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Unga FY 2015 results profit up 31%
mugo2of3
#41 Posted : Wednesday, December 30, 2015 7:50:56 PM
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The good people at Wazua, does anyone have any information as to what is up with this counter? It has just printed a 52-week low..
VituVingiSana
#42 Posted : Wednesday, December 30, 2015 9:06:14 PM
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mugo2of3 wrote:
The good people at Wazua, does anyone have any information as to what is up with this counter? It has just printed a 52-week low..

Thin trading at the end of the year. I tried to pick up a few but very few on offer at these prices. I'll try kesho.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
enyands
#43 Posted : Wednesday, December 30, 2015 9:58:16 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
mugo2of3 wrote:
The good people at Wazua, does anyone have any information as to what is up with this counter? It has just printed a 52-week low..

Thin trading at the end of the year. I tried to pick up a few but very few on offer at these prices. I'll try kesho.



Hey prof analyzer I'm waiting for your comments on cytonn thread
heri
#44 Posted : Monday, January 04, 2016 3:19:54 PM
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mugo2of3 wrote:
The good people at Wazua, does anyone have any information as to what is up with this counter? It has just printed a 52-week low..


what is happening in this counter? i bought at 38 and i am now wondering if i should average down ?
heri
#45 Posted : Monday, January 04, 2016 3:21:35 PM
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heri wrote:
mugo2of3 wrote:
The good people at Wazua, does anyone have any information as to what is up with this counter? It has just printed a 52-week low..


what is happening in this counter? i bought at 38 and i am now wondering if i should average down ?

but NIC platform is still down, so i cannot even place any orders
mlennyma
#46 Posted : Monday, January 04, 2016 3:31:16 PM
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heri wrote:
heri wrote:
mugo2of3 wrote:
The good people at Wazua, does anyone have any information as to what is up with this counter? It has just printed a 52-week low..


what is happening in this counter? i bought at 38 and i am now wondering if i should average down ?

but NIC platform is still down, so i cannot even place any orders

i have also been watching keenly but the volumes which trade to bring it down are very small to mean anything to me
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Aguytrying
#47 Posted : Monday, January 04, 2016 6:08:33 PM
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@VVS. Remind me of the 5 year period of dividend drought on this counter UNGA. What was happening, can it happen Again. I'm not clear on details but I know of the dividend drought
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heri
#48 Posted : Tuesday, January 05, 2016 12:31:40 PM
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This is a share which i think i went in at the wrong price

Having bought at 37 bob i feel i should have waited seeing that the PE at current price of 34 is still around 9 bob
VituVingiSana
#49 Posted : Tuesday, January 05, 2016 3:44:54 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
@VVS. Remind me of the 5 year period of dividend drought on this counter UNGA. What was happening, can it happen Again. I'm not clear on details but I know of the dividend drought

Of course, what happened earlier can happen again. Things change.
KCB was very profitable early on then it was (technically) bankrupt just a few years ago [Moi-era].
KQ was loss-making then profitable then loss-making.
Apple was almost bankrupt not so long ago.
TransCentury used to be profitable but now loss-making.
Uchumi was profitable, then almost died, was resurrected, then back to poverty.

Is there any other reason for Unga except the history 5 years ago?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Aguytrying
#50 Posted : Tuesday, January 05, 2016 4:43:09 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@VVS. Remind me of the 5 year period of dividend drought on this counter UNGA. What was happening, can it happen Again. I'm not clear on details but I know of the dividend drought

Of course, what happened earlier can happen again. Things change.
KCB was very profitable early on then it was (technically) bankrupt just a few years ago [Moi-era].
KQ was loss-making then profitable then loss-making.
Apple was almost bankrupt not so long ago.
TransCentury used to be profitable but now loss-making.
Uchumi was profitable, then almost died, was resurrected, then back to poverty.

Is there any other reason for Unga except the history 5 years ago?


But what happened that time? I wasn't following stocks then.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
VituVingiSana
#51 Posted : Tuesday, January 05, 2016 5:39:59 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@VVS. Remind me of the 5 year period of dividend drought on this counter UNGA. What was happening, can it happen Again. I'm not clear on details but I know of the dividend drought

Of course, what happened earlier can happen again. Things change.
KCB was very profitable early on then it was (technically) bankrupt just a few years ago [Moi-era].
KQ was loss-making then profitable then loss-making.
Apple was almost bankrupt not so long ago.
TransCentury used to be profitable but now loss-making.
Uchumi was profitable, then almost died, was resurrected, then back to poverty.

Is there any other reason for Unga except the history 5 years ago?


But what happened that time? I wasn't following stocks then.

I could write about it but it's not really relevant today since the market dynamics have changed.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Aguytrying
#52 Posted : Tuesday, January 05, 2016 10:28:50 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@VVS. Remind me of the 5 year period of dividend drought on this counter UNGA. What was happening, can it happen Again. I'm not clear on details but I know of the dividend drought

Of course, what happened earlier can happen again. Things change.
KCB was very profitable early on then it was (technically) bankrupt just a few years ago [Moi-era].
KQ was loss-making then profitable then loss-making.
Apple was almost bankrupt not so long ago.
TransCentury used to be profitable but now loss-making.
Uchumi was profitable, then almost died, was resurrected, then back to poverty.

Is there any other reason for Unga except the history 5 years ago?


But what happened that time? I wasn't following stocks then.

I could write about it but it's not really relevant today since the market dynamics have changed.


