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Stock Picks for the Remaining Quarter of the year.
sparkly
#41 Posted : Saturday, December 12, 2015 6:39:34 PM
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Spikes wrote:
Delisting impossible! 100% agreed.


Bankruptcy/ liquidation is very possible, its the norm rather than exception in the airline industry.
Life is short. Live passionately.
obiero
#42 Posted : Saturday, December 12, 2015 6:55:09 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,549
Location: nairobi
sparkly wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Delisting impossible! 100% agreed.


Bankruptcy/ liquidation is very possible, its the norm rather than exception in the airline industry.

Generalisation wont help. The question here is simple and plain.. Will GoK allow KQ to be liquidated/declared bankrupt

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
hisah
#43 Posted : Saturday, December 12, 2015 8:06:00 PM
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Joined: 8/4/2010
Posts: 8,977
In a normal functional market with a sober regulator, KQ stock would have already been suspended from trading. The market regulator would've have been all over their face with tough measures on how they plan to dig out of the negative equity position. This stories about gok bailout are just stories! This firm should be let to fail.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
muandiwambeu
#44 Posted : Saturday, December 12, 2015 8:15:44 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 8/28/2015
Posts: 1,247
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Delisting impossible! 100% agreed.


Bankruptcy/ liquidation is very possible, its the norm rather than exception in the airline industry.

Generalisation wont help. The question here is simple and plain.. Will GoK allow KQ to be liquidated/declared bankrupt

Why not? The government of the day is preaching performance. Is it exceptional with KQ!
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
sparkly
#45 Posted : Saturday, December 12, 2015 8:33:29 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Delisting impossible! 100% agreed.


Bankruptcy/ liquidation is very possible, its the norm rather than exception in the airline industry.

Generalisation wont help. The question here is simple and plain.. Will GoK allow KQ to be liquidated/declared bankrupt


@Obiero you need help.

To start you off, there is the concept of the "seven step process of acceptance".

But worry not, you are at the bargaining phase, just one step from acceptance that your Money is gone... poof... gone.


Link
Life is short. Live passionately.
obiero
#46 Posted : Saturday, December 12, 2015 9:15:38 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,549
Location: nairobi
hisah wrote:
In a normal functional market with a sober regulator, KQ stock would have already been suspended from trading. The market regulator would've have been all over their face with tough measures on how they plan to dig out of the negative equity position. This stories about gok bailout are just stories! This firm should be let to fail.

The NSE is far from normal

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
obiero
#47 Posted : Saturday, December 12, 2015 9:18:28 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,549
Location: nairobi
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Delisting impossible! 100% agreed.


Bankruptcy/ liquidation is very possible, its the norm rather than exception in the airline industry.

Generalisation wont help. The question here is simple and plain.. Will GoK allow KQ to be liquidated/declared bankrupt


@Obiero you need help.

To start you off, there is the concept of the "seven step process of acceptance".

But worry not, you are at the bargaining phase, just one step from acceptance that your Money is gone... poof... gone.


Link

In stock investing, losing money is an aspect that must be considered. To me, thats not a lot of money, I wonder what all the fus is about. I also disclosed to wazua when I lost a property worth 2m in Kitengela.. Hizi vitu hufanyika!

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
sparkly
#48 Posted : Saturday, December 12, 2015 10:26:36 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Delisting impossible! 100% agreed.


Bankruptcy/ liquidation is very possible, its the norm rather than exception in the airline industry.

Generalisation wont help. The question here is simple and plain.. Will GoK allow KQ to be liquidated/declared bankrupt


@Obiero you need help.

To start you off, there is the concept of the "seven step process of acceptance".

But worry not, you are at the bargaining phase, just one step from acceptance that your Money is gone... poof... gone.


Link

In stock investing, losing money is an aspect that must be considered...


I disagree. Investing is about growth of money.

Minimum return when investing should be the risk free rate which is now ~13.5%.

