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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:Othelo wrote:So in this contest, which religion is supreme? yep! seems like it! I think it's possible to measure the superiority of a religion per context. But the measure would have nothing to do with assertions per se. The other day I was looking at the history of psychiatry from ancient times to the present, and as usual I was looking for patterns and constants, and alas, through the ages there seemed to be one constant; that there's an optimal human state of being that is about being in dynamic equilibrium with a dynamic ecosystem, and whose characteristics are happiness, productivity, intelligence, and peaceful coexistence. Interestingly, the center of human existence has been the temple, save for now when psychiatry has moved more into an atheistic view point. The cave was the first temple it seems. The cave is the church, the mosque, the lodge . . . So to know the superior religion, we need to ask which religion now, offers a metaphor that can take any individual closest to the optimal state of being. In my estimation, so far, there's no single metaphor that fits into the global world we're living in. The psychological role of a human being is finding such a metaphor whether consciously or unconsciously, and right now the hue and clamor we're experiencing around us is proof that this task is indeed pushing us to the edge. Old metaphors can no longer fit, hence we'll see more atheists, fundamentalists doing their best to convert others, agnostics throwing up their hands in despair and the like. It's amazing how similar psychological conditions precipitate different behavior in different people. But psychologically speaking most of these responses are the same in value in that they are all regressions. Regression isn't necessarily bad, the question is how is it being used to offer healing and progression? Once again we lack leadership in such a conversation. Not even atheists can handle this. Till someone somewhere finds the metaphor and shares it, and makes it to work on the political economy, we're stuck.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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My brother @alphdoti is very effective. He is slowly converting me. I like his sense of purpose. I will one day be known as Sheikh Alhaj Ismail Luolest. But where were all you guys when this guy started this? It became a diversion the moment he made his first contribution to this thread. He didn't address hambuglar's atheism, he attacked Christianity
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Ngogoyo wrote:
The fallacy that is religion will kill people (okay i know it is already). Sometimes i ask why do we have a mind/brain? we want to think when its about other things..like biashara or deal but when it comes to religion; we trust! we don't question!. Why should we say the chosen tribe of Israel??? and where do the Africans even fit in all that bible story ...because its just that ...a story
I always picture a group of bored old timers in Europe or whetever sitting down and deciding this thing (religion) will held control and tame mankind.
and this applies to all religions so dont come here @alpha with your blue and green lines
We blame the white man for too many things. All those guys worshipping deities living in mountains or worshipping multiple deities all did so because of the white man? Even when they had had zero interaction with him?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:My brother @alphdoti is very effective. He is slowly converting me. I like his sense of purpose. I will one day be known as Sheikh Alhaj Ismail Luolest. But where were all you guys when this guy started this? It became a diversion the moment he made his first contribution to this thread. He didn't address hambuglar's atheism, he attacked Christianity @lonest, my problem and rage is caused by the way you depict God. How can you say God was born by a woman, and he ate and he went to the toilet and he died killed by human beings... Or the Father God who was waling on this tiny Earth... You tell me the God who created the Universe, walks on that invisible earth ??? Please you are responsible for making @ham an atheist.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote: My brother @alphdoti is very effective. He is slowly converting me. I like his sense of purpose. I will one day be known as Sheikh Alhaj Ismail Luolest.
But where were all you guys when this guy started this? It became a diversion the moment he made his first contribution to this thread. He didn't address hambuglar's atheism, he attacked Christianity
yeah... both you guys were wrong to hijack the thread... but it's a free world. I just lamented that I didn't see the point of all this. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote: Please you are responsible for making @ham an atheist.
as if being Muslim is better than being atheist! If Islam was logical, he could have come to your side. You still have a chance. Stop telling him why you converted from Christianity to Islam by attacking Christianity. He is already an atheist! You cannot win him over by telling him how unreal Ukristo is. You win him over by showing him why your way is the better way THAN BEING ATHEIST. Hambuglar's main issue is that he believes the supernatural doesn't exist! You and I agree the supernatural is there t  So does Mutunga who worships his ancestors in Kitui And he has studied your religion. He probably doesn't gitch why you guys would hate Shaitani then listen to his prophet and venerate him to deity status, having his name on houses of worship. Or why someone would leave Kianjokoma to go to Mecca. To zunguka some holy stone which you pray towards. Then make animal sacrifices. Do ceremonial washing, keep long beards, keep not more than 4 wives coz some guy told you so(yet he had far more,including stealing his son Zayd's wife after lusting after her),.... Preach to him
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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masukuma wrote:Lolest! wrote: My brother @alphdoti is very effective. He is slowly converting me. I like his sense of purpose. I will one day be known as Sheikh Alhaj Ismail Luolest.
