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KulaRaha		#111 Posted : Friday, November 27, 2015 11:39:09 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514		Tomorrow, the crooks will be back in business, and their sycophants will be here defending them. Sinners and snakes! Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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ecstacy		#112 Posted : Friday, November 27, 2015 11:41:47 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449		The Kenya County Governors seated at the VIP section not applauding the Pontifex speech on corruption. lol
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KulaRaha		#113 Posted : Friday, November 27, 2015 11:43:45 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514		Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Muheani		#114 Posted : Friday, November 27, 2015 11:46:11 AM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/20/2009 Posts: 1,402		i Love the speeches...but Man... we should have taken latin/spanish classes...
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tycho		#115 Posted : Friday, November 27, 2015 12:01:25 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi		Swenani wrote: tycho wrote: Swenani wrote: On this one I'm with Burglar,The papacy and the catholic church are the biggest joke of the religion. Most of Christianity if not all of it is rooted in the Catholic church. The way of the Protestant is a reaction to the Pope. So there's little that a Protestant can summon to show the purity of his ways. If anything Protestantism is out doing the Catholic church in it's 'crimes'. If it's a matter of thinking and conversing about religion then we can open up to the topic without partiality and venom. Most of Christianity of rooted in JC apart from Catholic. Potestants was a reaction to the papacy and catholics joke and hence they can't outdo the catholics A true protestant should believe in JC and hold the following beliefs 1.The bible is the only authority on christian matters 2. Only God can provide Grace 3. Salvation is through a personal relationship with JC and GOD 4. JC is the only go in between man and God 5. Glory and honour only goes to God 6.Only God is infallible Hii ya catholic and pope is clearly the opposite of the above Even if this list was true, Protestants would find it hard to show they adhere to it. Catholics would show quite easily that they follow it. The Pope visiting Kenya isn't about raising theological contention. If anything these issues you're raising have been around even before Kenya came to existence. What we have now is a visit by a head of State. A State with which we have diplomatic relations, and besides, we need not be kind and respectful only to those who please our individual sensibilities. I have no business to go see the Pope, and I also have no business to disrupt those who are celebrating his visit. As for religion I'd not even take any dogma for granted. That's something that needs serious investigation and impartiality.
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madhaquer		#116 Posted : Friday, November 27, 2015 12:44:38 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 11/10/2010 Posts: 281 Location: Nairobi		tycho wrote: Swenani wrote: tycho wrote: Swenani wrote: On this one I'm with Burglar,The papacy and the catholic church are the biggest joke of the religion. Most of Christianity if not all of it is rooted in the Catholic church. The way of the Protestant is a reaction to the Pope. So there's little that a Protestant can summon to show the purity of his ways. If anything Protestantism is out doing the Catholic church in it's 'crimes'. If it's a matter of thinking and conversing about religion then we can open up to the topic without partiality and venom. Most of Christianity of rooted in JC apart from Catholic. Potestants was a reaction to the papacy and catholics joke and hence they can't outdo the catholics A true protestant should believe in JC and hold the following beliefs 1.The bible is the only authority on christian matters 2. Only God can provide Grace 3. Salvation is through a personal relationship with JC and GOD 4. JC is the only go in between man and God 5. Glory and honour only goes to God 6.Only God is infallible Hii ya catholic and pope is clearly the opposite of the above Even if this list was true, Protestants would find it hard to show they adhere to it. Catholics would show quite easily that they follow it. The Pope visiting Kenya isn't about raising theological contention. If anything these issues you're raising have been around even before Kenya came to existence. What we have now is a visit by a head of State. A State with which we have diplomatic relations, and besides, we need not be kind and respectful only to those who please our individual sensibilities. I have no business to go see the Pope, and I also have no business to disrupt those who are celebrating his visit. As for religion I'd not even take any dogma for granted. That's something that needs serious investigation and impartiality. The Catholic church is one of the most successful institutions from the perspective of: 1. Controlling the masses. Over 1.2 billion followers. This institution has been very instrumental in spreading Christianity in the world, whether their message is right or wrong is irrelevant. 2. Institutional longevity. It is over 2000 years old... is there an known organization older than this one ? 3. Development and Humanitarian Projects. Schools, clean water projects, hospitals... over 25% of hospitals in the world are Catholic owned. 4. Wealth and Finances. This is one institution swimming in money and prime real estate. However way you look at it, whether secular or religious, the Catholic Church has been very successful.