Any "investment" entered without an expectation of a gain or even worse with an expectation of loss of capital is not an investment. It is a gamble/speculation just like happens in a casino.

The dictionary seems to agree...


in·vest /inˈvest/

verb

expend money with the expectation of achieving a profit or material result by putting it into financial schemes, shares, or property, or by using it to develop a commercial venture.
Life is short. Live passionately.
VituVingiSana
#49 Posted : Sunday, December 13, 2015 12:32:17 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,121
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Delisting impossible! 100% agreed.


Bankruptcy/ liquidation is very possible, its the norm rather than exception in the airline industry.

Generalisation wont help. The question here is simple and plain.. Will GoK allow KQ to be liquidated/declared bankrupt


@Obiero you need help.

To start you off, there is the concept of the "seven step process of acceptance".

But worry not, you are at the bargaining phase, just one step from acceptance that your Money is gone... poof... gone.


Link

In stock investing, losing money is an aspect that must be considered. To me, thats not a lot of money, I wonder what all the fus is about. I also disclosed to wazua when I lost a property worth 2m in Kitengela.. Hizi vitu hufanyika!

Warren Buffett's rules of investing.

1. Do not lose money.
2. Look at Rule 1.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#50 Posted : Sunday, December 13, 2015 4:51:32 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,549
Location: nairobi
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Delisting impossible! 100% agreed.


Bankruptcy/ liquidation is very possible, its the norm rather than exception in the airline industry.

Generalisation wont help. The question here is simple and plain.. Will GoK allow KQ to be liquidated/declared bankrupt


@Obiero you need help.

To start you off, there is the concept of the "seven step process of acceptance".

But worry not, you are at the bargaining phase, just one step from acceptance that your Money is gone... poof... gone.


Link

In stock investing, losing money is an aspect that must be considered...


I disagree. Investing is about growth of money.

Minimum return when investing should be the risk free rate which is now ~13.5%.

Any "investment" entered without an expectation of a gain or even worse with an expectation of loss of capital is not an investment. It is a gamble/speculation just like happens in a casino.

The dictionary seems to agree...


in·vest /inˈvest/

verb

expend money with the expectation of achieving a profit or material result by putting it into financial schemes, shares, or property, or by using it to develop a commercial venture.

SMH.. Clearly, you guys are lacking in content. Who mentioned that you expect a loss. The words wr, 'an aspect that must be considered'.. Shares rise, shares fall. Even Buffet himself takes massive knocks. Research a little, since the man himself has in 2015 lost over USD 2 billion in a deadly stocks slide and he is known to have said, ''unless you can watch your stock
holding decline by 50% without
becoming panic stricken, you should
not be in the stock market.”
1. WALMART: Buffet USD 390M loss
2. IBM: Buffet USD 500m loss
3. TESCO: Buffet USD 750m loss

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
sparkly
#51 Posted : Sunday, December 13, 2015 1:19:07 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Delisting impossible! 100% agreed.


Bankruptcy/ liquidation is very possible, its the norm rather than exception in the airline industry.

Generalisation wont help. The question here is simple and plain.. Will GoK allow KQ to be liquidated/declared bankrupt


@Obiero you need help.

To start you off, there is the concept of the "seven step process of acceptance".

But worry not, you are at the bargaining phase, just one step from acceptance that your Money is gone... poof... gone.


Link

In stock investing, losing money is an aspect that must be considered...


I disagree. Investing is about growth of money.

Minimum return when investing should be the risk free rate which is now ~13.5%.

Any "investment" entered without an expectation of a gain or even worse with an expectation of loss of capital is not an investment. It is a gamble/speculation just like happens in a casino.

The dictionary seems to agree...


in·vest /inˈvest/

verb

expend money with the expectation of achieving a profit or material result by putting it into financial schemes, shares, or property, or by using it to develop a commercial venture.

