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sitaki.kujulikana
#31 Posted : Monday, November 30, 2015 9:30:35 PM
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maka wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
alma1 wrote:
murchr wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
Kenyans love to whine, complain about all and everything, always see the negatives, truly a pessimistic lot.


What positive do you see?


I think he's not pessimistic by whining that Kenyans love complaining when they see negative things.

@ecstacy has stated the positives.

Negative things are everywhere, unless you can show that the intention of the drill was to kill and injure people.

The other day I was in the banking hall, when the alarms went and the marshals came asking everyone to assemble at some point and guy were still complaining that the drill should have been done at the weekend.


A life was lost....

I don't think the intention was to kill and injure, unless I am wrong, but if you always look at the negatives nothing good will ever come out.

In this particular case I beg to look at the intention of the exercise.
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sitaki.kujulikana
#32 Posted : Monday, November 30, 2015 9:38:47 PM
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murchr wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
All drills are done with full knowledge of management, response staff, agencies etc with risk management factored in. People still get injured in basic fire drills well simulated to mimic the actual event. The intention is to audit the system in place and correct any anomalies not to simply tick off a H&S checkbox then get back to chewing mandazis. A terror drill even with a rapid response time from the waiting security forces carries risk of panic acts. Today you regretably may have a death or injuries but on the actual event a lot more lives saved. The world has changed. Adapt or perish.


Drills are carried out in other institutions too...including where i work, but all of us including subordinate employees are in the know. This is not the first drill to ever happen, and its just foolish

Just be honest have you ever had a terrorist drill where you work, this is the first one I have heard of a terrorist drill.
Now are you sure the employees had not been briefed, now do you consider a situation where an employee for one reason or another does not get to know of the same, I mean there was some training in the past 2 weeks at the institution related to terrorism.

Mistakes might happened but you don't have to dwell on the negatives, wait for the report and see what was gained.
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murchr
#33 Posted : Monday, November 30, 2015 9:44:22 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
murchr wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
All drills are done with full knowledge of management, response staff, agencies etc with risk management factored in. People still get injured in basic fire drills well simulated to mimic the actual event. The intention is to audit the system in place and correct any anomalies not to simply tick off a H&S checkbox then get back to chewing mandazis. A terror drill even with a rapid response time from the waiting security forces carries risk of panic acts. Today you regretably may have a death or injuries but on the actual event a lot more lives saved. The world has changed. Adapt or perish.


Drills are carried out in other institutions too...including where i work, but all of us including subordinate employees are in the know. This is not the first drill to ever happen, and its just foolish

Just be honest have you ever had a terrorist drill where you work, this is the first one I have heard of a terrorist drill.
Now are you sure the employees had not been briefed, now do you consider a situation where an employee for one reason or another does not get to know of the same, I mean there was some training in the past 2 weeks at the institution related to terrorism.

Mistakes might happened but you don't have to dwell on the negatives, wait for the report and see what was gained.


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alma1
#34 Posted : Monday, November 30, 2015 9:44:28 PM
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sitaki I don't want to make this one of our usual wazua moments.

A life was lost. People are in hospital needlesly.

Security drills are not supposed to scare people. I had thought when I first heard about it that it was the usual drill.

I don't know of any security drill in the world where people with Al Shabaab flags shooting live bullets are part of the process.

Maybe you know more about security drills than I do but I doubt that. whoever was in charge of this should be arrested for manslaughter.

Even in the movies like seriously, even in the movies, participants of security drills are informed that "this is a security drill"!!

Can you imagine in your neighbourhood right now if 2 guys walk around with guns shooting shouting al shabaab?

this is sickening and the statement from the university is a joke to say the least. Someone died from this nonsense.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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alma1
#35 Posted : Monday, November 30, 2015 9:53:10 PM
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One can say that instead of this drill becoming a tool for learning, someone somewhere decided to terrorize Kenyans instead. I wouldn't want to imagine the college telling the family members that your mother died because we scared her to thinking that Al Shabaab had attacked.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Bigchick
#36 Posted : Monday, November 30, 2015 9:53:54 PM
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Yes,this was a drill that went wrong.And is is sad a life was lost.In the past drills were about fire and plane crushes and bomb scares coz those were the main security threats.

Today Alshabaab is the threat and so drill on the same need to be done.

The death was from the stampede and not live bullets so I do not want to blame the planners.

Pole to the family of mwenda zake.

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maka
#37 Posted : Monday, November 30, 2015 9:59:37 PM
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Bigchick wrote:
Yes,this was a drill that went wrong.And is is sad a life was lost.In the past drills were about fire and plane crushes and bomb scares coz those were the main security threats.

Today Alshabaab is the threat and so drill on the same need to be done.

The death was from the stampede and not live bullets so I do not want to blame the planners.

Pole to the family of mwenda zake.



Pole doesn't bring back that lady to life...
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kaka2za
#38 Posted : Monday, November 30, 2015 10:02:09 PM
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Alshabaab must be laughing at us
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Wrong forever on the throne
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alma1
#39 Posted : Monday, November 30, 2015 10:06:08 PM
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Bigchick wrote:
Yes,this was a drill that went wrong.And is is sad a life was lost.In the past drills were about fire and plane crushes and bomb scares coz those were the main security threats.

Today Alshabaab is the threat and so drill on the same need to be done.

The death was from the stampede and not live bullets so I do not want to blame the planners.

Pole to the family of mwenda zake.



Sorry Bigchick not this time.

I've been in hundreds of security drills. I have even participated in organising a few. Trust me, the first point of concern for the planners is ALWAYS the safety of the participants.

Participants in this case means those students and employees and even the matatus on the highway. Even someone on Twirra to inform others that its just a security drill incase a rumor goes forth.

Obviously whoever organised this was more intent on figuring out how people would react if some men in muslim garb walked into strathmore, rather than the safety of all the participants.

I'm not a genius but a stampede is the first thing you would expect in a such a scenario. The tool for a stampede is a bull horn and marshalls to inform people what to do.

Did anyone do that? Or are we going to say that its sad someone died but we learned something?

It's very sad when someone dies for something that should have been avoided and in the premises of a company during a drill.

Do people even understand what a "security drill" means.

I'm shocked to say the least.

I hope I'm not around anywhere in Kenyan buildings when security drills are being carried.

Please use these three manuals as an example of what a security drill is supposed to look like

http://www.state.nj.us/e...ecurity/drill/Guide.pdf

http://www.ieso.ca/documents/ep/drillexercise.pdf

https://www.mmu.edu.my/u...dm364_FDEEProcedure.pdf

This last one is very particular of the need of the organisers to take note of all potential problems in such scenarios

Quote:
The goal is to empower participants and save lives, and prepare professionals
and staff for this role and responsibility. As the focus of such drills expands to include all staff and
students, the potential for causing harm to participants expands as well. The level of drill intensity (e.g.,
use of loud gun fire and airsoft guns), extent of warning that a drill will occur, and whether participation
is required or voluntary may affect reactions to the experience.


https://nasro.org/cms/wp...tive-Shooter-Drills.pdf

It's not people walking around shooting in the air to scare others whilst looking on as others are jumping from roof tops.

Are you kidding me?


Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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streetwise
#40 Posted : Monday, November 30, 2015 10:08:22 PM
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To put it in a different way in an aviation drill do you really crash the aircraft ?
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