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Elliott Wave Analysis Of The NSE 20
mlennyma
#1361 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 3:59:35 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
hisah wrote:
Spikes wrote:
hisah wrote:
2016 critical signal reminder.

This year's currency theme is the yuan. Should the USDCNY rate zoom past 6.83 (GFC peg level) serious damage will ensue across board as the USD strength squeeze everyone!

How will KE deal with this nasty curve ball when gok has already mismanaged its cash position!?! If gok forces money to be printed (elections "goodies" - fiscal indiscipline etc) KES will be hammered very badly.

My view is NSE20 will still test 3300 or overshoot to 3000 before we get money rushing into the market again.


Atleast six months from now for NSE20 to test 3300 points seabed. It will be gradual and not with a bang.

Isn't it weird that CGT is no longer applicable from 2016, but equities can't mount a rocket rally d'oh! Brick wall

Isn't it weird that IF tax-free bonds subscription is poor since Dec 2015??

KE confidence is on trial. If investors don't feel confident with the investment environment bulls don't have a chance. Foreigners are busying chasing the USD rocket. GoK has an uphill task on convincing them to stay put. USD for now is like a huge ship while KES is a boat. You can't notice the boat out in the sea, but you can easily spot the ship...

In the meantime as the market discounts value stocks, we welcome it's generosity for it doesn't last for too long smile

The low(er) oil prices will benefit many firms eg. KK, KQ [well, if they haven't got crazy upside-down hedges], Unga, etc that rely on transport.


Everything regarding KE is not looking good. It is very hard to envision where a bull run is going to sprout from. A lot of drawbacks are yet to be resolved. 2016 will be a strong bear year we had better get acquainted to that fact.
The broad market will suffer (price of shares) including the shares of profitable firms. Nevertheless, for those who can buy and afford to wait... some firms will do better than others.

if we waited after the 2007 violence,i don't see any big deal provided we don't fight again,i was inspired by some syria investors still buying into stocks although their market has almost collapsed hoping some day fortunes will change
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
VituVingiSana
#1362 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 5:37:26 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
hisah wrote:
Spikes wrote:
hisah wrote:
2016 critical signal reminder.

This year's currency theme is the yuan. Should the USDCNY rate zoom past 6.83 (GFC peg level) serious damage will ensue across board as the USD strength squeeze everyone!

How will KE deal with this nasty curve ball when gok has already mismanaged its cash position!?! If gok forces money to be printed (elections "goodies" - fiscal indiscipline etc) KES will be hammered very badly.

My view is NSE20 will still test 3300 or overshoot to 3000 before we get money rushing into the market again.


Atleast six months from now for NSE20 to test 3300 points seabed. It will be gradual and not with a bang.

Isn't it weird that CGT is no longer applicable from 2016, but equities can't mount a rocket rally d'oh! Brick wall

Isn't it weird that IF tax-free bonds subscription is poor since Dec 2015??

KE confidence is on trial. If investors don't feel confident with the investment environment bulls don't have a chance. Foreigners are busying chasing the USD rocket. GoK has an uphill task on convincing them to stay put. USD for now is like a huge ship while KES is a boat. You can't notice the boat out in the sea, but you can easily spot the ship...

In the meantime as the market discounts value stocks, we welcome it's generosity for it doesn't last for too long smile

The low(er) oil prices will benefit many firms eg. KK, KQ [well, if they haven't got crazy upside-down hedges], Unga, etc that rely on transport.


Everything regarding KE is not looking good. It is very hard to envision where a bull run is going to sprout from. A lot of drawbacks are yet to be resolved. 2016 will be a strong bear year we had better get acquainted to that fact.
The broad market will suffer (price of shares) including the shares of profitable firms. Nevertheless, for those who can buy and afford to wait... some firms will do better than others.

if we waited after the 2007 violence,i don't see any big deal provided we don't fight again,i was inspired by some syria investors still buying into stocks although their market has almost collapsed hoping some day fortunes will change

Hope is not a strategy [though I employ it often]. An election year is fraught with tension thus bargains can be picked up. Why buy in 2016 when one can buy in 2017 for the same price? In 2016, put the cash 14% in T-Bills for 1 year.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Aguytrying
#1363 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:26:58 AM
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@VVS. because we can't predict the future, 2016 may be the year to buy. Those well laid plans can turn upside down. Coz the market had a mind of its own. The best way is to be guided by valuations of the stocks one wants to buy and strike when they are met.
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VituVingiSana
#1364 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 1:54:38 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
@VVS. because we can't predict the future, 2016 may be the year to buy. Those well laid plans can turn upside down. Coz the market had a mind of its own. The best way is to be guided by valuations of the stocks one wants to buy and strike when they are met.

Of course, timing is not easy BUT this is Kenya where the usual drama will be in play.

