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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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[quote=¿]Can Africa Compete with China in Manufacturing? - https://www.swarthmore.e...titiveness.feb%2021.pdf[/quote] I have a problem with the assumption that Africa and China can be compared in reasonable terms. First of all Africa is a generalization of Nation states without a consistent and unified policy across them, China is one nation state. Africa can't come up with a policy or policies against/with China unless it's on very general terms under AU. Then again if the issue is competitive advantage, only a self defining entity can figure out what to do and it doesn't have to be predefined. It's something that emerges from soul searching. This paper you've shared with us seems to assume we're also striving to keep up with the Jones's. Then, in the world of manufacturing is it China that's involved, or is it Chinese originated corporations? Corporations in my opinion, are very responsible for changing competitive situations. They create new laws more than any parliament does. Governments can only obey corporations. So that question of Africa versus China isn't fair, or even necessary.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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tycho wrote:I have a problem with the assumption that Africa and China can be compared in reasonable terms. First of all Africa is a generalization of Nation states without a consistent and unified policy across them, China is one nation state. Africa can't come up with a policy or policies against/with China unless it's on very general terms under AU. Then again if the issue is competitive advantage, only a self defining entity can figure out what to do and it doesn't have to be predefined. It's something that emerges from soul searching. This paper you've shared with us seems to assume we're also striving to keep up with the Jones's. Then, in the world of manufacturing is it China that's involved, or is it Chinese originated corporations? Corporations in my opinion, are very responsible for changing competitive situations. They create new laws more than any parliament does. Governments can only obey corporations. So that question of Africa versus China isn't fair, or even necessary. Good for you. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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¿ wrote:tycho wrote:I have a problem with the assumption that Africa and China can be compared in reasonable terms. First of all Africa is a generalization of Nation states without a consistent and unified policy across them, China is one nation state. Africa can't come up with a policy or policies against/with China unless it's on very general terms under AU. Then again if the issue is competitive advantage, only a self defining entity can figure out what to do and it doesn't have to be predefined. It's something that emerges from soul searching. This paper you've shared with us seems to assume we're also striving to keep up with the Jones's. Then, in the world of manufacturing is it China that's involved, or is it Chinese originated corporations? Corporations in my opinion, are very responsible for changing competitive situations. They create new laws more than any parliament does. Governments can only obey corporations. So that question of Africa versus China isn't fair, or even necessary. Good for you. I just laughed when I read the paper... I first thought someone had subscribed to some online joke propagation service.. I counter checked my browser address bar (like 2 times) coz the page I was in looked very much like wazua but the content was rather funny! has ¿ ever considered a career in comedy? some comics on churchill live would really love to have some of his/her mojo rub on them. This is what is classically known as an ever green joke... you can say it as many times as you can and it does not lose it's humour!! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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masukuma wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:I have a problem with the assumption that Africa and China can be compared in reasonable terms. First of all Africa is a generalization of Nation states without a consistent and unified policy across them, China is one nation state. Africa can't come up with a policy or policies against/with China unless it's on very general terms under AU. Then again if the issue is competitive advantage, only a self defining entity can figure out what to do and it doesn't have to be predefined. It's something that emerges from soul searching. This paper you've shared with us seems to assume we're also striving to keep up with the Jones's. Then, in the world of manufacturing is it China that's involved, or is it Chinese originated corporations? Corporations in my opinion, are very responsible for changing competitive situations. They create new laws more than any parliament does. Governments can only obey corporations. So that question of Africa versus China isn't fair, or even necessary. Good for you. I just laughed when I read the paper... I first thought someone had subscribed to some online joke propagation service.. I counter checked my browser address bar (like 2 times) coz the page I was in looked very much like wazua but the content was rather funny! has ¿ ever considered a career in comedy? some comics on churchill live would really love to have some of his/her mojo rub on them. This is what is classically known as an ever green joke... you can say it as many times as you can and it does not lose it's humour!! Ladies and gentlemen, 'intellectuals'. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:Rankaz13 wrote:hardwood wrote:I think to stimulate local manufacturing we should start with the basics such as shoes, handkerchiefs, socks, shirts, underwear etc. Surely manufacturing these items isn't rocket science. Why export skins and hides to India and china and then import 'fake leather' shoes from them? I was shocked to find that that nearly all the shoes at Bata shops are made in India and China. Does it mean that in year 2016, no single Kenyan can manage to manufacture a handkerchief and we have to import from china? Even the masai shukas are all from china.  