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Cornelius Vanderbilt
#1 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2016 8:36:29 AM
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The skies are God's billboard.

masukuma
#2 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2016 9:34:18 AM
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Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:
The skies are God's billboard.


not a very symmetric cross!! you would think that if it was God he would have done a better job - right?
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Ngalaka
#3 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2016 9:48:54 AM
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masukuma wrote:
Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:
The skies are God's billboard.


not a very symmetric cross!! you would think that if it was God he would have done a better job - right?


Are you a student of George's
At 2.52

Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
masukuma
#4 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2016 10:23:31 AM
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Ngalaka wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:
The skies are God's billboard.


not a very symmetric cross!! you would think that if it was God he would have done a better job - right?


Are you a student of George's
At 2.52


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly nasty old man! i just decided no more BS. one soldier is saved in somalia by hiding and his 63 other comrades die... we exclaim! haki ni Mungu!! Surely there is a God!!! like really? for the 63 others? we have a plane crash and one kid is saved and the rest die... we shout... it's a miracle!! Haki there is a God! what about the rest? now we see what our eyes seeas a cross we say... hey that is God's work... he is manifesting himself... Kinda like these guys
On bread

on Meat

on the surface of an egg!

or these fellows seeing a monkey God on a tree

or virgin mary on a grilled cheese sandwich



the only problem is .... a child can write/draw better than whoever wrote/drew those things. I prefer to think of it as just being Pareidolia!! We see what we are looking for!!
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2016 11:23:53 AM
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masukuma wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:
The skies are God's billboard.


not a very symmetric cross!! you would think that if it was God he would have done a better job - right?


Are you a student of George's
At 2.52


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly nasty old man! i just decided no more BS. one soldier is saved in somalia by hiding and his 63 other comrades die... we exclaim! haki ni Mungu!! Surely there is a God!!! like really? for the 63 others? we have a plane crash and one kid is saved and the rest die... we shout... it's a miracle!! Haki there is a God! what about the rest? now we see what our eyes seeas a cross we say... hey that is God's work... he is manifesting himself... Kinda like these guys
On bread

on Meat

on the surface of an egg!

or these fellows seeing a monkey God on a tree

or virgin mary on a grilled cheese sandwich



the only problem is .... a child can write/draw better than whoever wrote/drew those things. I prefer to think of it as just being Pareidolia!! We see what we are looking for!!


AlphDoti
#6 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2016 11:24:26 AM
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@cornelius, read about BLUEBEAM technology.

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Project Blue beam - big manifestations in the sky do decieve the people. There are many pages on the web to read about Project Blue Beam. It's a theory about shadow governmet of our world that will be staging a fake return of Christ. They might also fake UFO attack against Earth -creating need for a global military governemnt.




Nandwa
#7 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:31:31 PM
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washiku
#8 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:53:56 PM
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@Masukuma, the stories aside, do you believe God exists? Would you or do you take your kids to church?

Declaration of Interest: I am a firm believer that God Exists.
Thitifini
#9 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:58:53 PM
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washiku wrote:
@Masukuma, the stories aside, do you believe God exists? Would you or do you take your kids to church?

Declaration of Interest: I am a firm believer that God Exists.


Either Atheist or Agnostic.

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washiku
#10 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2016 1:06:04 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:
The skies are God's billboard.


not a very symmetric cross!! you would think that if it was God he would have done a better job - right?


Are you a student of George's
At 2.52



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Okay.
masukuma
#11 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2016 1:16:42 PM
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washiku wrote:
@Masukuma, the stories aside, do you believe God exists? Would you or do you take your kids to church?

Declaration of Interest: I am a firm believer that God Exists.