If GoK loosens the taps [increases liquidity] by printing money then the interest rates in 2017 will drop while folks have a 'feel good' feeling but there's a price to pay.

I will stick with 'save' in T-Bonds during 2016 [there are some bargains] and buy in mid-2017 waiting for 2018.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mnandii
#1365 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:50:43 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
@VVS. because we can't predict the future, 2016 may be the year to buy. Those well laid plans can turn upside down. Coz the market had a mind of its own. The best way is to be guided by valuations of the stocks one wants to buy and strike when they are met.


Shame on you
The future can be predicted with reasonable accuracy. That is why one year ago I stated that stocks would be in a bear market and hence this thread in the first place. You just have to know what to look for.
Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
Aguytrying
#1366 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:23:56 AM
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mnandii wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@VVS. because we can't predict the future, 2016 may be the year to buy. Those well laid plans can turn upside down. Coz the market had a mind of its own. The best way is to be guided by valuations of the stocks one wants to buy and strike when they are met.


Shame on you
The future can be predicted with reasonable accuracy. That is why one year ago I stated that stocks would be in a bear market and hence this thread in the first place. You just have to know what to look for.


I do not believe in predicting the future to make investment decisions, even you cant say exactly with total accuracy of when events will happen.

My strategy is to use valuations/fundamentals and let the future take care of itself.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
bird_man
#1367 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:06:22 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
mnandii wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@VVS. because we can't predict the future, 2016 may be the year to buy. Those well laid plans can turn upside down. Coz the market had a mind of its own. The best way is to be guided by valuations of the stocks one wants to buy and strike when they are met.


Shame on you
The future can be predicted with reasonable accuracy. That is why one year ago I stated that stocks would be in a bear market and hence this thread in the first place. You just have to know what to look for.


I do not believe in predicting the future to make investment decisions, even you cant say exactly with total accuracy of when events will happen.

My strategy is to use valuations/fundamentals and let the future take care of itself.


Really?Make money now from TBills. Its rather obvious the rates are going up unless the GOK prints money.Foreign loan repayments due soon,your Governor will mis-use funds as usual and ask for more,civil servants will strike and will have to be paid since elections are nearby.....basically the GOK is pretty F'ed.Stocks are very very unlikely to rally till after elections.

Only problem now is oversubscription.
Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
Spikes
#1368 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 9:05:08 PM
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bird_man wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
mnandii wrote:
[quote=Aguytrying]@VVS. because we can't predict the future, 2016 may be the year to buy. Those well laid plans can turn upside down. Coz the market had a mind of its own. The best way is to be guided by valuations of the stocks one wants to buy and strike when they are met.


Shame on you
The future can be predicted with reasonable accuracy. That is why one year ago I stated that stocks would be in a bear market and hence this thread in the first place. You just have to know what to look for.


I do not believe in predicting the future to make investment decisions, even you cant say exactly with total accuracy of when events will happen.

My strategy is to use valuations/fundamentals and let the future take care of itself.


Really?Make money now from TBills. Its rather obvious the rates are going up unless the GOK prints money.Foreign loan repayments due soon,your Governor will mis-use funds as usual and ask for more,civil servants will strike and will have to be paid since elections are nearby.....basically the GOK is pretty F'ed.Stocks are very very unlikely to rally till after elections.

Only problem now is oversubscription.
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Aguytrying
#1369 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 9:44:43 PM
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bird_man wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
mnandii wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@VVS. because we can't predict the future, 2016 may be the year to buy. Those well laid plans can turn upside down. Coz the market had a mind of its own. The best way is to be guided by valuations of the stocks one wants to buy and strike when they are met.


Shame on you
The future can be predicted with reasonable accuracy. That is why one year ago I stated that stocks would be in a bear market and hence this thread in the first place. You just have to know what to look for.


I do not believe in predicting the future to make investment decisions, even you cant say exactly with total accuracy of when events will happen.

My strategy is to use valuations/fundamentals and let the future take care of itself.


Really?Make money now from TBills. Its rather obvious the rates are going up unless the GOK prints money.Foreign loan repayments due soon,your Governor will mis-use funds as usual and ask for more,civil servants will strike and will have to be paid since elections are nearby.....basically the GOK is pretty F'ed.Stocks are very very unlikely to rally till after elections.

Only problem now is oversubscription.


I'm maintaining/buying my t bills/mmf at 30-40%. And buying stocks when they reach my valuation thresholds.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
hisah
#1370 Posted : Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:43:49 AM
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NSE20 seems to be giving up the 4000 support fight. Major support now turning into resistance. Heading lower with targets at 3300 - 3500 with an overshoot at 3000.