I concur. We could commence with agriculture-based industries e.g. wine from potatoes (it's done in Scotland), fabrics from cotton and silk farming, etc etc. A young man in Meru is producing wine from Miraa. This thing we call Muratina, Busaa, Kaluvu, (All use natural grown stuff) should have gone industrial by now. bado we are asking/expecting people who are not in those industries to grow them? A product is not a company, a company is not an industry nor is it a market place. Just because you built something does not mean or translate to the whole world falling at your feet. You sound very frustrated these days, hows your "Afya Band" doing? Actually I expected to see you feature on slim possible. I just hope your disappointments are not the reason you are al negative these days. Can you sell? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:Rankaz13 wrote:hardwood wrote:I think to stimulate local manufacturing we should start with the basics such as shoes, handkerchiefs, socks, shirts, underwear etc. Surely manufacturing these items isn't rocket science. Why export skins and hides to India and china and then import 'fake leather' shoes from them? I was shocked to find that that nearly all the shoes at Bata shops are made in India and China. Does it mean that in year 2016, no single Kenyan can manage to manufacture a handkerchief and we have to import from china? Even the masai shukas are all from china. I concur. We could commence with agriculture-based industries e.g. wine from potatoes (it's done in Scotland), fabrics from cotton and silk farming, etc etc. A young man in Meru is producing wine from Miraa. This thing we call Muratina, Busaa, Kaluvu, (All use natural grown stuff) should have gone industrial by now. bado we are asking/expecting people who are not in those industries to grow them? A product is not a company, a company is not an industry nor is it a market place. Just because you built something does not mean or translate to the whole world falling at your feet. You sound very frustrated these days, hows your "Afya Band" doing? Actually I expected to see you feature on slim possible. I just hope your disappointments are not the reason you are al negative these days. Can you sell? well.... I am actually writing from my experiences and not theories. I am not 'negative'... just reality without rose tinted goggles All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:Rankaz13 wrote:hardwood wrote:I think to stimulate local manufacturing we should start with the basics such as shoes, handkerchiefs, socks, shirts, underwear etc. Surely manufacturing these items isn't rocket science. Why export skins and hides to India and china and then import 'fake leather' shoes from them? I was shocked to find that that nearly all the shoes at Bata shops are made in India and China. Does it mean that in year 2016, no single Kenyan can manage to manufacture a handkerchief and we have to import from china? Even the masai shukas are all from china. I concur. We could commence with agriculture-based industries e.g. wine from potatoes (it's done in Scotland), fabrics from cotton and silk farming, etc etc. A young man in Meru is producing wine from Miraa. This thing we call Muratina, Busaa, Kaluvu, (All use natural grown stuff) should have gone industrial by now. bado we are asking/expecting people who are not in those industries to grow them? A product is not a company, a company is not an industry nor is it a market place. Just because you built something does not mean or translate to the whole world falling at your feet. You sound very frustrated these days, hows your "Afya Band" doing? Actually I expected to see you feature on slim possible. I just hope your disappointments are not the reason you are al negative these days. Can you sell? well.... I am actually writing from my experiences and not theories. I am not 'negative'... just reality without rose tinted goggles You are bitter and its very manifest. I guess now you know what they teach at THE is just theory, well....here is reality, you have to walk bear feet nothing comes easy ask everyone who's made it the secret is in the selling not in creating the product. A good example Nexus (the mobile phone). On your FB page I see you have 188 likes (i guess your friends) I also notice someone asking what is this Afyaband.. Now, let me continue advising you, increase activity, January is the month where most people are motivated to work out for starters Wazuans please like @masukuma's Afyabands page https://www.facebook.com/AfyaBand/?fref=ts hopefully one day he shall bring production of this item home and create employment Masukush, facebook upgraded market places so that you can quote your price...haya fanya mambo and am sure many here of goodwill will back you "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:You are bitter and its very manifest. I guess now you know what they teach at THE is just theory, well....here is reality, you have to walk bear feet nothing comes easy ask everyone who's made it the secret is in the selling not in creating the product. A good example Nexus (the mobile phone). On your FB page I see you have 188 likes (i guess your friends) I also notice someone asking what is this Afyaband.. Now, let me continue advising you, increase activity, January is the month where most people are motivated to work out for starters Wazuans please like @masukuma's Afyabands page https://www.facebook.com/AfyaBand/?fref=ts hopefully one day he shall bring production of this item home and create employment Masukush, facebook upgraded market places so that you can quote your price...haya fanya mambo and am sure many here of goodwill will back you Your advice is wonderful and definitely something I have not thought of before... thanks for the great insight. Now let's go back to manufacturing and it's nexus with Kenya. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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