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mlennyma wrote:obiero wrote:mlennyma wrote:My good feelings tells me mr.market will move sideways until new years optimism when we will see serious rallies Serious rallies are here.. Check ARM, HFCK, SCOM, KNRE.. Up next NMG, BAMB, JUB.. not yet confirmed bro,when serious rallies happen they carry almost every monkey in the forest Not implying that KQ is one, but how high did it rise today?
HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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MPs publish bill to tame interest rates@VVS here we go again. I still expect politicians to continue taking the easiest way out while gok deflects attention from its debt mount and ugly corruption. The mood is skewed against the bank and cbk too will seize the opportunity. As for corruption more gok collection will be channelled via mpesa bank as a stop gap measure (cash ban!). I never expected such a play to show up where one would be debating whether to buy a bank stock vs mpesa instead of bank stock vs bank stock!! Mpesa bank will definitely continue to outperform the market for being in biz with govt of the day and in future! The next phase is mpesa bank split for ease of monitoring. $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,124 Location: Nairobi
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hisah wrote:MPs publish bill to tame interest rates@VVS here we go again. I still expect politicians to continue taking the easiest way out while gok deflects attention from its debt mount and ugly corruption. The mood is skewed against the bank and cbk too will seize the opportunity. As for corruption more gok collection will be channelled via mpesa bank as a stop gap measure (cash ban!). I never expected such a play to show up where one would be debating whether to buy a bank stock vs mpesa instead of bank stock vs bank stock!! Mpesa bank will definitely continue to outperform the market for being in biz with govt of the day and in future! The next phase is mpesa bank split for ease of monitoring. @Hisah - MPesa bank isn't really a bank but the pressure will mount from both the banks and Airtel with another ally in Telkom now controlled by the "connected" Helios. Plus Helios has shares in Equity which also runs Orange Money! I think you are on the money with this one! GoK needs to rein in debt and recurrent expenditure but as you say it is easier to blame banks. If banks cannot lend 'profitably' (risk-reward) they will stop lending to retail clients and move to lend to large corporates and GoK. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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VituVingiSana wrote: GoK needs to rein in debt and recurrent expenditure but as you say it is easier to blame banks.
If banks cannot lend 'profitably' (risk-reward) they will stop lending to retail clients and move to lend to large corporates and GoK. I am of the opinion that the Bill means well for Kenyans. However, like Joe Donde in the 90s, the MPs will find that this won't be a walk in the park; Banks are in bed with influential people including the Top Guy (read CBA). What will happen with Banks insatiable appetite for 'profitable' rates in the face of their declining roles in the financial landscape ?? Methinks the easiest option is lending rates. As for the Govt's skewed economic policies, instead of supporting such a move to stimulate the economy via affordable credit, you can be sure they'll resist it and continue taxing Water, juice, Beer, Cigaretes and our 'Brand new' ex-japan cars...