SMH.. Clearly, you guys are lacking in content. Who mentioned that you expect a loss. The words wr, 'an aspect that must be considered'.. Shares rise, shares fall. Even Buffet himself takes massive knocks. Research a little, since the man himself has in 2015 lost over USD 2 billion in a deadly stocks slide and he is known to have said, ''unless you can watch your stock
holding decline by 50% without
becoming panic stricken, you should
not be in the stock market.”
1. WALMART: Buffet USD 390M loss
2. IBM: Buffet USD 500m loss
3. TESCO: Buffet USD 750m loss


Buffet has not lost $2B because he has not sold.

paper gains/losses are not real gains/losses. A gain is made upon receipt of a dividend or a sale and a loss is made upon a sale.

Life is short. Live passionately.
VituVingiSana
#52 Posted : Sunday, December 13, 2015 1:48:34 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,121
Location: Nairobi
Buffett has lost some. He has won more.
@sparkly - He did sell out the Tesco when he felt the Management wasn't cutting the mustard.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#53 Posted : Sunday, December 13, 2015 2:13:56 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,549
Location: nairobi
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Delisting impossible! 100% agreed.


Bankruptcy/ liquidation is very possible, its the norm rather than exception in the airline industry.

Generalisation wont help. The question here is simple and plain.. Will GoK allow KQ to be liquidated/declared bankrupt


@Obiero you need help.

To start you off, there is the concept of the "seven step process of acceptance".

But worry not, you are at the bargaining phase, just one step from acceptance that your Money is gone... poof... gone.


Link

In stock investing, losing money is an aspect that must be considered...


I disagree. Investing is about growth of money.

Minimum return when investing should be the risk free rate which is now ~13.5%.

Any "investment" entered without an expectation of a gain or even worse with an expectation of loss of capital is not an investment. It is a gamble/speculation just like happens in a casino.

The dictionary seems to agree...


in·vest /inˈvest/

verb

expend money with the expectation of achieving a profit or material result by putting it into financial schemes, shares, or property, or by using it to develop a commercial venture.

SMH.. Clearly, you guys are lacking in content. Who mentioned that you expect a loss. The words wr, 'an aspect that must be considered'.. Shares rise, shares fall. Even Buffet himself takes massive knocks. Research a little, since the man himself has in 2015 lost over USD 2 billion in a deadly stocks slide and he is known to have said, ''unless you can watch your stock
holding decline by 50% without
becoming panic stricken, you should
not be in the stock market.”
1. WALMART: Buffet USD 390M loss
2. IBM: Buffet USD 500m loss
3. TESCO: Buffet USD 750m loss


Buffet has not lost $2B because he has not sold.

paper gains/losses are not real gains/losses. A gain is made upon receipt of a dividend or a sale and a loss is made upon a sale.


Huyu @sparkly is a funny man. Hata after placing the link on Tesco and Walmart u insist he hasnt sold.. SMDH

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#54 Posted : Sunday, December 13, 2015 2:46:06 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,121
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Delisting impossible! 100% agreed.


Bankruptcy/ liquidation is very possible, its the norm rather than exception in the airline industry.

Generalisation wont help. The question here is simple and plain.. Will GoK allow KQ to be liquidated/declared bankrupt


@Obiero you need help.

To start you off, there is the concept of the "seven step process of acceptance".

But worry not, you are at the bargaining phase, just one step from acceptance that your Money is gone... poof... gone.


Link

In stock investing, losing money is an aspect that must be considered...


I disagree. Investing is about growth of money.

Minimum return when investing should be the risk free rate which is now ~13.5%.

Any "investment" entered without an expectation of a gain or even worse with an expectation of loss of capital is not an investment. It is a gamble/speculation just like happens in a casino.

The dictionary seems to agree...


in·vest /inˈvest/

verb

expend money with the expectation of achieving a profit or material result by putting it into financial schemes, shares, or property, or by using it to develop a commercial venture.