But where were all you guys when this guy started this? It became a diversion the moment he made his first contribution to this thread. He didn't address hambuglar's atheism, he attacked Christianity
yeah... both you guys were wrong to hijack the thread... but it's a free world. I just lamented that I didn't see the point of all this.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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AlphDoti wrote:@lonest! you are the kind of people making kina @ham become atheists. The ridiculous things you guys swallow is amazing and you are supposed to be learned. Take for example what I have highlighted up in your message in red. You truly believe a man who ate food and went to the toilet was your God? Somebody died for your sins? Your God was killed? So if you get yourself gonorrhea, Jesus gets the jab and you heal? How come you still toil to eat? So now saved women give birth without pain? Please @lonest stop embarrassing your intellect. @ham is seeking to use his brain. God Almighty is not those things you are preaching about a god who had sex with a woman to bear another god! If God Almighty created this universe by just saying "BE", what is a baby in a womb! allahu akbah - then killing people!Quote:A wave of coordinated attacks left more than 120 dead in scenes of carnage in Paris Friday, including scores massacred by attackers shouting "Allahu akbar" during a rock concert and others in a suicide bombing near the national stadium.
Black-clad gunmen wielding AK-47s stormed into the Bataclan concert hall in eastern Paris and fired calmly and methodically at hundreds of screaming concert-goers.
Police said at least 120 people were killed in total at multiple locations in the French capital, which is still reeling from jihadist attacks in January.
Witnesses said the attackers shouted "Allahu akbar" ("God is greatest") and blamed France's military intervention in Syria as they sprayed bullets into the crowd watching US rock band Eagles of Death Metal. Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/22/2011 Posts: 561 Location: House
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Lolest! wrote:Ngogoyo wrote:
The fallacy that is religion will kill people (okay i know it is already). Sometimes i ask why do we have a mind/brain? we want to think when its about other things..like biashara or deal but when it comes to religion; we trust! we don't question!. Why should we say the chosen tribe of Israel??? and where do the Africans even fit in all that bible story ...because its just that ...a story
I always picture a group of bored old timers in Europe or whetever sitting down and deciding this thing (religion) will held control and tame mankind.
and this applies to all religions so dont come here @alpha with your blue and green lines
We blame the white man for too many things. All those guys worshipping deities living in mountains or worshipping multiple deities all did so because of the white man? Even when they had had zero interaction with him? Did they bring their deity worshiping to Africa??. There lies your answer. We should have stuck to our individual community supreme beings. Ngai wa kirinyaga in the mountains or the nyasaye in the rocks etc not some corrupted way of worship imposed on us. By the way  why Jesus white? why chosen tribe of Israel? why is some of the bible stories 'hidden' Think  think
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Ngogoyo, you said mzungu invented religion! That you know is not true. But glad we agree that he didnt. Right? So did mzungu invent Christianity and was Jesus white? It's all in history. Christianity started in the middle east and spread westwards to europe. The Europeans were initially polytheists and killed many converts. They simply passed on to us what they had received. You know of the Ethiopian church? Did Krapf introduce the faith to them? Glad you call yourself a thinker. So what say you ofthe above?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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There are contradictions in your first and second arguments @Ngogs. In your first, religion is a fallacy. In the second, we shoul go back to African Traditional RELIGIONS.... So where do you stand?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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Eti eagles of death concert? Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/9/2006 Posts: 1,502
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if you have ever met God or visited heaven/paradise then you're worth listening. Otherwise God is Propaganda and brutal lies work to prosper
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Tokyo wrote:if you have ever met God or visited heaven/paradise then you're worth listening. Otherwise God is Propaganda and brutal lies Even the drooling fool is worth listening to.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/5/2013 Posts: 224
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Tokyo wrote:if you have ever met God or visited heaven/paradise then you're worth listening. Otherwise God is Propaganda and brutal lies Easy bro... i should buy you a drink next time i am in the land of the rising sun. There is a movie titled "God is not Dead". You can get it on torrents, not trying to sway your thoughts, just watch it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Sometimes it's us religious folk, that drive people away from religion. My Bible tells me that it is God, who 'calls' people unto Him. Without that, our endevours are only acts of 'love', wanting fellow men to follow in our supposedly 'rightful' footsteps. But yenyewe when you step back, and look at these 'acts of love'.... Sema kushangaa! I now live, and let live. As long as @Hamburgler's meets his basic needs, hiyo nyegine unawachia Allah
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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Between atheism and islam, I would rather have Hamburglar an atheist. To devolve him to sub-human Islam would make the world less safe by adding one more potential terrorist. Ukweli isemwe.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Am saddened by Paris. Maybe one day humanity will wake up and understand that religion and gods are a scourge on society. We don't need religions and gods for us to be good human beings, all we need is a human heart. If we can teach future generations to be good people because being a good human being is the right thing to do as opposed to teaching them to be good so as to appease a god in the hope that this god in return will reward them back with a ticket into heaven when they die, then maybe then we will eventually have peace on earth.