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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@mnandii you'll fall off the chair... Has someone just declared corruption a threat to national security! #SocioEcon101 Tax revenues will definitely collapse!!! $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Hello Joined: 11/23/2015 Posts: 3 Location: naivasha
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I'm very green in stocks. would like advice on where to invest in the current market. please wazuans....advice the greenhorn. will greatly appreciate.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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empoli wrote:I'm very green in stocks. would like advice on where to invest in the current market. please wazuans....advice the greenhorn. will greatly appreciate. Read through the threads and you'll get an idea of what people think. But before you buy learn alot about stocks The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,555 Location: nairobi
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obiero wrote:instinct wrote:The NSE 20 Share Index closed at 3946.99 Moving on up...movin on up...  It was obvious. The NSE bear is no more. A cyclical relationship between tbills and stocks has been researched in the Graham papers from early 19th century.. Simply put, tbills move up, stocks moves down; and the reverse is true.. Reading does not finish the eyes.. Those with eyes have seen. SCOM close to all time high of KES 17, HFCK rushing towards KES 30
HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/17/2007 Posts: 294
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obiero wrote:obiero wrote:instinct wrote:The NSE 20 Share Index closed at 3946.99 Moving on up...movin on up... It was obvious. The NSE bear is no more. A cyclical relationship between tbills and stocks has been researched in the Graham papers from early 19th century.. Simply put, tbills move up, stocks moves down; and the reverse is true.. Reading does not finish the eyes.. Those with eyes have seen. SCOM close to all time high of KES 17, HFCK rushing towards KES 30 NSE 20 Share Index today went up by 28 points to close at 4021. moving on up...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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obiero wrote:obiero wrote:instinct wrote:The NSE 20 Share Index closed at 3946.99 Moving on up...movin on up... It was obvious. The NSE bear is no more. A cyclical relationship between tbills and stocks has been researched in the Graham papers from early 19th century.. Simply put, tbills move up, stocks moves down; and the reverse is true.. Reading does not finish the eyes.. Those with eyes have seen. SCOM close to all time high of KES 17, HFCK rushing towards KES 30 the year before erections stocks are bullish  will next year follow history? "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,124 Location: Nairobi
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mugo2of3 wrote:VituVingiSana wrote: GoK needs to rein in debt and recurrent expenditure but as you say it is easier to blame banks.
If banks cannot lend 'profitably' (risk-reward) they will stop lending to retail clients and move to lend to large corporates and GoK. I am of the opinion that the Bill means well for Kenyans. However, like Joe Donde in the 90s, the MPs will find that this won't be a walk in the park; Banks are in bed with influential people including the Top Guy (read CBA). What will happen with Banks insatiable appetite for 'profitable' rates in the face of their declining roles in the financial landscape ?? Methinks the easiest option is lending rates. As for the Govt's skewed economic policies, instead of supporting such a move to stimulate the economy via affordable credit, you can be sure they'll resist it and continue taxing Water, juice, Beer, Cigaretes and our 'Brand new' ex-japan cars... MPs are net borrowers. This Bill is less about Kenyans than themselves. If only MPs would come together and pass a Bill that caps GoK's expenditure and taxation powers... But no, they want GoK to pay them more, more, more which GoK cannot do without increasing taxes or borrowing... Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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VituVingiSana wrote:hisah wrote:MPs publish bill to tame interest rates@VVS here we go again. I still expect politicians to continue taking the easiest way out while gok deflects attention from its debt mount and ugly corruption. The mood is skewed against the bank and cbk too will seize the opportunity. As for corruption more gok collection will be channelled via mpesa bank as a stop gap measure (cash ban!). I never expected such a play to show up where one would be debating whether to buy a bank stock vs mpesa instead of bank stock vs bank stock!! Mpesa bank will definitely continue to outperform the market for being in biz with govt of the day and in future! The next phase is mpesa bank split for ease of monitoring. @Hisah - MPesa bank isn't really a bank but the pressure will mount from both the banks and Airtel with another ally in Telkom now controlled by the "connected" Helios. Plus Helios has shares in Equity which also runs Orange Money! I think you are on the money with this one! GoK needs to rein in debt and recurrent expenditure but as you say it is easier to blame banks. If banks cannot lend 'profitably' (risk-reward) they will stop lending to retail clients and move to lend to large corporates and GoK. The banking assault continues.
Kenya's president says banks will lose licenses for money laundering
Quote:"From today, we have agreed that those banks that break our anti-money laundering laws and regulations will at a minimum lose their banking license," he said.
The negative sentiments are cranking and the top office is also onboard!!
