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Impunity
#31 Posted : Wednesday, November 11, 2015 11:59:39 AM
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jano wrote:
i don't like the way her being barren is always highlighted in every article..being able to sire a child is not a right but a blessing.


Then also tell her to stop calling @Bugufuli as being politically impotent...being impotent is also not of anyone's desire.

Should she call any man impotence, she should be ready to be called barren...PERIOD.

In fact RAO used to have fire balls until Mo1 squeezed potency out of them in '83!!!!!!!

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alma1
#32 Posted : Wednesday, November 11, 2015 12:07:15 PM
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Impunity wrote:
jano wrote:
i don't like the way her being barren is always highlighted in every article..being able to sire a child is not a right but a blessing.


Then also tell her to stop calling @Bugufuli as being politically impotent...being impotent is also not of anyone's desire.

Should she call any man impotence, she should be ready to be called barren...PERIOD.

In fact RAO used to have fire balls until Mo1 squeezed potency out of them in '83!!!!!!!

Sad


what? Who did she call impotent? Rink?
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

masukuma
#33 Posted : Wednesday, November 11, 2015 12:12:24 PM
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I think Alai is a master of ad hominems and red herrings! and has made his name that way.... attacking the person rather than attacking the thought or the idea! it always goes something like... WEWE UNATUAMBIA NINI NA WEWE NI [INSERT RED HERRING HERE]. Kwani an impotent woman who is sleeping around and stole some money (what was that ? 3k?) when she was young should not make an observation like this?
Quote:
"A gentleman I had a chat with said, it’s worrying when you look keenly at Raila Odinga (not with the eyes of a fanatic) but in the hope of him as an alternative and your stomach churns. Even as Prime Minister, Raila seemed unfocused, obsessed with politics, dazzled by his own voice and words. Sadly Raila has always been better at opposing than creating. What a hole we find ourselves in, in terms of options,"

The only sane way to correct her is not shouting that she is a whore or impotent (that neither contributes or deducts to the observation) is by attacking the idea/observation. Asking what has she ever created in yet another red herring as you make her the subject of the discussion instead of her observation which is also held by many who are not 'whores' or 'impotent/barren' or even women.
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masukuma
#34 Posted : Wednesday, November 11, 2015 12:18:56 PM
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by the way... if a smoker tells you that smoking is bad! don't say.... WEWE UNANIAMBIA NINI? NA WEWE NI MVUTAJI SIGARA! whether smoking is good or bad is not premised on whether the person telling you that it's good or bad smokes or not.... in that same sense Arap Mashamba can come out and say corruption and land grabbing is evil and it will not make it less evil or more evil or moot just because it's him who said it and not Githongo! in and off itself an idea or an argument is sufficient regardless of the mouth it proceeds from
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Anti_Burglar
#35 Posted : Wednesday, November 11, 2015 12:19:39 PM
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jano wrote:
i don't like the way her being barren is always highlighted in every article..being able to sire a child is not a right but a blessing.


Then if it is a blessing then she is cursed because she doesn't have her own? Wait till her enemies hear that!
alma1
#36 Posted : Wednesday, November 11, 2015 12:20:55 PM
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masukuma wrote:
I think Alai is a master of ad hominems and red herrings! and has made his name that way.... attacking the person rather than attacking the thought or the idea! it always goes something like... WEWE UNATUAMBIA NINI NA WEWE NI [INSERT RED HERRING HERE]. Kwani an impotent woman who is sleeping around and stole some money (what was that ? 3k?) when she was young should not make an observation like this?
Quote:
"A gentleman I had a chat with said, it’s worrying when you look keenly at Raila Odinga (not with the eyes of a fanatic) but in the hope of him as an alternative and your stomach churns. Even as Prime Minister, Raila seemed unfocused, obsessed with politics, dazzled by his own voice and words. Sadly Raila has always been better at opposing than creating. What a hole we find ourselves in, in terms of options,"

The only sane way to correct her is not shouting that she is a whore or impotent (that neither contributes or deducts to the observation) is by attacking the idea/observation. Asking what has she ever created in yet another red herring as you make her the subject of the discussion instead of her observation which is also held by many who are not 'whores' or 'impotent/barren' or even women.