Teach your kids to be good without expecting any favors in return, to always do the right thing even when there is nobody watching, and if they end up going to this mythical hell because they were good people who chose not to get into a shady quid pro quo deal with some god, then at the end of the day, they will be better people than that god and should proudly walk into hell with their head held high up.
Nobody wants to associate with a dictatorial god who wants to be worshipped so as to dish back favors. There is no integrity in that. I am an atheist and i consciously live my life as positively as i can without having a god in my life and without expecting anything in return. I always choose the right way, that can't be said of 99% of my theist friends who are only "holy" when the situation suits them and only when they are hoping for blessings and favors in return. What a sorry way to live life. Unfortunate but true. Ni hayo tu.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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hamburglar wrote:Am saddened by Paris. Maybe one day humanity will wake up and understand that religion and gods are a scourge on society. We don't need religions and gods for us to be good human beings, all we need is a human heart. If we can teach future generations to be good people because being a good human being is the right thing to do as opposed to teaching them to be good so as to appease a god in the hope that this god in return will reward them back with a ticket into heaven when they die, then maybe then we will eventually have peace on earth.
Teach your kids to be good without expecting any favors in return, to always do the right thing even when there is nobody watching, and if they end up going to this mythical hell because they were good people who chose not to get into a shady quid pro quo deal with some god, then at the end of the day, they will be better people than that god and should proudly walk into hell with their head held high up.
Nobody wants to associate with a dictatorial god who wants to be worshipped so as to dish back favors. There is no integrity in that. I am an atheist and i consciously live my life as positively as i can without having a god in my life and without expecting anything in return. I always choose the right way, that can't be said of 99% of my theist friends who are only "holy" when the situation suits them and only when they are hoping for blessings and favors in return. What a sorry way to live life. Unfortunate but true. Ni hayo tu. One would be tempted to think that humanity is a given quality, automatically and perhaps mysteriously arising from the primeval soup. But that's hardly the case. Humanity is intangible, and by itself, invisible. It's even incomplete. Many here seem to know about God - even the atheists, but so little seems to be known about being human. With time I have come to realize that there's something like pop-education - a rough amalgam of half baked ideas and concepts wrought of mass production that's giving the masses a false sense of pride and security and confidence but is in fact a heap of trash. It's this miseducation that's fueling this forgetfulness and recklessness about what humanity entails. There's a saying that 'mtoto akililia wembe. . .' That's the answer for the reckless and ignorant. It won't be long before wailing starts.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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tycho wrote:hamburglar wrote:Am saddened by Paris. Maybe one day humanity will wake up and understand that religion and gods are a scourge on society. We don't need religions and gods for us to be good human beings, all we need is a human heart. If we can teach future generations to be good people because being a good human being is the right thing to do as opposed to teaching them to be good so as to appease a god in the hope that this god in return will reward them back with a ticket into heaven when they die, then maybe then we will eventually have peace on earth.
Teach your kids to be good without expecting any favors in return, to always do the right thing even when there is nobody watching, and if they end up going to this mythical hell because they were good people who chose not to get into a shady quid pro quo deal with some god, then at the end of the day, they will be better people than that god and should proudly walk into hell with their head held high up.
Nobody wants to associate with a dictatorial god who wants to be worshipped so as to dish back favors. There is no integrity in that. I am an atheist and i consciously live my life as positively as i can without having a god in my life and without expecting anything in return. I always choose the right way, that can't be said of 99% of my theist friends who are only "holy" when the situation suits them and only when they are hoping for blessings and favors in return. What a sorry way to live life. Unfortunate but true. Ni hayo tu. One would be tempted to think that humanity is a given quality, automatically and perhaps mysteriously arising from the primeval soup. But that's hardly the case. Humanity is intangible, and by itself, invisible. It's even incomplete. Many here seem to know about God - even the atheists, but so little seems to be known about being human. With time I have come to realize that there's something like pop-education - a rough amalgam of half baked ideas and concepts wrought of mass production that's giving the masses a false sense of pride and security and confidence but is in fact a heap of trash. It's this miseducation that's fueling this forgetfulness and recklessness about what humanity entails. There's a saying that 'mtoto akililia wembe. . .' That's the answer for the reckless and ignorant. It won't be long before wailing starts. http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...sts&t=32710&p=1
Same 'trash' different pitch.
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