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Fyatu		#117 Posted : Friday, November 27, 2015 1:33:11 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru		hamburglar wrote: Fyatu wrote: despite his humbleness Papa is 1000 fold bigger than Obama or any other sitting United states or Russian president. He is even bigger than the Queen of England (who is 100 fold bigger than any other sitting US president.Lesson of the day/century..you don't have to fly airforce 1, or ride the beast to be the most powerful man in the world. Even the Chinese respect this man What makes him bigger than all those people you have mentioned? The fact that he is riding around in a cheap car? A lot of people drive cheap cars and even more walk from place to place, are they bigger than Obama and the queen? What contribution has the pope added to the world? And what is the significance of the Chinese respecting somebody? You say it like it's some big deal when the Chinese respect someone. Do the Chinese respecting him make him important? Did you take a poll to conclude that the Chinese people respect him or is it just one of those unsubtianated things your religious freaks say to convince yourself of your many delusional myths? This is very unfortunate reasoning. The brown nosing of this conman that can't perform shit is out of hand. He is just a regular guy who has absolutely no magical powers. None whatsoever. There is no difference between the pope and some guy in Gachie, they are both mortal dudes who can't perform any miracles and can't do shit that nobody else can't do. He is useless, just some schmuck who loves the attention he is getting from gullible folks like you. Too bad for me, i live in a country full of religious zealots who will inconvenience my daily activities immensely the next few days, just so they can go see a regular joe doing and saying nothing of value to anybody on this earth. Just like thousands or is it millions of the poor masses of KE, i am still high on the (h)opium...This is a disclaimer. No wazuan should take my comments seriously Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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hardwood		#118 Posted : Friday, November 27, 2015 3:24:51 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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kiash		#119 Posted : Friday, November 27, 2015 3:28:37 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/27/2010 Posts: 951 Location: Nyumbani		hamburglar wrote: Fyatu wrote: despite his humbleness Papa is 1000 fold bigger than Obama or any other sitting United states or Russian president. He is even bigger than the Queen of England (who is 100 fold bigger than any other sitting US president.Lesson of the day/century..you don't have to fly airforce 1, or ride the beast to be the most powerful man in the world. Even the Chinese respect this man What makes him bigger than all those people you have mentioned? The fact that he is riding around in a cheap car? A lot of people drive cheap cars and even more walk from place to place, are they bigger than Obama and the queen? What contribution has the pope added to the world? And what is the significance of the Chinese respecting somebody? You say it like it's some big deal when the Chinese respect someone. Do the Chinese respecting him make him important? Did you take a poll to conclude that the Chinese people respect him or is it just one of those unsubtianated things your religious freaks say to convince yourself of your many delusional myths? This is very unfortunate reasoning. The brown nosing of this conman that can't perform shit is out of hand. He is just a regular guy who has absolutely no magical powers. None whatsoever. There is no difference between the pope and some guy in Gachie, they are both mortal dudes who can't perform any miracles and can't do shit that nobody else can't do. He is useless, just some schmuck who loves the attention he is getting from gullible folks like you. Too bad for me, i live in a country full of religious zealots who will inconvenience my daily activities immensely the next few days, just so they can go see a regular joe doing and saying nothing of value to anybody on this earth. @Humurglar, you know you can write sense and people will stop reading when they get to the point where you start wrting 'shit' You have raised genuine points on your several posts but please dont destroy the pleausure of reading before we finish.Who knows the current pope is trying to fight it off with powerful cardinals (who played a major part in his election) because they live in expensive appartments in Vatican ,have servants working for them and all this money is paid for by the church. I for one stopped this thing about Holy father when i came to learn that actually the pope is elected by cardinals, just like a Njuri Ncheke sitting and electing their leader. I used to think is a God appointment this ati the smoke is a sign from God.Some of the cardinals have questionable characters from corruption,Child porn and marriage and other evils. The pope is in the same boat with Uhunye they are fighting the same war but in a different magnitude. Amen
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sitaki.kujulikana		#120 Posted : Friday, November 27, 2015 9:12:55 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826		The Catholic church owns vast tracts of idle land, it's good to talk against the ills, but at least remove the log in your eye first.
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