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kysse wrote:tycho wrote:
And God further disintegrates. His permissive will is fertile ground for the pleader's imagination and cries.
For people who dislike reality,fear processes,preferring shortcuts
Who needs his perfect will?I do,we all should even though it's painful at times, but the results are long-lasting and work for our own good and those around us.
No. God disintegrates for you too, but for the sake of those who 'prefer shortcuts'. Is reality an objective fact? I doubt it. Every time we are constructing it through sharing and conversation, through politics and power games. Imagine the Deist conversing with the normal theist, won't the latter receive the same accusations as we are levelling against those who go to 'helicopter'? One is reasonably expected to love the lovable, to expect one to love the 'unlovable', is perhaps to expect too much. For example, 'down' in the slums you'll find many suffering from poverty and disease, many only hear of education from afar. What's God's perfect will for them? Are their cries a desire for shortcuts? Is the pain of a disintegrating family God's perfect will? When you are in pain, you act fast for relief. After all, don't we chastise those 'believers' who prefer not to go to hospital when sick? Everything it seems, is about politics and indoctrination.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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tycho wrote:Is reality an objective fact? yes I doubt it. Every time we are constructing it through sharing and conversation, through politics and power games. that doesn't stop it from being objective.Imagine the Deist conversing with the normal theist, won't the latter receive the same accusations as we are levelling against those who go to 'helicopter'? Find out the gauge used before you call it judgement.FYI,the bible says that we are already judged.
A man of God will use the Bible as his gauge against the non-believer who will call it judgement, forgetting that it was written wrong long before he was born.So no we do not judge,the word already did when God spoke it.One is reasonably expected to love the lovable, to expect one to love the 'unlovable', is perhaps to expect too much. The unlovable make themselves unlovable by their acts,character,words.Their personality makes them either attractive or not.Don't be a victim because we don't fall in love with features, but the person carrying them.
For example, 'down' in the slums you'll find many suffering from poverty and disease, many only hear of education from afar. What's God's perfect will for them? Are their cries a desire for shortcuts? GOD IS NOT A RESPECTER OF PERSONS.
He will not offer sympathy to the poor just because they are poor nor to the rich because they hand out huge chunks to charity.
We are all equal before God.His love for the poor is similar to his love for the rich.
I repeat,Conditions and ones'circumstances don't move God,only a broken and a contrite spirit he will not despise.
The poor must desire to fair better by using their brains and God given resources to stop suffering.
PRAYERS DON'T KICK OUT POVERTY,Hardwork does.
God himself commands us not to eat if we don't work.
Do not therefore contradict His word by going to Him in prayer,instead rise up early, pick your tools and go work is His answer.
And Richness is not the goal here,purpose is.
Is the pain of a disintegrating family God's perfect will? When you are in pain, you act fast for relief. After all, don't we chastise those 'believers' who prefer not to go to hospital when sick? C'mmon tycho,God doesn't delight in evil.We humans mess up his perfect plan for us and when we suffer as a result, we call God a 'sadist'.
When you see a disintergrating family,get to the root cause first.You will discover it's human mistake,but we love scapegoats and who else except God?.Everything it seems, is about politics and indoctrination. Yes.But who/what indocrinates you?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Kysse, can you show that all people who work hard aren't poor? And that all poor people don't work hard?
I say people are poor because wages are low and sticky, markets unavailable, and knowledge and information unevenly distributed. And this is because of how Man relates with God.
Since reality is negotiated on a global scale and without a common understanding of the 'ultimate' or 'universal good' only selfish interest is advanced.
Selfish interest is overcome when Man turns to God first, before anything else. This is the cornerstone of objectivity. So the reality you're talking about can't be objective.
Humanity depends on the family, and the family on an ultimate value of goodness and meaning. Wedding vows are commitment to higher ideals, and that's why one has to revert to this ultimacy in times of crisis.
And people turn to God through prayer. Everything needs prayer. Even investigations. The other day I saw on T.V. that most investigations by the Kenyan police are inconclusive. Do you know why? You can't conduct proper investigations when under selfish interest. The investigator must seek God.
It's possible for a Man to be free. And as Man God I'm free of indoctrination. I know where I am in relation to God, I walk with him.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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"I know where I am in relation to God, I walk with him."
Tycho,
Please clarify. Shouldn't you just walk?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:
"I know where I am in relation to God, I walk with him."
Tycho,
Please clarify. Shouldn't you just walk?
Thank you. Dance, not walk. And blow.
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