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Uchumi - A value play?
Sober
#161 Posted : Wednesday, October 14, 2015 4:50:50 PM
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Museveni wrote:



It makes sense http://af.reuters.com/ar...mp;virtualBrandChannel=0
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sparkly
#162 Posted : Wednesday, October 14, 2015 9:54:41 PM
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mkonomtupu wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mkonomtupu wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
sparkly wrote:
www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Uchumi-acquires-Dar-supermarket-in-growth-drive/-/539550/2509572/-/24g47z/-/index.html

Uchumi on an acquisition spree.

While Shoprite is exiting TZ.

They have not paid suppliers in Kenya.

They have taken loan of KES 600m from KCB.

Acquisition was financed by debt.

Rights issue to expand into small and insignificant markets of Rwanda Burundi.

Shareholders should be very afraid... Insolvency 2.0 coming soon.


A loan at 18% interest from KCB. And another 405M from Coop bank. That means close to 200M per annum will go in payment of interest leave alone the principal. I wish they were applying the rights to reduce these expensive loans. We have bonds, so why not consider such or place a commercial paper


What insolvency d'oh! d'oh!? if your annual turnover is 14 billion, your annual profits 400 million, and you are borrowing 1 billion secured by 2.2 billion assets. Stop fearing leverage.



If your suppliers have claims to your 2.2B assets and you only get 2.85% return from your 14B turnover, then you have a problem.


Aiii wee mboss... in retail you look at credit lines in most suppliers tell you lets put this on the shelf once sold pay us. Anyway looking at the IM Uchumi paid 675m to GoK and 956m to KCB and PTA banks without default or insolvency.

Management says "with benefit of hindsight, the management now observes strict controls on debt management" You can see this from the fact that the ICDC loan of 300m about 109m has been paid and balance outstanding at 191m
KCB overdraft of 200m and short term of 600m- 150m repaid balance of 650m

Now turning to Tanzania, sales grew 10%. The TZ economy grew at 7% in the last 2 years and the formal retail penetration is less than 10%. Now that's huge potential even if it was to get to Kenya's 30% penetration.

Uchumi shareholders d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! you will make me rich again

@Mkonomtupu looks like I get to have the last laugh. Kipngetich has closed the Uganda and Tanzania branches. This decision should have been made much earlier instead of wasting rights money.
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obiero
#163 Posted : Thursday, October 15, 2015 8:29:33 AM
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sparkly wrote:
mkonomtupu wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mkonomtupu wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
sparkly wrote:
www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Uchumi-acquires-Dar-supermarket-in-growth-drive/-/539550/2509572/-/24g47z/-/index.html

Uchumi on an acquisition spree.

While Shoprite is exiting TZ.

They have not paid suppliers in Kenya.

They have taken loan of KES 600m from KCB.

Acquisition was financed by debt.

Rights issue to expand into small and insignificant markets of Rwanda Burundi.

Shareholders should be very afraid... Insolvency 2.0 coming soon.


A loan at 18% interest from KCB. And another 405M from Coop bank. That means close to 200M per annum will go in payment of interest leave alone the principal. I wish they were applying the rights to reduce these expensive loans. We have bonds, so why not consider such or place a commercial paper


What insolvency d'oh! d'oh!? if your annual turnover is 14 billion, your annual profits 400 million, and you are borrowing 1 billion secured by 2.2 billion assets. Stop fearing leverage.



If your suppliers have claims to your 2.2B assets and you only get 2.85% return from your 14B turnover, then you have a problem.


Aiii wee mboss... in retail you look at credit lines in most suppliers tell you lets put this on the shelf once sold pay us. Anyway looking at the IM Uchumi paid 675m to GoK and 956m to KCB and PTA banks without default or insolvency.

Management says "with benefit of hindsight, the management now observes strict controls on debt management" You can see this from the fact that the ICDC loan of 300m about 109m has been paid and balance outstanding at 191m
KCB overdraft of 200m and short term of 600m- 150m repaid balance of 650m

Now turning to Tanzania, sales grew 10%. The TZ economy grew at 7% in the last 2 years and the formal retail penetration is less than 10%. Now that's huge potential even if it was to get to Kenya's 30% penetration.

Uchumi shareholders d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! you will make me rich again

@Mkonomtupu looks like I get to have the last laugh. Kipngetich has closed the Uganda and Tanzania branches. This decision should have been made much earlier instead of wasting rights money.

