentals?
Can someone help me out there?

Mchumia Juani hula Kivulini
NGAATU
#233 Posted : Wednesday, September 03, 2008 9:01:00 PM
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@timber

In my opinion i think there is a distinct difference between trading on fundamentals and trading on news.Although a person may try to link them together the difference is still there and big.Trading on news means mostly waiting for a particular news to be announced and if it turns out to be positive/negative you go long or short as you anticipate there will be strong movement. The dangers arising is that the spreads will be adjusted by the brokers and this will eat your returns and the major problem is that if other news also rises then the movement can be reversed and you will be in trouble and losses.For those who anticipate correctly then better for them but thats why it is termed risky.
What you need to understand is what is news?News is not hearsay news are economic data so they are issued to specify a particular direction of the currency.

Regarding trading on fundamentals its different in that fundamentals first are economic data as said above in the news and even the technicals give their shape of direction upon being directed by fundamentals which are the economic data of the countries or any event which may have implication to the currencies. The difference is that in fundamentals you don't wait for the news or the data to be announced to take a position?? no. Reading with fundamentals is looking for the strengths of the economic data to be released and do analysis and even comparison with your technicals way before it is announced and then after gathering enough information you take a position.
- An advantage is that if there will be any changes in the market you will get time to analyze and notice it and where possible change direction if its indicating strongly.
So when the data is announced you would have already taken a position earlier and this is not hearsay its economic data!! Here when a guy tells me he thinks of 50pips long/short he just looks at the upcoming events and if a position is taken then the probability that it will be around that range is high and if it goes against it will be around certain figure then maybe bounce back again. The probabilities are made after proper analysis here in which if you have noticed they have been getting the targets of what we are sharing.Its not guessed but analyzed.

I think my colleagues @passyson @toni @kilabe e.t.c may have their part to add. But i think you can see the difference now

@NGAATU
timber
#234 Posted : Wednesday, September 03, 2008 9:12:00 PM
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@ngaatu
Appreciate your explanation.I think it is informative and i am getting the difference now.

Mchumia Juani hula Kivulini
Passyson
#235 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2008 2:14:00 PM
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Good morning fellow traders...

Review of yesterday...i left my positions trading last evening and when i came back,my S/L were hit on both occasions...realised that traders were position trading in preparation for the ECB and BoE rate decisions today. Anyway to cut a long story short,i minimized my losses for the evening by going long EUR/USD. All in all,my NY session gave me some losses.

Today...i went short on the AUD/USD pair after the lousy trade balance report and exited with some good profits.

Outlook for today...i am currently short NZD/JPY and will also short the GBP/USD after the rates decision (if they remain unchanged @ 5% or if they are cut). I would expect a trend of GBP/USD if they remain unchanged as generally,the USD economy is coming out of the doldrums compared with HM economy. The ECB decision @ 13:45 will be a tricky one especially if they leave the rates unchanged...i say tricky because Trichet's post-release interview @ 14:30 will highly set the tone for either shorting EUR/USD or going long on the pair. I would suggest a wait-and-see approach after the initial post-Trichet press conference wave. I will actually enter the EUR/USD position at 16:00 hrs (with the NY session)....

Happy trading all!


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Passyson
#236 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2008 2:22:00 PM
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@Timber et al,

I really cannot answer your questions during the week BUT will do so over the weekend as i have ample time to go through them (after watching Namibia lose to Wanga and company). I can see that Ngaatu and i think Toni are giving you proper advice so far.

Expect my additional comments over the weekend.


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Passyson
#237 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2008 2:35:00 PM
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I have been having a look at the monthly charts and i see that the NZD has been losing against the Yen...same case with the weekly charts. I am trying a new sort of trading and i am giving the monthly trading a go...therefore,i have decided to short NZD/JPY for this month...will keep you updated.

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NGAATU
#238 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2008 2:57:00 PM
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@passyson
Morning too. I also hit m S.L for the USD/JPYand AUD/USD for the EUR/USD AND USD/CHF i left it retracing itself back. I think the retail sales for the united states bypassed me.I woke up early in the asian session expecting the aussie trade balance which was negative at -717 and at least it gave some pips around 45 pips going short with the USD. I think the big things are the interest rate decision which i expect them to remain hold.
The NZD/USD has returned to its levels and it has already shedded about 40 pips to the USD.Not bad one.

I think you need to update us on the NZD/JPY more,i have not checked on the pair closely.

@NGAATU
tonicasert
#239 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:31:00 PM
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Morning all,

My stops on AUD/USD and GBP/USD also hit. On the sidelines watching to see the direction after the rate decision,though they're highly expected to be unchanged.

@Passyon.

Any fundamental relation you are having on NZDJPY or just technical trades?

GL and GT
timber
#240 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:07:00 PM
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- Can i be helped so that i could know the difference between the lots and units?
- what is the advantage and disadvantage of using big lots and small lots/units?
- The leverage which am seeing here in the platforms what is the essence of it as am seeing other brokers have leverage of upto 400 and others less to 50? what is the difference and their advantages????
- what is dealing desk and market maker??

Mchumia Juani hula Kivulini
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