SMH.. Clearly, you guys are lacking in content. Who mentioned that you expect a loss. The words wr, 'an aspect that must be considered'.. Shares rise, shares fall. Even Buffet himself takes massive knocks. Research a little, since the man himself has in 2015 lost over USD 2 billion in a deadly stocks slide and he is known to have said, ''unless you can watch your stock
holding decline by 50% without
becoming panic stricken, you should
not be in the stock market.”
1. WALMART: Buffet USD 390M loss
2. IBM: Buffet USD 500m loss
3. TESCO: Buffet USD 750m loss


Buffet has not lost $2B because he has not sold.

paper gains/losses are not real gains/losses. A gain is made upon receipt of a dividend or a sale and a loss is made upon a sale.


Huyu @sparkly is a funny man. Hata after placing the link on Tesco and Walmart u insist he hasnt sold.. SMDH

@Obiero - Has Buffett actually sold the IBM or Walmart shares? The articles did not seem to indicate he sold these shares so @sparkly is right that these are 'paper losses' ... On Tesco, he reported selling the shares, at a loss, in the Annual Report.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
sparkly
#55 Posted : Sunday, December 13, 2015 2:54:10 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Delisting impossible! 100% agreed.


Bankruptcy/ liquidation is very possible, its the norm rather than exception in the airline industry.

Generalisation wont help. The question here is simple and plain.. Will GoK allow KQ to be liquidated/declared bankrupt


@Obiero you need help.

To start you off, there is the concept of the "seven step process of acceptance".

But worry not, you are at the bargaining phase, just one step from acceptance that your Money is gone... poof... gone.


Link

In stock investing, losing money is an aspect that must be considered...


I disagree. Investing is about growth of money.

Minimum return when investing should be the risk free rate which is now ~13.5%.

Any "investment" entered without an expectation of a gain or even worse with an expectation of loss of capital is not an investment. It is a gamble/speculation just like happens in a casino.

The dictionary seems to agree...


in·vest /inˈvest/

verb

expend money with the expectation of achieving a profit or material result by putting it into financial schemes, shares, or property, or by using it to develop a commercial venture.

SMH.. Clearly, you guys are lacking in content. Who mentioned that you expect a loss. The words wr, 'an aspect that must be considered'.. Shares rise, shares fall. Even Buffet himself takes massive knocks. Research a little, since the man himself has in 2015 lost over USD 2 billion in a deadly stocks slide and he is known to have said, ''unless you can watch your stock
holding decline by 50% without
becoming panic stricken, you should
not be in the stock market.”
1. WALMART: Buffet USD 390M loss
2. IBM: Buffet USD 500m loss
3. TESCO: Buffet USD 750m loss


Buffet has not lost $2B because he has not sold.

paper gains/losses are not real gains/losses. A gain is made upon receipt of a dividend or a sale and a loss is made upon a sale.


Huyu @sparkly is a funny man. Hata after placing the link on Tesco and Walmart u insist he hasnt sold.. SMDH


I have read the IBM and Walmart links again. I can't see any statement saying WB sold the holdings and realized the losses. The TESCO link not opening on my device. I statements to the effect that he has taken very long term views of the investments.
Life is short. Live passionately.
obiero
#56 Posted : Sunday, December 13, 2015 3:04:46 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,549
Location: nairobi
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Delisting impossible! 100% agreed.


Bankruptcy/ liquidation is very possible, its the norm rather than exception in the airline industry.

Generalisation wont help. The question here is simple and plain.. Will GoK allow KQ to be liquidated/declared bankrupt


@Obiero you need help.

To start you off, there is the concept of the "seven step process of acceptance".

But worry not, you are at the bargaining phase, just one step from acceptance that your Money is gone... poof... gone.


Link

In stock investing, losing money is an aspect that must be considered...


I disagree. Investing is about growth of money.

Minimum return when investing should be the risk free rate which is now ~13.5%.

Any "investment" entered without an expectation of a gain or even worse with an expectation of loss of capital is not an investment. It is a gamble/speculation just like happens in a casino.

