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KenGen FY15 PAT grows 307%
winmak
#61 Posted : Tuesday, December 01, 2015 7:26:59 PM
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http://www.businessdaily...8/-/q1orbb/-/index.html

Now, now someone kindly clarify this, is the cash call to settle debt or to expand? Then this debt to equity conversion by govt during the rights issue, is it possible to take up the rights by such a conversion?
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VituVingiSana
#62 Posted : Tuesday, December 01, 2015 10:54:11 PM
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winmak wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/KenGen-Sh29bn-issue-will-mainly-pay-Treasury-debt/-/539552/2978838/-/q1orbb/-/index.html

Now, now someone kindly clarify this, is the cash call to settle debt or to expand? Then this debt to equity conversion by govt during the rights issue, is it possible to take up the rights by such a conversion?

It is not uncommon to have debt converted into Equity.
NBK
KPLC
Now KenGen.

Other firms in which debt could be converted into Equity include ARM & Transcentury. Though the debt was issued as Convertible Debt so it was expected unlike KPLC/KenGen.
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sparkly
#63 Posted : Wednesday, December 02, 2015 6:01:20 AM
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winmak wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/KenGen-Sh29bn-issue-will-mainly-pay-Treasury-debt/-/539552/2978838/-/q1orbb/-/index.html

Now, now someone kindly clarify this, is the cash call to settle debt or to expand? Then this debt to equity conversion by govt during the rights issue, is it possible to take up the rights by such a conversion?

They have been expanding through debt. Rights are to restructure the balance sheet and reduce debt.
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guru267
#64 Posted : Wednesday, December 02, 2015 6:18:19 AM
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sparkly wrote:
winmak wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/KenGen-Sh29bn-issue-will-mainly-pay-Treasury-debt/-/539552/2978838/-/q1orbb/-/index.html

Now, now someone kindly clarify this, is the cash call to settle debt or to expand? Then this debt to equity conversion by govt during the rights issue, is it possible to take up the rights by such a conversion?

They have been expanding through debt. Rights are to restructure the balance sheet and reduce debt.


The company actually plans to take up to $1Billion in additional debt after the rights issue.
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Boris Boyka
#65 Posted : Wednesday, December 02, 2015 7:15:24 AM
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guru267 wrote:
sparkly wrote:
winmak wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/KenGen-Sh29bn-issue-will-mainly-pay-Treasury-debt/-/539552/2978838/-/q1orbb/-/index.html

Now, now someone kindly clarify this, is the cash call to settle debt or to expand? Then this debt to equity conversion by govt during the rights issue, is it possible to take up the rights by such a conversion?

They have been expanding through debt. Rights are to restructure the balance sheet and reduce debt.


The company actually plans to take up to $1Billion in additional debt after the rights issue.

Sad Sad Sad Isn't this just too much greed.
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#66 Posted : Wednesday, December 02, 2015 7:28:51 AM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
guru267 wrote:
sparkly wrote:
winmak wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/KenGen-Sh29bn-issue-will-mainly-pay-Treasury-debt/-/539552/2978838/-/q1orbb/-/index.html

Now, now someone kindly clarify this, is the cash call to settle debt or to expand? Then this debt to equity conversion by govt during the rights issue, is it possible to take up the rights by such a conversion?

They have been expanding through debt. Rights are to restructure the balance sheet and reduce debt.


The company actually plans to take up to $1Billion in additional debt after the rights issue.

Sad Sad Sad Isn't this just too much greed.


...with most of it going to tenderpreneurs..
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guru267
#67 Posted : Wednesday, December 02, 2015 7:50:30 AM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
guru267 wrote:
sparkly wrote:
winmak wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/KenGen-Sh29bn-issue-will-mainly-pay-Treasury-debt/-/539552/2978838/-/q1orbb/-/index.html

Now, now someone kindly clarify this, is the cash call to settle debt or to expand? Then this debt to equity conversion by govt during the rights issue, is it possible to take up the rights by such a conversion?

They have been expanding through debt. Rights are to restructure the balance sheet and reduce debt.


The company actually plans to take up to $1Billion in additional debt after the rights issue.

Sad Sad Sad Isn't this just too much greed.


Not greed... Its investment!

