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Total Kenya HY15 PAT down 17%
Pesa Nane
#1 Posted : Wednesday, August 26, 2015 9:41:06 PM
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enyands
#2 Posted : Wednesday, August 26, 2015 10:41:20 PM
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Pesa Nane wrote:

..mai mai mai everything is just reporting negative .
alotoftalk
#3 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 1:19:10 AM
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Pesa Nane wrote:


Adopting the KK strategy of moving into high value products? Nothing else can explain that decline in the revenue by close to 30%.

The flat gross profit (GP) truly proves that the petroleum retailing business in Kenya is not a volume business anymore but a high value/margin product driven business. The GP game is no longer a "pile them high and sell it cheap" game but a strategic selling game. Plus the cost of sales has been fixed by the government thanks to price controls and a government controlled bulk buying procurement process.

The PBT game on the other hand is a pure finance and strategy play with sales and marketing being relegated to the back-bench.

Profits will determined at the financing level - cost of credit, risk management (forex, hedges, pricing and volume forecasts) and operational efficiency (inventory management,lean structures, bulk storage facilities, IT platforms etc).

Tough times ahead as the "sales game" is easier to play than the "finance game".
Investment philosophy development in progress...
mlennyma
#4 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 11:02:07 AM
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How comes Kk is more profitable. I don't understand
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Aguytrying
#5 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 2:42:05 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
How comes Kk is more profitable. I don't understand


Ohana once asked. What's the point of having the highest market share, but making losses. Margins!!. Therein lies your answer.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
dunkang
#6 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 2:46:05 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
How comes Kk is more profitable. I don't understand


Ohana once asked. What's the point of having the highest market share, but making losses. Margins!!. Therein lies your answer.

Applause
Also, the mother company is not making money with the falling oil prices. Most of this costs may be "consultancy fees" paid out to France.
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Kausha
#7 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 6:01:55 PM
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I foretold this in 2013. In a margin business it is all about the margins
Kausha
#8 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 6:16:41 PM
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Hopefully the twat journo who is always writing bashful storos about KK's declining market share can rewrite his articles.
hisah
#9 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 6:30:43 PM
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As oil gets clobbered to pulp, oil stocks will struggle to stay afloat. I expect Total and ADSS to keep sliding, but KK may just stay afloat. So the oil sector hedge is KK for those targeting NSE oil stocks.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
sparkly
#10 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 8:40:22 PM
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dunkang wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
How comes Kk is more profitable. I don't understand


Ohana once asked. What's the point of having the highest market share, but making losses. Margins!!. Therein lies your answer.

Applause
Also, the mother company is not making money with the falling oil prices. Most of this costs may be "consultancy fees" paid out to France.

Preference dividends
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Pesa Nane
#11 Posted : Wednesday, September 23, 2015 12:59:41 PM
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Aguytrying
#12 Posted : Wednesday, September 23, 2015 2:52:04 PM
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If KK and total perform at the same clip in H2, then KK's profits will be double total's. Tafakari hayo.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
VituVingiSana
#13 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2015 7:02:09 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
If KK and total perform at the same clip in H2, then KK's profits will be double total's. Tafakari hayo.

As interest rates rise, KK is reducing its borrowings.

According to Management during the 1H briefing & interviews:
- No open USD loan positions i.e. 'natural' hedges on USD loans. Huge benefit for KK as KES has cratered against USD since 30th June.
- KES loans being reduced as soon as possible.
- Inventories being tightly managed to reduce Working Capital requirements.
- All acquisitions have to be funded in LCY by the 'local' subsidiary. The HO is not funding any subsidiaries.
- Volumes are up for the retail network but a reduction in volumes in the low-margin sectors has hurt overall market share. Nevertheless, the reduction in overall market share has not impacted profits. Bidding for OTS cargoes at fair prices has reduced winning bids.
- KK was 'short' fuel while prices were falling i.e. as prices fell KK did not have expensive stocks.
- BP/Castrol deal will boost KK's market share in oils and lubricants.