I used to believe God exists and used to believe that believing that he exists was important for day-to-day life - not so much these days. While I am not sure he exists but what I am sure about is that IT IS NOT IMPORTANT TO BELIEVE HE EXISTS. I used to think that my day to day life being good or bad had a nexus with my believing - something that I now know is false. I think it's rather pompous and arrogant to think that the creator of the universe would be at my service in making sure I get a plot in Ruai.... and not at the service of the 32k african children who will die of malaria today. I have come to accept that the world has it's own rules and that I am responsible for my own fate(to a great extent) and when I am not... there is a reason called 'chance'. You know what? I would love to think he exists simply because the belief that he exists has been a very strong foundation of my life so far but I am aware that billions of people on the planet who don't believe as I believe/used to believe have their own foundations. I think if you socially live in a believing culture - it's best if you believed (or went with the flow) since life is too short to be always fighting.... my life is that way.... for a large part of my life I have lived in a socially believing world (always knew most was BS and wanted some kind of general theory that would marry my intellectual questions with what I felt/wanted to feel.... but that is not coming). So yes... that is the reason I take my kids to church since I am not the only one in question. I ask myself... what damage can it do? I think none and they grow up socially functional - why not? but for things that take out of the individual like planting seed, tithing , keshas, fasting - I have never engaged in them (even when I was believing since I thought they are relics of the past that only africans and left wing americans engage in)...on a funny note the first time I stayed 24 hours without sleep was during my wife's labour for our 1st born... have not done it again since then!
My point... the decision of whether to believe in God or not is personal and cannot be attacked. I personally think whether he exists or not is not important since this place moves on in exactly the same way for those who believe in him or not i.e. those who take on responsibility on themselves to act(regardless of motivation) generally do better than those who don't! if belief of God and his divine will and destiny compels you to act and be responsible for your future outcome... you will likely succeed.... same thing for the person who does not but acts and becomes responsible for their future outcome.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
washiku
#12 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2016 1:37:53 PM
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masukuma wrote:
washiku wrote:
@Masukuma, the stories aside, do you believe God exists? Would you or do you take your kids to church?

Declaration of Interest: I am a firm believer that God Exists.

I used to believe God exists and used to believe that believing that he exists was important for day-to-day life - not so much these days. While I am not sure he exists but what I am sure about is that IT IS NOT IMPORTANT TO BELIEVE HE EXISTS. I used to think that my day to day life being good or bad had a nexus with my believing - something that I now know is false. I think it's rather pompous and arrogant to think that the creator of the universe would be at my service in making sure I get a plot in Ruai.... and not at the service of the 32k african children who will die of malaria today. I have come to accept that the world has it's own rules and that I am responsible for my own fate(to a great extent) and when I am not... there is a reason called 'chance'. You know what? I would love to think he exists simply because the belief that he exists has been a very strong foundation of my life so far but I am aware that billions of people on the planet who don't believe as I believe/used to believe have their own foundations. I think if you socially live in a believing culture - it's best if you believed (or went with the flow) since life is too short to be always fighting.... my life is that way.... for a large part of my life I have lived in a socially believing world (always knew most was BS and wanted some kind of general theory that would marry my intellectual questions with what I felt/wanted to feel.... but that is not coming). So yes... that is the reason I take my kids to church since I am not the only one in question. I ask myself... what damage can it do? I think none and they grow up socially functional - why not? but for things that take out of the individual like planting seed, tithing , keshas, fasting - I have never engaged in them (even when I was believing since I thought they are relics of the past that only africans and left wing americans engage in)...on a funny note the first time I stayed 24 hours without sleep was during my wife's labour for our 1st born... have not done it again since then!
My point... the decision of whether to believe in God or not is personal and cannot be attacked. I personally think whether he exists or not is not important since this place moves on in exactly the same way for those who believe in him or not i.e. those who take on responsibility on themselves to act(regardless of motivation) generally do better than those who don't! if belief of God and his divine will and destiny compels you to act and be responsible for your future outcome... you will likely succeed.... same thing for the person who does not but acts and becomes responsible for their future outcome.


Okay. smile smile
Thitifini
#13 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2016 1:39:49 PM
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masukuma wrote:
washiku wrote:
@Masukuma, the stories aside, do you believe God exists? Would you or do you take your kids to church?

Declaration of Interest: I am a firm believer that God Exists.



....,,,,, So yes... that is the reason I take my kids to church since I am not the only one in question. I ask myself... what damage can it do? I think none and they grow up socially functional - why not?.......


Applause Applause Applause Applause Let them make a choice of their own.

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masukuma
#14 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2016 2:08:45 PM
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Thitifini wrote:
masukuma wrote:
washiku wrote:
@Masukuma, the stories aside, do you believe God exists? Would you or do you take your kids to church?

Declaration of Interest: I am a firm believer that God Exists.