Building the country's power capacity will not come cheap...
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Grand
#68 Posted : Wednesday, December 02, 2015 10:12:49 PM
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I have these ten reasons for considering adding to my Kengen position and looking for counter reason why not:

1. The big other comprehensive income from Asset revaluation is good for shareholder as it unlocks the true value of the company, caveat as long as it is done by credible valuer and raises NAV.
2. The rise in the earning per share to 5.24 is due to increased revenue from capacity increase and not because of the asset revaluation.
3. The market valuation of the company is 17b yet the company had annual revenues of 26b and earnings of 11b. The market has valued the company below its annual revenue.
4. Kengen is currently selling cum dividend with 8.3% yield.
5. The rights issue will offset government debt and reduce interest paid out by 1.8b and improve on current asset ratio
6. More capacity is to be added going forward with potential of tax benefits.
7. With government secured load with weighted average of 4.X, this is free money. Where can you
get such favorable rates for your investments.
8. Kengen has a 73% market share with very wide moat.
9. Kengen projects are delivered on time and have shown consistent impact on the bottom on completion due to capacity generated that also must be taken up by KPLC.
10. Average EPS for six years is 2.1, and sector average P.E is 7.7, discounting these values by 20% Will give P.E=6.16 and EPS=1.68, gives a fair value of 10.3

With the above ten reasons, why should I not buy additional Kengen shares at prevailing market price of below 8?
Assume I will be able to raise the approx. 14 shillings per current share required to redeem the rights.
mlennyma
#69 Posted : Wednesday, December 02, 2015 10:40:59 PM
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Grand wrote:
I have these ten reasons for considering adding to my Kengen position and looking for counter reason why not:

1. The big other comprehensive income from Asset revaluation is good for shareholder as it unlocks the true value of the company, caveat as long as it is done by credible valuer and raises NAV.
2. The rise in the earning per share to 5.24 is due to increased revenue from capacity increase and not because of the asset revaluation.
3. The market valuation of the company is 17b yet the company had annual revenues of 26b and earnings of 11b. The market has valued the company below its annual revenue.
4. Kengen is currently selling cum dividend with 8.3% yield.
5. The rights issue will offset government debt and reduce interest paid out by 1.8b and improve on current asset ratio
6. More capacity is to be added going forward with potential of tax benefits.
7. With government secured load with weighted average of 4.X, this is free money. Where can you
get such favorable rates for your investments.
8. Kengen has a 73% market share with very wide moat.
9. Kengen projects are delivered on time and have shown consistent impact on the bottom on completion due to capacity generated that also must be taken up by KPLC.
10. Average EPS for six years is 2.1, and sector average P.E is 7.7, discounting these values by 20% Will give P.E=6.16 and EPS=1.68, gives a fair value of 10.3

With the above ten reasons, why should I not buy additional Kengen shares at prevailing market price of below 8?
Assume I will be able to raise the approx. 14 shillings per current share required to redeem the rights.

all this could please me if gvt shareholding was below 20%
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#70 Posted : Wednesday, December 02, 2015 10:50:04 PM
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KENGEN should shake the energy sector by building the Grand Falls hydro power station of 2,000MW.
This on top of the upcoming geothermal power projects;KENGEN can stay for five years without building an additional power station as we wait for demand to build up
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murchr
#71 Posted : Wednesday, December 02, 2015 11:47:22 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
KENGEN should shake the energy sector by building the Grand Falls hydro power station of 2,000MW.
This on top of the upcoming geothermal power projects;KENGEN can stay for five years without building an additional power station as we wait for demand to build up


Where?
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Ericsson
#72 Posted : Thursday, December 03, 2015 7:05:59 AM
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@murchr
Mutonga in Tharaka Nithi constituency.
It was part of the seven forks hydro project.
only 5 have been built
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murchr
#73 Posted : Thursday, December 03, 2015 7:33:54 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
@murchr
Mutonga in Tharaka Nithi constituency.
It was part of the seven forks hydro project.
only 5 have been built


What's the capacity in Lanina years?
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mthaka
#74 Posted : Thursday, December 03, 2015 10:44:15 AM
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anyone with the timeline for the rights
sparkly
#75 Posted : Friday, December 04, 2015 12:45:38 PM
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mthaka wrote:
anyone with the timeline for the rights


Wait for the AGM to get rights info.

Meanwhile, this will help you to make up your decision whether to take up rights...

Results presentation 2015
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mthaka
#76 Posted : Friday, December 04, 2015 12:55:34 PM
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@sparky great job,but you advise a wanjiku here,go for the rights or dispose now?
sparkly
#77 Posted : Friday, December 04, 2015 3:12:20 PM
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mthaka wrote:
@sparky great job,but you advise a wanjiku here,go for the rights or dispose now?


Defend your rights.
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Ericsson
#78 Posted : Monday, December 07, 2015 12:20:11 PM
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No new power plant expected in FY 2016 apart from 25MW on wellheads.
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Ericsson
#79 Posted : Monday, December 07, 2015 12:22:11 PM
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Post #59 relating to this business daily article;
http://www.businessdaily...0/-/pdws4pz/-/index.html
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sparkly
#80 Posted : Monday, December 07, 2015 2:39:42 PM
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[quote=Ericsson]Post #59 relating to this business daily article;
http://www.businessdaily.../-/pdws4pz/-/index.html[/quote]

And I bet this was a negotiated, not open sale....


NSSF just transferred PUBLIC property to PRIVATE hands at throw away price.


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