The dictionary seems to agree...


in·vest /inˈvest/

verb

expend money with the expectation of achieving a profit or material result by putting it into financial schemes, shares, or property, or by using it to develop a commercial venture.

SMH.. Clearly, you guys are lacking in content. Who mentioned that you expect a loss. The words wr, 'an aspect that must be considered'.. Shares rise, shares fall. Even Buffet himself takes massive knocks. Research a little, since the man himself has in 2015 lost over USD 2 billion in a deadly stocks slide and he is known to have said, ''unless you can watch your stock
holding decline by 50% without
becoming panic stricken, you should
not be in the stock market.”
1. WALMART: Buffet USD 390M loss
2. IBM: Buffet USD 500m loss
3. TESCO: Buffet USD 750m loss


Buffet has not lost $2B because he has not sold.

paper gains/losses are not real gains/losses. A gain is made upon receipt of a dividend or a sale and a loss is made upon a sale.


Huyu @sparkly is a funny man. Hata after placing the link on Tesco and Walmart u insist he hasnt sold.. SMDH


I have read the IBM and Walmart links again. I can't see any statement saying WB sold the holdings and realized the losses. The TESCO link not opening on my device. I statements to the effect that he has taken very long term views of the investments.

Warren Buffett Sells Goldman Sachs and
Walmart Shares By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS NOVEMBER 16, 2015 Investors could well be asking whether
Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway (BRK.A) made a rare error in judgment. Both Walmart (WMT) and American Express (AXP) sank to 52-week lows in recent sessions, at a time when the overall
market has recovered quite nicely from
its sharp selloffs of August and
September. Walmart On Oct. 14, shares of Walmart plummeted 10%, their biggest single-day drop in 25 years. Buffett had acquired a meager 0.5%
stake in Walmart at roughly $47 per
share way back in 2005. By 2009, his
holdings had doubled to nearly 39 million
shares and by 2014, his 2.1% stake in the
company was worth more than $5 billion. In 2015, he added another $800 million to
his portfolio at $75 per share. Walmart's shares were trading Thursday
morning at $57.31, not far above their
52-week low of $56.77. They have
declined 33% year to date and are
roughly at 7% less than Buffett's average
purchase price of $69.66 per share. As the 2008 credit crisis surfaced,
Walmart reinvested less and less of its
operating cash flows, with the rest being
accounted for by dividends and share
repurchases. In 2011, the payout ratio
increased to 80%, as the company returned $19 billion to its shareholders.
This lack of investment could now be
haunting the company. Berkshire Hathaway, owned by the billionaire Warren E. Buffett, sold some of its Goldman Sachs and Walmart shares during the third quarter, and made
several smaller changes to its stock
portfolio, according to a report filed on
Monday with the Securities and Exchange
Commission. Mr. Buffett said on CNBC that
the main reason he reduced Berkshire’s Walmart and Goldman stakes was to
generate cash for his $32 billion
acquisition of Precision Castparts, which
is expected to close next year. Berkshire
sold 13 percent of its 12.6 million
Goldman shares and 7 percent of its 60.4 million Walmart shares.

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#57 Posted : Monday, December 14, 2015 1:27:03 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,121
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Delisting impossible! 100% agreed.


Bankruptcy/ liquidation is very possible, its the norm rather than exception in the airline industry.

Generalisation wont help. The question here is simple and plain.. Will GoK allow KQ to be liquidated/declared bankrupt


@Obiero you need help.

To start you off, there is the concept of the "seven step process of acceptance".

But worry not, you are at the bargaining phase, just one step from acceptance that your Money is gone... poof... gone.


Link

In stock investing, losing money is an aspect that must be considered...


I disagree. Investing is about growth of money.

Minimum return when investing should be the risk free rate which is now ~13.5%.

Any "investment" entered without an expectation of a gain or even worse with an expectation of loss of capital is not an investment. It is a gamble/speculation just like happens in a casino.

