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sparkly
#791 Posted : Thursday, November 26, 2015 2:07:03 PM
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obiero wrote:
grahamsdisciple wrote:
I'm surprised that guys are reacting like this to Stanchart. Can someone correct me if I'm wrong, but these guys are actually reporting their provisions. Mind you if you look at their provisions this year, they are actually provisioning accounts on watchlist from last year financials, this year they aren't giving any loans. They are taking the pain this year for growth next year and beyond, like pruning leaves. In my view this is the time to buy.

Also with their long record of consistency and discipline, I'm more confident about what is in their books than say Equity, KCB, NBK or even Coop.

Again, can someone please correct me if they think my reasoning/logic is wrong.

U are partially right, but the problem here is more in loss of deposits in this tight liquidity race


Don't see the big deal also. Hit is on the loan loss provision and an exceptional item (property sale) last year. still likely to hit EPS of 25 and retain DPS 21.50. Cheap below 250.
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VituVingiSana
#792 Posted : Thursday, November 26, 2015 7:26:20 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,346
Location: Nairobi
grahamsdisciple wrote:
I'm surprised that guys are reacting like this to Stanchart. Can someone correct me if I'm wrong, but these guys are actually reporting their provisions. Mind you if you look at their provisions this year, they are actually provisioning accounts on watchlist from last year financials, this year they aren't giving any loans. They are taking the pain this year for growth next year and beyond, like pruning leaves. In my view this is the time to buy.

Also with their long record of consistency and discipline, I'm more confident about what is in their books than say Equity, KCB, NBK or even Coop.

Again, can someone please correct me if they think my reasoning/logic is wrong.

Correct. StanChart takes provisions as needed. Some say it takes more than it should in the name of prudence.

Some banks will have to take (increase) huge provisions for NPLs in 4Q whereas StanChart is already taking provisions throughout the year. They also tend to run their losses on Bonds through the P&L and with higher Bond yields come greater losses in the value of the portfolio.

I would not mind buying StanChart at 150 with an eye on the future.
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obiero
#793 Posted : Thursday, November 26, 2015 10:31:35 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,213
Location: nairobi
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
grahamsdisciple wrote:
I'm surprised that guys are reacting like this to Stanchart. Can someone correct me if I'm wrong, but these guys are actually reporting their provisions. Mind you if you look at their provisions this year, they are actually provisioning accounts on watchlist from last year financials, this year they aren't giving any loans. They are taking the pain this year for growth next year and beyond, like pruning leaves. In my view this is the time to buy.

Also with their long record of consistency and discipline, I'm more confident about what is in their books than say Equity, KCB, NBK or even Coop.

Again, can someone please correct me if they think my reasoning/logic is wrong.

U are partially right, but the problem here is more in loss of deposits in this tight liquidity race


Don't see the big deal also. Hit is on the loan loss provision and an exceptional item (property sale) last year. still likely to hit EPS of 25 and retain DPS 21.50. Cheap below 250.

Its unlikely to retain the dividend payout considering the once off sale of property last year. Tomorrow we may see a low of 218.. A definite buy sub 200

KQ ABP 4.26
whiteowl
#794 Posted : Friday, November 27, 2015 1:05:38 PM
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Location: Bohemian Grove
obiero wrote:
whoever is still invested in stanchart and cfc stanbic. take time and reflect, quickly


I hope they heeded your warning
Ericsson
#795 Posted : Friday, November 27, 2015 1:06:42 PM
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dunkang
#796 Posted : Friday, November 27, 2015 1:21:32 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/CFC-Stanbic-Q3-earnings-down-34pc/-/539552/2974452/-/6s7sa3/-/index.html

Damn! Am F'd!

What happened to banks super profits?
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obiero
#797 Posted : Friday, November 27, 2015 5:31:03 PM
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Location: nairobi
dunkang wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/CFC-Stanbic-Q3-earnings-down-34pc/-/539552/2974452/-/6s7sa3/-/index.html

Damn! Am F'd!

What happened to banks super profits?

Pole sana. Profits for banks will continue, what is happening now is called consolidation where only the large banks will henceforth make real money. Smaller banks will struggle in the next few years since Kenyans have changed tact. Tier II and lower are doomed, since they cant attract account numbers, which implies reduction in every income stream i.e commission, interest income.. Expect layoffs too, to compesate CIR balance

KQ ABP 4.26
obiero
#798 Posted : Friday, November 27, 2015 10:08:32 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,213
Location: nairobi
obiero wrote:
Q3 PBT in KES 'B
KCB 19.8 Actual 19.4
EQTY 18.4 Actual 18.1
COOP 13.5 Actual 12.2
BBK 9.8 Actual 9.1
SCBK 8.2 Actual 8.9
DTB 7.2 Actual 6.9
NIC 4.5 Actual 5.0
CFC 4.4
NBK 3.2 Actual 3.2
HFCK 1.1 Actual 1.1


KQ ABP 4.26
Boris Boyka
#799 Posted : Friday, November 27, 2015 10:32:31 PM
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Joined: 11/15/2013
Posts: 1,977
Location: Here
obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
Q3 PBT in KES 'B
KCB 19.8 Actual 19.4
EQTY 18.4 Actual 18.1
COOP 13.5 Actual 12.2
BBK 9.8 Actual 9.1
SCBK 8.2 Actual 8.9
DTB 7.2 Actual 6.9
NIC 4.5 Actual 5.0
CFC 4.4
NBK 3.2 Actual 3.2
HFCK 1.1 Actual 1.1


Weka CFC pia....its out.
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obiero
#800 Posted : Friday, November 27, 2015 10:59:10 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,213
Location: nairobi
Boris Boyka wrote:
obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
Q3 PBT in KES 'B
KCB 19.8 Actual 19.4
EQTY 18.4 Actual 18.1
COOP 13.5 Actual 12.2
BBK 9.8 Actual 9.1
SCBK 8.2 Actual 8.9
DTB 7.2 Actual 6.9
NIC 4.5 Actual 5.0
CFC 4.4
NBK 3.2 Actual 3.2
HFCK 1.1 Actual 1.1


Weka CFC pia....its out.

Iv only seen their net profit. Help me get the PBT and put it up

KQ ABP 4.26
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