Golden handcuffs lesson still remains active in the 3 counters (britam, equity & centum) from Sept 2014. Best class for those that learn from this lesson.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
mnandii
#1371 Posted : Thursday, January 14, 2016 6:38:45 AM
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Extreme pessimism in oil. Time for it to rally some.
Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
mnandii
#1372 Posted : Thursday, January 14, 2016 6:42:54 AM
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hisah wrote:
NSE20 seems to be giving up the 4000 support fight. Major support now turning into resistance. Heading lower with targets at 3300 - 3500 with an overshoot at 3000.

Golden handcuffs lesson still remains active in the 3 counters (britam, equity & centum) from Sept 2014. Best class for those that learn from this lesson.


Yess! My wave count suggests that once 3830 gives way then it will be a bloodbath. Pray
Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
mnandii
#1373 Posted : Thursday, January 14, 2016 6:46:26 AM
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KESUSD has been range bound around 102. Extpecting a quick drop below 100 soon ie strength to KES, weakness to USD.
Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
Aguytrying
#1374 Posted : Thursday, January 14, 2016 11:15:17 AM
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mnandii wrote:
hisah wrote:
NSE20 seems to be giving up the 4000 support fight. Major support now turning into resistance. Heading lower with targets at 3300 - 3500 with an overshoot at 3000.

Golden handcuffs lesson still remains active in the 3 counters (britam, equity & centum) from Sept 2014. Best class for those that learn from this lesson.


Yess! My wave count suggests that once 3830 gives way then it will be a bloodbath. Pray


This should Coincide with safcom, BAT, equity, EABL taking a plunge. Except equity. The others have barely moved since the bear started
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VituVingiSana
#1375 Posted : Thursday, January 14, 2016 11:44:35 AM
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mnandii wrote:
KESUSD has been range bound around 102. Extpecting a quick drop below 100 soon ie strength to KES, weakness to USD.
Kenya is better served with lower interest rates than a 'stronger' KES. Our farmers, industrialists, home owners, banks and even KRA/GoK benefit more from lower interest rates vs a stronger KES which just encourages imports of consumables.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mnandii
#1376 Posted : Thursday, January 14, 2016 4:16:10 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
mnandii wrote:
hisah wrote:
NSE20 seems to be giving up the 4000 support fight. Major support now turning into resistance. Heading lower with targets at 3300 - 3500 with an overshoot at 3000.

Golden handcuffs lesson still remains active in the 3 counters (britam, equity & centum) from Sept 2014. Best class for those that learn from this lesson.


Yess! My wave count suggests that once 3830 gives way then it will be a bloodbath. Pray


This should Coincide with safcom, BAT, equity, EABL taking a plunge. Except equity. The others have barely moved since the bear started


Per investing.com NSE 20 share Index closes at 3835.
Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
mnandii
#1377 Posted : Thursday, January 14, 2016 6:30:17 PM
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The fact of the NSE 20 Share index gropping for below 3830 gives me confidence that the bear market in stocks is here to stay and will likely get worse. It should be awakening call for most.



The NSE 20 Share Index started its journey in 1966 at 100. The data available to me on the index is as shown in the chart above from ft.com. The most important thing is that the data fits perfectly into Elliott Waves as they should (after all we are tracking mass human psychology). From this we can proceed to 'predict' the future!

Wave (A) ended at 2360.01 in Mar', 2009.
Wave (B) ended at 5499.64 in Mar', 2015.
The preferred Elliott count suggests that the fall from the 5499.64 level is a wave (C) which has much further to drop.

We can target the final low for the NSE 20 share index which I expect to occur probably in 2017.

Assuming that the movement from 100 to the ultimate high of 6161.46 (on Jan', 2007) is one major Impulse wave, then the waves (A), (B) and (C) are its correction (a wave two). Second waves usually retrace a Fibonacci 61.8 or 78.6% of wave one. Thus:

{6161.46 -( 0.618 X (6161.46 - 100))} = 2415.48

And

{6161.46 - ( 0.786 X (6161 - 100))} = 1397.15


Also, if wave (C) be equal to wave (A) then:

Wave (C) bottom = { 5499.64 - (6161.46-2360.01) } = 1698.19

So targets for wave (C) and thus the ultimate bottom for the NSE 20 Share Index are 2415.48, 1698.19 or 1397.15.

The alternate scenario is that wave (B) is not complete and thus a move above 5499.64 is in the cards. I give this scenario a low probability since the proposed wave (B) would appear too stretched.

Analysis of the shorter term will show in these pages soon.

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hisah
#1378 Posted : Friday, January 15, 2016 4:21:18 PM
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S&P 500 futures points to heavy selling when NY session opens in 70 minutes from now. Dangerously sitting at support levels set in Aug 2015 when panic selling was extreme. If this floor breaks today, next week will see global indices head to the bunkers!
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#1379 Posted : Friday, January 15, 2016 7:17:12 PM
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As expected NY session is a sea of red...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
whiteowl
#1380 Posted : Friday, January 15, 2016 9:06:27 PM
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hisah wrote:
As expected NY session is a sea of red...


The whole world is red today
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