Like @Aguy, I am bullish on KK despite all the drama in the economy.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#14 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2015 6:26:58 AM
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Total changes MD again. Is this a good thing or not?
http://www.nation.co.ke/...4/-/lgcx6l/-/index.html

Imperial Bank had the same MD for decades & after he died the scams unfolded.
Kenol had Segman for a decade+ & then he became cocky and entered into crazy hedges/forwards that wiped out Revenue Reserves & almost sunk KK. Then he was 'retired' aka fired.
KQ & Naikuni [11 years]. 'Retired'
Olympia & Matu. Still hanging on.

On the other hand, we have other firms that have had steady hands on deck for years.
Equity & James Mwangi.
Wairegi & Britam.

Or will the skeletons come out of the closet when they leave?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
dunkang
#15 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2015 10:21:52 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Total changes MD again. Is this a good thing or not?
http://www.nation.co.ke/...4/-/lgcx6l/-/index.html

Imperial Bank had the same MD for decades & after he died the scams unfolded.
Kenol had Segman for a decade+ & then he became cocky and entered into crazy hedges/forwards that wiped out Revenue Reserves & almost sunk KK. Then he was 'retired' aka fired.
KQ & Naikuni [11 years]. 'Retired'
Olympia & Matu. Still hanging on.

On the other hand, we have other firms that have had steady hands on deck for years.
Equity & James Mwangi.
Wairegi & Britam.

Or will the skeletons come out of the closet when they leave?

That Nigeria Madam seemed clueless compared to the good job the KK MD was doing.

And why are African been replaced by Frenchies? The chairman Molapo gone, replaced by a Frenchman, then the CEO Eze gone replaced by a Frenchwoman. The Board and the management looks like Arsenal F.C at the dawn of the millennium.
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

Boris Boyka
#16 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2015 10:28:38 AM
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dunkang wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Total changes MD again. Is this a good thing or not?
http://www.nation.co.ke/...4/-/lgcx6l/-/index.html

Imperial Bank had the same MD for decades & after he died the scams unfolded.
Kenol had Segman for a decade+ & then he became cocky and entered into crazy hedges/forwards that wiped out Revenue Reserves & almost sunk KK. Then he was 'retired' aka fired.
KQ & Naikuni [11 years]. 'Retired'
Olympia & Matu. Still hanging on.

On the other hand, we have other firms that have had steady hands on deck for years.
Equity & James Mwangi.
Wairegi & Britam.

Or will the skeletons come out of the closet when they leave?

That Nigeria Madam seemed clueless compared to the good job the KK MD was doing.

And why are African been replaced by Frenchies? The chairman Molapo gone, replaced by a Frenchman, then the CEO Eze gone replaced by a Frenchwoman. The Board and the management looks like Arsenal F.C at the dawn of the millennium.

Africans main concern or business is to eat and have self enrichment, the rest is bullshit!
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
VituVingiSana
#17 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2015 10:48:30 AM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
dunkang wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Total changes MD again. Is this a good thing or not?
http://www.nation.co.ke/...4/-/lgcx6l/-/index.html

Imperial Bank had the same MD for decades & after he died the scams unfolded.
Kenol had Segman for a decade+ & then he became cocky and entered into crazy hedges/forwards that wiped out Revenue Reserves & almost sunk KK. Then he was 'retired' aka fired.
KQ & Naikuni [11 years]. 'Retired'
Olympia & Matu. Still hanging on.

On the other hand, we have other firms that have had steady hands on deck for years.
Equity & James Mwangi.
Wairegi & Britam.

Or will the skeletons come out of the closet when they leave?

That Nigeria Madam seemed clueless compared to the good job the KK MD was doing.

And why are African been replaced by Frenchies? The chairman Molapo gone, replaced by a Frenchman, then the CEO Eze gone replaced by a Frenchwoman. The Board and the management looks like Arsenal F.C at the dawn of the millennium.

Africans main concern or business is to eat and have self enrichment, the rest is bullshit!
Did you read about the EABL guy who kula'd 240mn? Aristide Nkoumondo, a Cameroonian
http://www.businessdaily...36/-/y8s7tx/-/index.html
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
dunkang
#18 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2015 11:13:35 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
dunkang wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Total changes MD again. Is this a good thing or not?
http://www.nation.co.ke/...4/-/lgcx6l/-/index.html

Imperial Bank had the same MD for decades & after he died the scams unfolded.
Kenol had Segman for a decade+ & then he became cocky and entered into crazy hedges/forwards that wiped out Revenue Reserves & almost sunk KK. Then he was 'retired' aka fired.
KQ & Naikuni [11 years]. 'Retired'
Olympia & Matu. Still hanging on.