Thanks. I just remember a wazuan who had waited 5 yrs for a dividend when I was new to stocks
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
VituVingiSana
#53 Posted : Tuesday, January 05, 2016 10:43:40 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@VVS. Remind me of the 5 year period of dividend drought on this counter UNGA. What was happening, can it happen Again. I'm not clear on details but I know of the dividend drought

Of course, what happened earlier can happen again. Things change.
KCB was very profitable early on then it was (technically) bankrupt just a few years ago [Moi-era].
KQ was loss-making then profitable then loss-making.
Apple was almost bankrupt not so long ago.
TransCentury used to be profitable but now loss-making.
Uchumi was profitable, then almost died, was resurrected, then back to poverty.

Is there any other reason for Unga except the history 5 years ago?


But what happened that time? I wasn't following stocks then.

I could write about it but it's not really relevant today since the market dynamics have changed.


Thanks. I just remember a wazuan who had waited 5 yrs for a dividend when I was new to stocks
Dividends are important to some but some firms prefer not to pay dividends & then borrow e.g. Berkshire Hathaway and Centum. Mature firms eg BAT have high dividend payout ratios.

Unga is growing [& should not pay dividends] at the moment but at a 'leisurely' pace. I remain wary of its level of debt both KES & USD.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#54 Posted : Thursday, January 07, 2016 2:52:01 AM
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Good News: Maize flour price drops to Sh90 low on cheaper grain
http://www.businessdaily...4/-/yrd99l/-/index.html
Unga can trade the same volumes but with lower financing costs. Plus some Kenyans will go back to Unga products as the price differential between Unga's products & 'posho mills' reduces.

Bad News: One of the directors, Mary M’Mukindia, has been caught up in the BAT bribery scandal. Unga had a similar situation with Kiereini who was eased out by the Ndegwas post-CMC.
http://www.businessdaily...4/-/dkdoboz/-/index.html
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Arconnrk
#55 Posted : Thursday, January 07, 2016 9:47:29 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Good News: Maize flour price drops to Sh90 low on cheaper grain
http://www.businessdaily...4/-/yrd99l/-/index.html
Unga can trade the same volumes but with lower financing costs. Plus some Kenyans will go back to Unga products as the price differential between Unga's products & 'posho mills' reduces.

Bad News: One of the directors, Mary M’Mukindia, has been caught up in the BAT bribery scandal. Unga had a similar situation with Kiereini who was eased out by the Ndegwas post-CMC.
http://www.businessdaily.../-/dkdoboz/-/index.html


Sad! I hope they act swiftly, the worst response in bribery matters is to sit on the issue and hope it goes away. Especially if, like Unga, you hope to do lots of business with American Fastfood multinationals- the US anti-corruption investigators don't joke around as Goodyear discovered last year.

On a side note, I must start looking at the 'management fees' in Companies' accounts with a more cynical eye: according to the Independent article (link) that's the item under which BAT allegedly hid the bribes in its financial reports. The other was 'expenses incurred in anti-smuggling operations'.
Even the birds can testify...but you forget the chief has his son as the judge and his son-in-law as interpreter- Oumar Ba
VituVingiSana
#56 Posted : Friday, January 08, 2016 10:13:33 AM
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@Arconnrk - Unga pays Seaboard for services. At one time, Seaboard managed Unga Ltd [the subsidiary of Unga Holdings]. I hope all payments are 'clean' since Unga has no significant GoK dealings.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Arconnrk
#57 Posted : Saturday, February 20, 2016 2:03:37 AM
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Pizza Hut coming to Kenya according to news item I just watched. Will Unga be an 'exclusive supplier' as with KFC, Dominos and Nestle? Pray

Its not far-fetched since Yum Brands, the owners of the KFC brand, also own the Pizza hut brand. They may not want their east african franchisees to go with untested suppliers given the multiple disasters Yum had with food suppliers in China.





On the downside- as far as I know, the board-member we share with BAT has not been dealt with.
Even the birds can testify...but you forget the chief has his son as the judge and his son-in-law as interpreter- Oumar Ba
Arconnrk
#58 Posted : Saturday, February 20, 2016 2:08:53 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@Arconnrk - Unga pays Seaboard for services. At one time, Seaboard managed Unga Ltd [the subsidiary of Unga Holdings]. I hope all payments are 'clean' since Unga has no significant GoK dealings.


I hope so too. Unfortunately, like any food businesse= they have dealings with licensing and regulators from time to time- shake that tree hard enough and there's no telling what unexplained payment might fall out.
Even the birds can testify...but you forget the chief has his son as the judge and his son-in-law as interpreter- Oumar Ba
VituVingiSana
#59 Posted : Saturday, February 20, 2016 3:16:22 PM
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Arconnrk wrote:
Pizza Hut coming to Kenya according to news item I just watched. Will Unga be an 'exclusive supplier' as with KFC, Dominos and Nestle? Pray

Its not far-fetched since Yum Brands, the owners of the KFC brand, also own the Pizza hut brand. They may not want their east african franchisees to go with untested suppliers given the multiple disasters Yum had with food suppliers in China.





On the downside- as far as I know, the board-member we share with BAT has not been dealt with.

Already opened. Westgate and University Way.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Arconnrk
#60 Posted : Saturday, February 20, 2016 4:00:18 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Arconnrk wrote:
Pizza Hut coming to Kenya according to news item I just watched. Will Unga be an 'exclusive supplier' as with KFC, Dominos and Nestle? Pray

Its not far-fetched since Yum Brands, the owners of the KFC brand, also own the Pizza hut brand. They may not want their east african franchisees to go with untested suppliers given the multiple disasters Yum had with food suppliers in China.





On the downside- as far as I know, the board-member we share with BAT has not been dealt with.

Already opened. Westgate and University Way.


No kidding? All that's left really is the big 'M' of McDonalds to complete the American fastfood menu.
Even the birds can testify...but you forget the chief has his son as the judge and his son-in-law as interpreter- Oumar Ba
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