You are very lucky you are not posting this on facebook. You would have been abused to the high heavens. Laughing out loudly

I agree with the statement you quoted 100%. I'd rather die than vote Raila.....And Uhuru too....
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Anti_Burglar
#37 Posted : Wednesday, November 11, 2015 12:24:45 PM
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masukuma wrote:
I think Alai is a master of ad hominems and red herrings! and has made his name that way.... attacking the person rather than attacking the thought or the idea! it always goes something like... WEWE UNATUAMBIA NINI NA WEWE NI [INSERT RED HERRING HERE]. Kwani an impotent woman who is sleeping around and stole some money (what was that ? 3k?) when she was young should not make an observation like this?
Quote:
"A gentleman I had a chat with said, it’s worrying when you look keenly at Raila Odinga (not with the eyes of a fanatic) but in the hope of him as an alternative and your stomach churns. Even as Prime Minister, Raila seemed unfocused, obsessed with politics, dazzled by his own voice and words. Sadly Raila has always been better at opposing than creating. What a hole we find ourselves in, in terms of options,"

The only sane way to correct her is not shouting that she is a whore or impotent (that neither contributes or deducts to the observation) is by attacking the idea/observation. Asking what has she ever created in yet another red herring as you make her the subject of the discussion instead of her observation which is also held by many who are not 'whores' or 'impotent/barren' or even women.


Masukuma, I'm just discussing, not taking sides. Going by what you have said then it is true she uses the same tactics as her nemesis hence I think they are the same. Why would she use the gentleman's opinion as a scaffold to her own?
kiash
#38 Posted : Wednesday, November 11, 2015 12:25:25 PM
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masukuma wrote:
by the way... if a smoker tells you that smoking is bad! don't say.... WEWE UNANIAMBIA NINI? NA WEWE NI MVUTAJI SIGARA! whether smoking is good or bad is not premised on whether the person telling you that it's good or bad smokes or not.... in that same sense Arap Mashamba can come out and say corruption and land grabbing is evil and it will not make it less evil or more evil or moot just because it's him who said it and not Githongo! in and off itself an idea or an argument is sufficient regardless of the mouth it proceeds from


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masukuma
#39 Posted : Wednesday, November 11, 2015 12:52:37 PM
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Anti_Burglar wrote:

Masukuma, I'm just discussing, not taking sides. Going by what you have said then it is true she uses the same tactics as her nemesis hence I think they are the same. Why would she use the gentleman's opinion as a scaffold to her own?

What the arguer is doing is falling into the trap of two wrongs make a right also known as the 'fallacy of relevance'.... it shifts the focus of the response AWAY FROM THE OBSERVATION/IDEA/SUGGESTION IN QUESTION onto some other thing that is not under discussion. The idea/suggestion/observation is to be addressed or argued away from the way the person who suggests,observes it behaves/ed. The fact of the matter is - you don't have to have been consistently right to ever utter a right thing! A prostitute can argue the virtues of chastity.... in the human mind she has lost locus standi but not her argument... whether chastity is good or bad has nothing to do with her! So my throwing of ad hominems does not imply that you should... be the bigger person and address the merits of idea/suggestion/argument
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Impunity
#40 Posted : Wednesday, November 11, 2015 12:53:58 PM
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alma1 wrote:
Impunity wrote:
jano wrote:
i don't like the way her being barren is always highlighted in every article..being able to sire a child is not a right but a blessing.


Then also tell her to stop calling @Bugufuli as being politically impotent...being impotent is also not of anyone's desire.

Should she call any man impotence, she should be ready to be called barren...PERIOD.

In fact RAO used to have fire balls until Mo1 squeezed potency out of them in '83!!!!!!!

Sad


what? Who did she call impotent? Rink?


@Tinga.

Politically impotent!

Just imagine.
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