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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,300 Location: kenya
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There is culture of Impunity.people just find ease on shafting other people .be it politician ,bishops , even trusted organisation
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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http://www.theeastafrica.../-/5g3k50z/-/index.html
Existing shareholders are in for a huge dilution... Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/25/2012 Posts: 4,105 Location: 08c
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Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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Waweru is an insider. Awori is a professional director. BTW, he is a long-time director in @obiero's airline. Musyoka - an independent director - is leaving. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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9.70 bob has printed.....stocks are not for the faint hearted. I pity the wanjiku who boarded at 50bob. They have no other option but to be longtearmers Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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Fyatu wrote:9.70 bob has printed.....stocks are not for the faint hearted. I pity the wanjiku who boarded at 50bob. They have no other option but to be longtearmers No. One can bail out. Take the loss & re-invest into a something else. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:Fyatu wrote:9.70 bob has printed.....stocks are not for the faint hearted. I pity the wanjiku who boarded at 50bob. They have no other option but to be longtearmers No. One can bail out. Take the loss & re-invest into a something else. so is the rights issue still on course? day light conning "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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mlennyma wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Fyatu wrote:9.70 bob has printed.....stocks are not for the faint hearted. I pity the wanjiku who boarded at 50bob. They have no other option but to be longtearmers No. One can bail out. Take the loss & re-invest into a something else. so is the rights issue still on course? day light conning You can always bail out and recover. Left Kq at 75bob but looking back, it is one of the best things i ever did i haste!!! Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,818 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
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Has this stock ever traded above the listing price? (Of course except the first and second weeks of trading) Hapa niligongwa 159k. Ni sawa tu. Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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dunkang wrote:Has this stock ever traded above the listing price? (Of course except the first and second weeks of trading)
Hapa niligongwa 159k. Ni sawa tu. pole,may be you gained elsewhere but its unfortunate that our market has become a dangerous place especially for beginners "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,818 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
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mlennyma wrote:dunkang wrote:Has this stock ever traded above the listing price? (Of course except the first and second weeks of trading)
Hapa niligongwa 159k. Ni sawa tu. pole,may be you gained elsewhere but its unfortunate that our market has become a dangerous place especially for beginners I blame the system. CMA, KASNEB, ICPAK, NSE, Brokers, CBK etc. Kenya's Old guards are like gods. Untouchables! That fictitious valuation of their Kenya Railways stake killed all morale! 2 Weeks ago, South African Authorities arrested guys who engaged in insider trading and manipulation of MTN shares on the JSE. Here in Kenya, YOU WILL NEVER HEAR OF ANYTHING LIKE THAT! NEVER EVER! OLD MONEY RULES! Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,549 Location: nairobi
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all the firms in which dennis awori chairs, a loss follows. dennis the menace?? HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/3/2008 Posts: 48
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TCL is a good example of how a top flight consultant is charged with running a company, and he sucks at performing in the real world. Dr Kiuna was a one-time McKinsey consultant that was very highly rated. Unfortunately, under his stewardship TCL has been run as if it is one case study after another.
When the late Chairman, James Gachui, was at the helm of the Board, the company flourished. Granted there was some political patronage at play, but the company had seriously good oversight that allowed it, as a non-listed entity, to maneuver its way through Kenya's unique deal-making stage like a pro. Political patronage got them only so far - sound management made them the blue eyed boys of Kenya's investment scene at the time. It must be pointed out that together, Mr Zeph Mbugua and Mr Eddie Njoroge were also instrumental in providing the company with excellent oversight alongside Mr Gachui.
Sadly, since Dr Kiuna took the helm, the Board appears to have been relegated to spectators as the company has made one bad investment move after another. Yes, Mr Gachui is not there, but in addition Mr Njoroge was appointed to be Kengen MD, which in my opinion left the Board skewed in favour of taking advice (from management?) rather than directing management as to what ought to be done. I'm sure that the analysis preceding each management decision has been McKinsey-like and faultless... unfortunately, the results speak for themselves. That listing was the first mistake, RVR,... Civicon appears to have been a winner though, so it's not all bad.
I will say though, that the Menengai power project looks like it can't be a loser (buy a KWH at 3 cents and sell at 8 cents per KWH for the next 25 years). It reeks of something that Mr Eddie Njoroge was instrumental in putting together (ahem,... he was, after all, CEO of Kengen when this deal was crafted). However, I'm not convinced that Dr Kiuna won't find a way of fobbing on that too.
Bottom line, I think that long term this is not a very bad counter, albeit with one huge caveat - that the pipeline projects hit the mark each and every time. That's a tall order, and with that debt maturity looming in March 2016, I'm not so sure these guys will be around to enjoy the fruits of the long-term success in their current state and makeup.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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Othelo wrote:mlennyma wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Fyatu wrote:9.70 bob has printed.....stocks are not for the faint hearted. I pity the wanjiku who boarded at 50bob. They have no other option but to be longtearmers No. One can bail out. Take the loss & re-invest into a something else. so is the rights issue still on course? day light conning You can always bail out and recover. Left Kq at 75bob but looking back, it is one of the best things i ever did i haste!!! I wish I had done the same at 75. I waited until it hit 13. Nevertheless, I am glad I bailed at 13. Better late than never. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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dunkang wrote:mlennyma wrote:dunkang wrote:Has this stock ever traded above the listing price? (Of course except the first and second weeks of trading)
Hapa niligongwa 159k. Ni sawa tu. pole,may be you gained elsewhere but its unfortunate that our market has become a dangerous place especially for beginners I blame the system. CMA, KASNEB, ICPAK, NSE, Brokers, CBK etc. Kenya's Old guards are like gods. Untouchables! That fictitious valuation of their Kenya Railways stake killed all morale! 2 Weeks ago, South African Authorities arrested guys who engaged in insider trading and manipulation of MTN shares on the JSE. Here in Kenya, YOU WILL NEVER HEAR OF ANYTHING LIKE THAT! NEVER EVER! OLD MONEY RULES! I never did trust the management from the get-go. After Kibati left EA Cables (the most profitable subsidiary) it was another reason not to get into TCL. And am I glad. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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MuchNo wrote:TCL is a good example of how a top flight consultant is charged with running a company, and he sucks at performing in the real world. Dr Kiuna was a one-time McKinsey consultant that was very highly rated Highly rated by whom? And his PhD isn't in management but science/biology/research. Unfortunately, under his stewardship TCL has been run as if it is one case study after another.