....,,,,, So yes... that is the reason I take my kids to church since I am not the only one in question. I ask myself... what damage can it do? I think none and they grow up socially functional - why not?.......


Applause Applause Applause Applause Let them make a choice of their own.

I actually don't think these are really matters of life and death!! we just make them matters of life and death!! We get born into many many things... things that are not our choices, Ethnic groups, races, nationalities, religions e.t.c. i think it's really daft to fight others over things you really had nothing to do with yourself.

a funny comment I heard the other day.... we are all atheists... to all but 1 God. For example... do you really think Hannuman is a God? or Brahma, Shiva and Vishnu? or Buddha? is Thor a god to you? or Ba'al? or Zeus? Some here don't believe Yahweh is God or Allah - right? We are all Atheistic to all but 1 God.... All atheists have done is just gone one step further!

Anyway... watoto watajipanga!
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
timuka
#15 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2016 2:46:45 PM
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masukuma wrote:
washiku wrote:
@Masukuma, the stories aside, do you believe God exists? Would you or do you take your kids to church?

Declaration of Interest: I am a firm believer that God Exists.

I used to believe God exists and used to believe that believing that he exists was important for day-to-day life - not so much these days. While I am not sure he exists but what I am sure about is that IT IS NOT IMPORTANT TO BELIEVE HE EXISTS. I used to think that my day to day life being good or bad had a nexus with my believing - something that I now know is false. I think it's rather pompous and arrogant to think that the creator of the universe would be at my service in making sure I get a plot in Ruai.... and not at the service of the 32k african children who will die of malaria today. I have come to accept that the world has it's own rules and that I am responsible for my own fate(to a great extent) and when I am not... there is a reason called 'chance'. You know what? I would love to think he exists simply because the belief that he exists has been a very strong foundation of my life so far but I am aware that billions of people on the planet who don't believe as I believe/used to believe have their own foundations. I think if you socially live in a believing culture - it's best if you believed (or went with the flow) since life is too short to be always fighting.... my life is that way.... for a large part of my life I have lived in a socially believing world (always knew most was BS and wanted some kind of general theory that would marry my intellectual questions with what I felt/wanted to feel.... but that is not coming). So yes... that is the reason I take my kids to church since I am not the only one in question. I ask myself... what damage can it do? I think none and they grow up socially functional - why not? but for things that take out of the individual like planting seed, tithing , keshas, fasting - I have never engaged in them (even when I was believing since I thought they are relics of the past that only africans and left wing americans engage in)...on a funny note the first time I stayed 24 hours without sleep was during my wife's labour for our 1st born... have not done it again since then!
My point... the decision of whether to believe in God or not is personal and cannot be attacked. I personally think whether he exists or not is not important since this place moves on in exactly the same way for those who believe in him or not i.e. those who take on responsibility on themselves to act(regardless of motivation) generally do better than those who don't! if belief of God and his divine will and destiny compels you to act and be responsible for your future outcome... you will likely succeed.... same thing for the person who does not but acts and becomes responsible for their future outcome.


Applause Applause Applause
Lolest!
#16 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2016 3:06:43 PM
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BROKEN NEWS:Mathukuma finally comes out

Comes out as an agnostic
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masukuma
#17 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2016 3:23:40 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
BROKEN NEWS:Mathukuma finally comes out

Comes out as an agnostic

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly ... here we go with the labels...... I guess if I could be labelled I would be an agnostic... a religious agnostic! I wish it was different... I really do! but once you have swallowed the blue pill.... hakuna reverse gear... going back would be intellectual suicide or deception of the most dreadful type - self deception.... I guess this Kinda reminds me of that fellow called Charles Templeton - look him up! .... but choices have consequences.... even deciding to 'come out' has it's consequences.
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tycho
#18 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2016 3:31:48 PM
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Is belief, in anything, important or even necessary?
masukuma
#19 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2016 3:39:52 PM
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tycho wrote:
Is belief, in anything, important or even necessary?

I guess belief that leads to ACTION is very important!! Belief that leads to INACTION or requires some kind of magic act... sprinkle some X here, chant a few words there, give money to an unrelated person e.t.c then stay passive until something happens is irresponsible!
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Swenani
#20 Posted : Tuesday, January 26, 2016 3:51:09 PM
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tycho wrote:
Is belief, in anything, important or even necessary?

how would life be without beliefs?
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