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,124 Location: Nairobi
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hisah wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:hisah wrote:MPs publish bill to tame interest rates@VVS here we go again. I still expect politicians to continue taking the easiest way out while gok deflects attention from its debt mount and ugly corruption. The mood is skewed against the bank and cbk too will seize the opportunity. As for corruption more gok collection will be channelled via mpesa bank as a stop gap measure (cash ban!). I never expected such a play to show up where one would be debating whether to buy a bank stock vs mpesa instead of bank stock vs bank stock!! Mpesa bank will definitely continue to outperform the market for being in biz with govt of the day and in future! The next phase is mpesa bank split for ease of monitoring. @Hisah - MPesa bank isn't really a bank but the pressure will mount from both the banks and Airtel with another ally in Telkom now controlled by the "connected" Helios. Plus Helios has shares in Equity which also runs Orange Money! I think you are on the money with this one! GoK needs to rein in debt and recurrent expenditure but as you say it is easier to blame banks. If banks cannot lend 'profitably' (risk-reward) they will stop lending to retail clients and move to lend to large corporates and GoK. The banking assault continues.
Kenya's president says banks will lose licenses for money laundering
Quote:"From today, we have agreed that those banks that break our anti-money laundering laws and regulations will at a minimum lose their banking license," he said.
The negative sentiments are cranking and the top office is also onboard!!
What was in The Wave Principle. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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VituVingiSana wrote:hisah wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:hisah wrote:MPs publish bill to tame interest rates@VVS here we go again. I still expect politicians to continue taking the easiest way out while gok deflects attention from its debt mount and ugly corruption. The mood is skewed against the bank and cbk too will seize the opportunity. As for corruption more gok collection will be channelled via mpesa bank as a stop gap measure (cash ban!). I never expected such a play to show up where one would be debating whether to buy a bank stock vs mpesa instead of bank stock vs bank stock!! Mpesa bank will definitely continue to outperform the market for being in biz with govt of the day and in future! The next phase is mpesa bank split for ease of monitoring. @Hisah - MPesa bank isn't really a bank but the pressure will mount from both the banks and Airtel with another ally in Telkom now controlled by the "connected" Helios. Plus Helios has shares in Equity which also runs Orange Money! I think you are on the money with this one! GoK needs to rein in debt and recurrent expenditure but as you say it is easier to blame banks. If banks cannot lend 'profitably' (risk-reward) they will stop lending to retail clients and move to lend to large corporates and GoK. The banking assault continues.
Kenya's president says banks will lose licenses for money laundering
Quote:"From today, we have agreed that those banks that break our anti-money laundering laws and regulations will at a minimum lose their banking license," he said.
The negative sentiments are cranking and the top office is also onboard!!
What was in The Wave Principle. Negative sentiment towards financials and heavy taxation by a debt burdened govt. One heck of a lethal cocktail. IPO biz is DoA going forward! $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Hello Joined: 11/23/2015 Posts: 3 Location: naivasha
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Aguytrying wrote:empoli wrote:I'm very green in stocks. would like advice on where to invest in the current market. please wazuans....advice the greenhorn. will greatly appreciate. Read through the threads and you'll get an idea of what people think. But before you buy learn alot about stocks Thanks for response. I've read tonnes of articles and sort advice. Would like now to plunge ahead. This email is mine assist where possible. coolmiposi@gmail.com
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/29/2006 Posts: 2,570
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empoli wrote:Aguytrying wrote:empoli wrote:I'm very green in stocks. would like advice on where to invest in the current market. please wazuans....advice the greenhorn. will greatly appreciate. Read through the threads and you'll get an idea of what people think. But before you buy learn alot about stocks Thanks for response. I've read tonnes of articles and sort advice. Would like now to plunge ahead. This email is mine assist where possible. coolmiposi@gmail.com You must now learn to be confident and buy some KCB, HF, SCOM, KPL... The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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empoli wrote:Aguytrying wrote:empoli wrote:I'm very green in stocks. would like advice on where to invest in the current market. please wazuans....advice the greenhorn. will greatly appreciate. Read through the threads and you'll get an idea of what people think. But before you buy learn alot about stocks Thanks for response. I've read tonnes of articles and sort advice. Would like now to plunge ahead. This email is mine assist where possible. coolmiposi@gmail.com Happy to assist. How much do you want to invest? Life is short. Live passionately.