When the late Chairman, James Gachui, was at the helm of the Board, the company flourished. Granted there was some political patronage at play, Call a spade a spade. The shareholders were connected to Kibaki & Cronies. but the company had seriously good oversight that allowed it, as a non-listed entity, to maneuver its way through Kenya's unique deal-making stage AKA political connections like a pro. Political patronage got them only so far - sound management made them the blue eyed boys of Kenya's investment scene at the time. It must be pointed out that together, Mr Zeph Mbugua and Mr Eddie Njoroge were also instrumental in providing the company with excellent oversight alongside Mr Gachui. Njoroge ran huge KenGen. Waweru was CG of KRA.
Sadly, since Dr Kiuna took the helm, the Board appears to have been relegated to spectators as the company has made one bad investment move after another. Yes, Mr Gachui is not there, but in addition Mr Njoroge was appointed to be Kengen MD, which in my opinion left the Board skewed in favour of taking advice (from management?) rather than directing management as to what ought to be done. I'm sure that the analysis preceding each management decision has been McKinsey-like and faultless... unfortunately, the results speak for themselves. That listing was the first mistake, RVR,... Civicon appears to have been a winner though, so it's not all bad.
I will say though, that the Menengai power project looks like it can't be a loser (buy a KWH at 3 cents and sell at 8 cents per KWH for the next 25 years). It reeks of something that Mr Eddie Njoroge was instrumental in putting together (ahem,... he was, after all, CEO of Kengen when this deal was crafted). So you do admit this is about political connections which, you might not and, I do not have. However, I'm not convinced that Dr Kiuna won't find a way of fobbing on that too.
Bottom line, I think that long term this is not a very bad counter, albeit with one huge caveat - that the pipeline projects hit the mark each and every time. That's a tall order, and with that debt maturity looming in March 2016, I'm not so sure these guys will be around to enjoy the fruits of the long-term success in their current state and makeup. The bottomline is that once Kibaki left, the firm lost a lot of its 'connections' in GoK to the likes of Kirubi, Ndungu, etc. Just wait for the USD bond to come due. It will require either the sale/transfer of assets or a massive dilution unless the Bondholders agree to extend the duration of the bond.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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MuchNo wrote:TCL is a good example of how a top flight consultant is charged with running a company, and he sucks at performing in the real world. Dr Kiuna was a one-time McKinsey consultant that was very highly rated. Unfortunately, under his stewardship TCL has been run as if it is one case study after another.
When the late Chairman, James Gachui, was at the helm of the Board, the company flourished. Granted there was some political patronage at play, but the company had seriously good oversight that allowed it, as a non-listed entity, to maneuver its way through Kenya's unique deal-making stage like a pro. Political patronage got them only so far - sound management made them the blue eyed boys of Kenya's investment scene at the time. It must be pointed out that together, Mr Zeph Mbugua and Mr Eddie Njoroge were also instrumental in providing the company with excellent oversight alongside Mr Gachui.
Sadly, since Dr Kiuna took the helm, the Board appears to have been relegated to spectators as the company has made one bad investment move after another. Yes, Mr Gachui is not there, but in addition Mr Njoroge was appointed to be Kengen MD, which in my opinion left the Board skewed in favour of taking advice (from management?) rather than directing management as to what ought to be done. I'm sure that the analysis preceding each management decision has been McKinsey-like and faultless... unfortunately, the results speak for themselves. That listing was the first mistake, RVR,... Civicon appears to have been a winner though, so it's not all bad.
I will say though, that the Menengai power project looks like it can't be a loser (buy a KWH at 3 cents and sell at 8 cents per KWH for the next 25 years). It reeks of something that Mr Eddie Njoroge was instrumental in putting together (ahem,... he was, after all, CEO of Kengen when this deal was crafted). However, I'm not convinced that Dr Kiuna won't find a way of fobbing on that too.
Bottom line, I think that long term this is not a very bad counter, albeit with one huge caveat - that the pipeline projects hit the mark each and every time. That's a tall order, and with that debt maturity looming in March 2016, I'm not so sure these guys will be around to enjoy the fruits of the long-term success in their current state and makeup. And the way Dr. Kiuna is all over the place giving talks and presentations about the "wide canvas"- read under-developed Africa infrastructure. After reading your observations(opinion) my blood sugar has gone a notch higher. I wish TCL was more open with information. Its 4 months to March 2016 and they are not telling shareholders where they are going to get the cash from. The "strong pipeline of projects" will also require significant debt to implement....seems to me like this longterm reaping will be in 2050 Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/3/2008 Posts: 48
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@Fyatu, mine is only an opinion with some observations thrown in. In the final analysis, TCL is a listed company and they know that they should be making some significant disclosure, especially when exposing shareholder funds.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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I can remember investors being told to exercise caution when dealing with tcl shares a while back,so the caution was to cushion people against share crush??? "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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The O&G chumaz & related services headwinds. Mining is tricky as well. Infrastructure development, energy is the saving grace. Atlas Development closes its Kenyan subsidiaries http://www.capitalfm.co....its-kenyan-subsidiaries/
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