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Should we be using any loss-making NSE broker?
Wa_ithaka
#1 Posted : Tuesday, March 23, 2010 10:54:19 AM
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With 8 days to go, I believe only Kingdom Securities has published its P&L losses for 2009. May other brokers and so-called investment banks have been shy to do so. Reason being they have more red ink on their accounts than the dozy has on his carpets at State House.
Broking is probably one of the easiest money-making ventures known to man yet Kenyan brokers can't break even ata kama volumes are up.
Are these the ma-dudes we should be trusting with our hard-earned sweat?
Shouldn't CMA disqualify any loss-maker to protect customers.
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VituVingiSana
#2 Posted : Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:00:32 PM
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@Wa-ithaka:

I thought I saw Genghis & those chaps in Rehema House [mind block] also released results
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edwing
#3 Posted : Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:02:08 PM
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I don't think their going to do that any time soon. Let me advise U go for Brokers with various businesses they are likely to be more stable ever in rough times other wise those who depend solely on broker fees NO. NO.
B.Timer
#4 Posted : Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:24:09 PM
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Rumour has it that Ngenye Kariuki is due back in operation in a few weeks!
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kiriita
#5 Posted : Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:38:06 PM
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I thought Apex Africa were the first to publish?
Wa_ithaka
#6 Posted : Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:46:28 PM
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Ok. So some reporting. But should be we be using brokers that can't make money in products they are selling and buying for us?
How hard to make money when you are earning 4% on every buy and sell?
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mukiha
#7 Posted : Tuesday, March 23, 2010 2:29:58 PM
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NIC Capital have also published - I think....

If you want profit-making brokers, you will have very little choice!

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VituVingiSana
#8 Posted : Tuesday, March 23, 2010 7:02:21 PM
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Not all brokers make 4%

Not all brokers buy & sell on the same trade (across the books)
Deduct the CMA, NSE & CDSC fees.
Also some brokers work on smaller margins esp for NSSF, Old Mutual, etc
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ProverB
#9 Posted : Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:41:16 AM
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Wa_ithaka wrote:
Ok. So some reporting. But should be we be using brokers that can't make money in products they are selling and buying for us?
How hard to make money when you are earning 4% on every buy and sell?


look for the cashflow statements..guys that have had a knack of fleecing investors cannot resist manipulating income statements..hence inflated non financial costs...
main source of income remains commissions...judging from very minimal investor involvement with stock in 2009..that must hav greatly messed up brokers. Kingdom Security has benefit of being in every co-op bank branch..conveniently offering brokerage to thousands of co-op societies in bundus that need not come to nairobi..and even yet..losses
what about some outfit in nairobi only?

Brokerages likely to be ok are those with huge institutional investor base, as well as pockets deep enough to do their own market playing.

What other products do brokers sale? services are free.. judging from outcry when D&B started charging for printing CDS StatementsShame on you
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