The dictionary seems to agree...


in·vest /inˈvest/

verb

expend money with the expectation of achieving a profit or material result by putting it into financial schemes, shares, or property, or by using it to develop a commercial venture.

SMH.. Clearly, you guys are lacking in content. Who mentioned that you expect a loss. The words wr, 'an aspect that must be considered'.. Shares rise, shares fall. Even Buffet himself takes massive knocks. Research a little, since the man himself has in 2015 lost over USD 2 billion in a deadly stocks slide and he is known to have said, ''unless you can watch your stock
holding decline by 50% without
becoming panic stricken, you should
not be in the stock market.”
1. WALMART: Buffet USD 390M loss
2. IBM: Buffet USD 500m loss
3. TESCO: Buffet USD 750m loss


Buffet has not lost $2B because he has not sold.

paper gains/losses are not real gains/losses. A gain is made upon receipt of a dividend or a sale and a loss is made upon a sale.


Huyu @sparkly is a funny man. Hata after placing the link on Tesco and Walmart u insist he hasnt sold.. SMDH


I have read the IBM and Walmart links again. I can't see any statement saying WB sold the holdings and realized the losses. The TESCO link not opening on my device. I statements to the effect that he has taken very long term views of the investments.

Warren Buffett Sells Goldman Sachs and
Walmart Shares By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS NOVEMBER 16, 2015 Investors could well be asking whether
Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway (BRK.A) made a rare error in judgment. Both Walmart (WMT) and American Express (AXP) sank to 52-week lows in recent sessions, at a time when the overall
market has recovered quite nicely from
its sharp selloffs of August and
September. Walmart On Oct. 14, shares of Walmart plummeted 10%, their biggest single-day drop in 25 years. Buffett had acquired a meager 0.5%
stake in Walmart at roughly $47 per
share way back in 2005. By 2009, his
holdings had doubled to nearly 39 million
shares and by 2014, his 2.1% stake in the
company was worth more than $5 billion. In 2015, he added another $800 million to
his portfolio at $75 per share. Walmart's shares were trading Thursday
morning at $57.31, not far above their
52-week low of $56.77. They have
declined 33% year to date and are
roughly at 7% less than Buffett's average
purchase price of $69.66 per share. As the 2008 credit crisis surfaced,
Walmart reinvested less and less of its
operating cash flows, with the rest being
accounted for by dividends and share
repurchases. In 2011, the payout ratio
increased to 80%, as the company returned $19 billion to its shareholders.
This lack of investment could now be
haunting the company. Berkshire Hathaway, owned by the billionaire Warren E. Buffett, sold some of its Goldman Sachs and Walmart shares during the third quarter, and made
several smaller changes to its stock
portfolio, according to a report filed on
Monday with the Securities and Exchange
Commission. Mr. Buffett said on CNBC that
the main reason he reduced Berkshire’s Walmart and Goldman stakes was to
generate cash for his $32 billion
acquisition of Precision Castparts
, which
is expected to close next year. Berkshire
sold 13 percent of its 12.6 million
Goldman shares and 7 percent of its 60.4 million Walmart shares.

So WB sold some [not all] of BH's WM shares. And he sold them to pay for Precision Castings.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#58 Posted : Monday, December 14, 2015 5:36:30 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,549
Location: nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Delisting impossible! 100% agreed.


Bankruptcy/ liquidation is very possible, its the norm rather than exception in the airline industry.

Generalisation wont help. The question here is simple and plain.. Will GoK allow KQ to be liquidated/declared bankrupt


@Obiero you need help.

To start you off, there is the concept of the "seven step process of acceptance".

But worry not, you are at the bargaining phase, just one step from acceptance that your Money is gone... poof... gone.


Link

In stock investing, losing money is an aspect that must be considered...


I disagree. Investing is about growth of money.

Minimum return when investing should be the risk free rate which is now ~13.5%.