On the other hand, we have other firms that have had steady hands on deck for years.
Equity & James Mwangi.
Wairegi & Britam.

Or will the skeletons come out of the closet when they leave?

That Nigeria Madam seemed clueless compared to the good job the KK MD was doing.

And why are African been replaced by Frenchies? The chairman Molapo gone, replaced by a Frenchman, then the CEO Eze gone replaced by a Frenchwoman. The Board and the management looks like Arsenal F.C at the dawn of the millennium.

Africans main concern or business is to eat and have self enrichment, the rest is bullshit!
Did you read about the EABL guy who kula'd 240mn? Aristide Nkoumondo, a Cameroonian
http://www.businessdaily...6/-/y8s7tx/-/index.html

Waafrika tumelaaniwa. No wonder Total (K) is kicking them out!
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

TheGeek
#19 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2015 11:49:30 AM
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dunkang wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
dunkang wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Total changes MD again. Is this a good thing or not?
http://www.nation.co.ke/...4/-/lgcx6l/-/index.html

Imperial Bank had the same MD for decades & after he died the scams unfolded.
Kenol had Segman for a decade+ & then he became cocky and entered into crazy hedges/forwards that wiped out Revenue Reserves & almost sunk KK. Then he was 'retired' aka fired.
KQ & Naikuni [11 years]. 'Retired'
Olympia & Matu. Still hanging on.

On the other hand, we have other firms that have had steady hands on deck for years.
Equity & James Mwangi.
Wairegi & Britam.

Or will the skeletons come out of the closet when they leave?

That Nigeria Madam seemed clueless compared to the good job the KK MD was doing.

And why are African been replaced by Frenchies? The chairman Molapo gone, replaced by a Frenchman, then the CEO Eze gone replaced by a Frenchwoman. The Board and the management looks like Arsenal F.C at the dawn of the millennium.

Africans main concern or business is to eat and have self enrichment, the rest is bullshit!
Did you read about the EABL guy who kula'd 240mn? Aristide Nkoumondo, a Cameroonian
http://www.businessdaily...6/-/y8s7tx/-/index.html

Waafrika tumelaaniwa. No wonder Total (K) is kicking them out!


kindly bee keen to review all the facts of the eabl case before maligning anyone.

In the world of securities, courage and patience become the supreme virtues after adequate knowledge and a tested judgment are at hand.
VituVingiSana
#20 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2015 3:09:53 AM
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TheGeek wrote:
dunkang wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
dunkang wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Total changes MD again. Is this a good thing or not?
http://www.nation.co.ke/...4/-/lgcx6l/-/index.html

Imperial Bank had the same MD for decades & after he died the scams unfolded.
Kenol had Segman for a decade+ & then he became cocky and entered into crazy hedges/forwards that wiped out Revenue Reserves & almost sunk KK. Then he was 'retired' aka fired.
KQ & Naikuni [11 years]. 'Retired'
Olympia & Matu. Still hanging on.

On the other hand, we have other firms that have had steady hands on deck for years.
Equity & James Mwangi.
Wairegi & Britam.

Or will the skeletons come out of the closet when they leave?

That Nigeria Madam seemed clueless compared to the good job the KK MD was doing.

And why are African been replaced by Frenchies? The chairman Molapo gone, replaced by a Frenchman, then the CEO Eze gone replaced by a Frenchwoman. The Board and the management looks like Arsenal F.C at the dawn of the millennium.

Africans main concern or business is to eat and have self enrichment, the rest is bullshit!
Did you read about the EABL guy who kula'd 240mn? Aristide Nkoumondo, a Cameroonian
http://www.businessdaily...6/-/y8s7tx/-/index.html

Waafrika tumelaaniwa. No wonder Total (K) is kicking them out!


kindly bee keen to review all the facts of the eabl case before maligning anyone.


So what are all the facts?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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