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mugo2of3 wrote:VituVingiSana wrote: GoK needs to rein in debt and recurrent expenditure but as you say it is easier to blame banks.
If banks cannot lend 'profitably' (risk-reward) they will stop lending to retail clients and move to lend to large corporates and GoK. I am of the opinion that the Bill means well for Kenyans. However, like Joe Donde in the 90s, the MPs will find that this won't be a walk in the park; Banks are in bed with influential people including the Top Guy (read CBA).What will happen with Banks insatiable appetite for 'profitable' rates in the face of their declining roles in the financial landscape ?? Methinks the easiest option is lending rates. As for the Govt's skewed economic policies, instead of supporting such a move to stimulate the economy via affordable credit, you can be sure they'll resist it and continue taxing Water, juice, Beer, Cigaretes and our 'Brand new' ex-japan cars... Interesting take. What I find strange is the fierce opposition from banks, a myopic view of things if you ask me. Reducing interest rates and thus making credit affordable to more Kenyans will massively expand the market as more people can borrow. Banks will end up making more. What we have now is a throwback to the 90's where banking was a preserve of a small elite. We have made borrowing an elite privilege rather than a mass product available to most. We need a brave company to do another 'Equity' or 'Mpesa' on these fellows. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Wakanyugi wrote:mugo2of3 wrote:VituVingiSana wrote: GoK needs to rein in debt and recurrent expenditure but as you say it is easier to blame banks.
If banks cannot lend 'profitably' (risk-reward) they will stop lending to retail clients and move to lend to large corporates and GoK. I am of the opinion that the Bill means well for Kenyans. However, like Joe Donde in the 90s, the MPs will find that this won't be a walk in the park; Banks are in bed with influential people including the Top Guy (read CBA).What will happen with Banks insatiable appetite for 'profitable' rates in the face of their declining roles in the financial landscape ?? Methinks the easiest option is lending rates. As for the Govt's skewed economic policies, instead of supporting such a move to stimulate the economy via affordable credit, you can be sure they'll resist it and continue taxing Water, juice, Beer, Cigaretes and our 'Brand new' ex-japan cars... Interesting take. What I find strange is the fierce opposition from banks, a myopic view of things if you ask me. Reducing interest rates and thus making credit affordable to more Kenyans will massively expand the market as more people can borrow. Banks will end up making more. What we have now is a throwback to the 90's where banking was a preserve of a small elite. We have made borrowing an elite privilege rather than a mass product available to most. We need a brave company to do another 'Equity' or 'Mpesa' on these fellows. You must have missed the "Instant Loans" being floated everywhere by yours truly, M-PESAPesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,124 Location: Nairobi
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Wakanyugi wrote:mugo2of3 wrote:VituVingiSana wrote: GoK needs to rein in debt and recurrent expenditure but as you say it is easier to blame banks.
If banks cannot lend 'profitably' (risk-reward) they will stop lending to retail clients and move to lend to large corporates and GoK. I am of the opinion that the Bill means well for Kenyans. However, like Joe Donde in the 90s, the MPs will find that this won't be a walk in the park; Banks are in bed with influential people including the Top Guy (read CBA).What will happen with Banks insatiable appetite for 'profitable' rates in the face of their declining roles in the financial landscape ?? Methinks the easiest option is lending rates. As for the Govt's skewed economic policies, instead of supporting such a move to stimulate the economy via affordable credit, you can be sure they'll resist it and continue taxing Water, juice, Beer, Cigaretes and our 'Brand new' ex-japan cars... Interesting take. What I find strange is the fierce opposition from banks, a myopic view of things if you ask me. Reducing interest rates and thus making credit affordable to more Kenyans will massively expand the market as more people can borrow. Banks will end up making more. What we have now is a throwback to the 90's where banking was a preserve of a small elite. We have made borrowing an elite privilege rather than a mass product available to most. We need a brave company to do another 'Equity' or 'Mpesa' on these fellows. 7% a month? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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