The new CEO may get the firm back to normalcy in terms of increased profits, but he may not make it to heaven. Why fire 900 staff with no notice and no severence pay?? Why abolish signed contracts with the inhouse stores at less than minimum required notice??

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watesh
#164 Posted : Thursday, October 15, 2015 8:41:35 AM
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At this rate Uchumi will close down everything and start afresh
Boris Boyka
#165 Posted : Thursday, October 15, 2015 8:58:56 AM
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watesh wrote:
At this rate Uchumi will close down everything and start afresh

Not really. Consolidation is key. Narrow the focus and be profitable. The main concern will be as @Obiero put it.
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sparkly
#166 Posted : Thursday, October 15, 2015 1:04:27 PM
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obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mkonomtupu wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mkonomtupu wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
sparkly wrote:
www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Uchumi-acquires-Dar-supermarket-in-growth-drive/-/539550/2509572/-/24g47z/-/index.html

Uchumi on an acquisition spree.

While Shoprite is exiting TZ.

They have not paid suppliers in Kenya.

They have taken loan of KES 600m from KCB.

Acquisition was financed by debt.

Rights issue to expand into small and insignificant markets of Rwanda Burundi.

Shareholders should be very afraid... Insolvency 2.0 coming soon.


A loan at 18% interest from KCB. And another 405M from Coop bank. That means close to 200M per annum will go in payment of interest leave alone the principal. I wish they were applying the rights to reduce these expensive loans. We have bonds, so why not consider such or place a commercial paper


What insolvency d'oh! d'oh!? if your annual turnover is 14 billion, your annual profits 400 million, and you are borrowing 1 billion secured by 2.2 billion assets. Stop fearing leverage.



If your suppliers have claims to your 2.2B assets and you only get 2.85% return from your 14B turnover, then you have a problem.


Aiii wee mboss... in retail you look at credit lines in most suppliers tell you lets put this on the shelf once sold pay us. Anyway looking at the IM Uchumi paid 675m to GoK and 956m to KCB and PTA banks without default or insolvency.

Management says "with benefit of hindsight, the management now observes strict controls on debt management" You can see this from the fact that the ICDC loan of 300m about 109m has been paid and balance outstanding at 191m
KCB overdraft of 200m and short term of 600m- 150m repaid balance of 650m

Now turning to Tanzania, sales grew 10%. The TZ economy grew at 7% in the last 2 years and the formal retail penetration is less than 10%. Now that's huge potential even if it was to get to Kenya's 30% penetration.

Uchumi shareholders d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! you will make me rich again

@Mkonomtupu looks like I get to have the last laugh. Kipngetich has closed the Uganda and Tanzania branches. This decision should have been made much earlier instead of wasting rights money.

The new CEO may get the firm back to normalcy in terms of increased profits, but he may not make it to heaven. Why fire 900 staff with no notice and no severence pay?? Why abolish signed contracts with the inhouse stores at less than minimum required notice??


Let's wait for the lawsuits...
Life is short. Live passionately.
Museveni
#167 Posted : Thursday, November 19, 2015 10:09:52 AM
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First slip on the road to reccovery.

Lets see how this plays out.



& some insight from the Wilson Airport thread:











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Gatheuzi
#168 Posted : Thursday, November 19, 2015 6:31:13 PM
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Just wondering if any creditor say a bank might have relied on Lang'ata Branch title to secure a loan against Uchumi. Was the branch built during the days of good old dj?
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VituVingiSana
#169 Posted : Thursday, November 19, 2015 7:14:32 PM
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Gatheuzi wrote:
Just wondering if any creditor say a bank might have relied on Lang'ata Branch title to secure a loan against Uchumi. Was the branch built during the days of good old dj?


The issue may not be the branch [or where it is located] but the 'other' land adjacent to Wilson. The original hypermart was built in the 90s when Suresh Shah was the MD when Uchumi was already a public company.
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enyands
#170 Posted : Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:15:19 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
Just wondering if any creditor say a bank might have relied on Lang'ata Branch title to secure a loan against Uchumi. Was the branch built during the days of good old dj?


The issue may not be the branch [or where it is located] but the 'other' land adjacent to Wilson. The original hypermart was built in the 90s when Suresh Shah was the MD when Uchumi was already a public company.



Hope DJ didn't have any hand in this
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