Any "investment" entered without an expectation of a gain or even worse with an expectation of loss of capital is not an investment. It is a gamble/speculation just like happens in a casino.

The dictionary seems to agree...


in·vest /inˈvest/

verb

expend money with the expectation of achieving a profit or material result by putting it into financial schemes, shares, or property, or by using it to develop a commercial venture.

SMH.. Clearly, you guys are lacking in content. Who mentioned that you expect a loss. The words wr, 'an aspect that must be considered'.. Shares rise, shares fall. Even Buffet himself takes massive knocks. Research a little, since the man himself has in 2015 lost over USD 2 billion in a deadly stocks slide and he is known to have said, ''unless you can watch your stock
holding decline by 50% without
becoming panic stricken, you should
not be in the stock market.”
1. WALMART: Buffet USD 390M loss
2. IBM: Buffet USD 500m loss
3. TESCO: Buffet USD 750m loss


Buffet has not lost $2B because he has not sold.

paper gains/losses are not real gains/losses. A gain is made upon receipt of a dividend or a sale and a loss is made upon a sale.


Huyu @sparkly is a funny man. Hata after placing the link on Tesco and Walmart u insist he hasnt sold.. SMDH


I have read the IBM and Walmart links again. I can't see any statement saying WB sold the holdings and realized the losses. The TESCO link not opening on my device. I statements to the effect that he has taken very long term views of the investments.

Warren Buffett Sells Goldman Sachs and
Walmart Shares By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS NOVEMBER 16, 2015 Investors could well be asking whether
Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway (BRK.A) made a rare error in judgment. Both Walmart (WMT) and American Express (AXP) sank to 52-week lows in recent sessions, at a time when the overall
market has recovered quite nicely from
its sharp selloffs of August and
September. Walmart On Oct. 14, shares of Walmart plummeted 10%, their biggest single-day drop in 25 years. Buffett had acquired a meager 0.5%
stake in Walmart at roughly $47 per
share way back in 2005. By 2009, his
holdings had doubled to nearly 39 million
shares and by 2014, his 2.1% stake in the
company was worth more than $5 billion. In 2015, he added another $800 million to
his portfolio at $75 per share. Walmart's shares were trading Thursday
morning at $57.31, not far above their
52-week low of $56.77. They have
declined 33% year to date and are
roughly at 7% less than Buffett's average
purchase price of $69.66 per share. As the 2008 credit crisis surfaced,
Walmart reinvested less and less of its
operating cash flows, with the rest being
accounted for by dividends and share
repurchases. In 2011, the payout ratio
increased to 80%, as the company returned $19 billion to its shareholders.
This lack of investment could now be
haunting the company. Berkshire Hathaway, owned by the billionaire Warren E. Buffett, sold some of its Goldman Sachs and Walmart shares during the third quarter, and made
several smaller changes to its stock
portfolio, according to a report filed on
Monday with the Securities and Exchange
Commission. Mr. Buffett said on CNBC that
the main reason he reduced Berkshire’s Walmart and Goldman stakes was to
generate cash for his $32 billion
acquisition of Precision Castparts
, which
is expected to close next year. Berkshire
sold 13 percent of its 12.6 million
Goldman shares and 7 percent of its 60.4 million Walmart shares.

So WB sold some [not all] of BH's WM shares. And he sold them to pay for Precision Castings.

Hehe. U practise selective reading?? Unanchesha kweli.. Argument sasa imesonga to why he sold? SMDH

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obiero
#59 Posted : Monday, December 14, 2015 5:48:14 AM
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in a span of only 10 months, hii mungu yenu inayoitwa buffet invested in three separate firms that almost immediately issued profit warnings and/or missed revenue targets.. stocks respect no one, ben graham also having been knocked a couple of times. to new investors at the NSE and beyond: enter the market with eyes wide open, you can either gain or loose at any stock market..

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kasibitta
#60 Posted : Monday, December 14, 2015 8:38:55 AM
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How comments mutate or deviate from the topic of the day!!!

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