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Rank: Member Joined: 1/20/2015 Posts: 489 Location: Nairobi
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Simply put.....its historical. when Vanderbilt, Rocka Fella and the rest were busy building their nations in 1800s.... our grandfathers were busy mating and marrying many wives while hunting wild animals. Enjoy every moment of your life, you never know when your time will come.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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hehehe I always thought that being in the tropics is an advantage that we have not capitalised on, the video says it's a disadvantage, and we have poor soils! 16 degrees? 
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2011 Posts: 1,325
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Lolest! wrote:hehehe I always thought that being in the tropics is an advantage that we have not capitalised on, the video says it's a disadvantage, and we have poor soils! 16 degrees? Very true, I thought so too! European and North American weather is actually very harsh, imagine 6 months of winter, darkness throughout the day during winter, snow meaning harsh driving conditions, yearly flu season, high electricity bills in order to keep the house warm... I could go on and on. This video is trying to make Africans feel like victims, once you are made into a victim you have no incentive to pull yourself up by the bootstraps, coz afterall, you are likely to get dengue fever and be bit by tse tse flies!! A bunch of crap, how many Africans do you personally know who have suffered from these diseases?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Nabwire wrote:Lolest! wrote:hehehe I always thought that being in the tropics is an advantage that we have not capitalised on, the video says it's a disadvantage, and we have poor soils! 16 degrees? Very true, I thought so too! European and North American weather is actually very harsh, imagine 6 months of winter, darkness throughout the day during winter, snow meaning harsh driving conditions, yearly flu season, high electricity bills in order to keep the house warm... I could go on and on. This video is trying to make Africans feel like victims, once you are made into a victim you have no incentive to pull yourself up by the bootstraps, coz afterall, you are likely to get dengue fever and be bit by tse tse flies!! A bunch of crap, how many Africans do you personally know who have suffered from these diseases? What they are saying is that the harsh weather made them become innovative otherwise they would die of hunger or cold. Mwafrika as long as you can uproot an arrow root or cassava, you need not know how to preserve food for a "rainy day". "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2011 Posts: 1,325
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Murchr you can do better than that! Yes they briefly said what you are saying but overwhelmingly focused on the geography, harsh weather of Africa and diseases as the factors contributing to Africa's poverty. We all know the real reason Africa is "poor" is clueless corrupt leaders and economic hitmen. They talk about wealth being ferried out of Africa but dont mention that that wealth ends up in "rich" countries thus making them richer.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/9/2007 Posts: 288 Location: OZ
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Dont stress your minds, the answer is simple? Its not the guns, intellect, weather, culture .etc A research in this subject on why Nations or Civilisations are successful over others, 1000 page arrived at a simple answer- RISK TAKING? Any person, culture, tribe, country who continuously takes risk tend to be successful. In Kenya, we are now on right person. Entrepreneurship is at heart of Africans. Look at Thika Freeway, Mombasa to Kampala Railway, Look at whats happening in Machakos County!! The only thing disappointing is quality of media content, Politics should be reduced to less than 20% of news cycles, Get the country talking about Innovation and New Business... I am based in overseas and despite all the noise Africa is making big progress, the only question what's your share?? Its nice to be back, you will be hearing a lot from me.. P.S.. If anyone interested in research material, i can share the link... More monies, more problems...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,300 Location: kenya
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Seles83 wrote:Dont stress your minds, the answer is simple? Its not the guns, intellect, weather, culture .etc
A research in this subject on why Nations or Civilisations are successful over others, 1000 page arrived at a simple answer- RISK TAKING?
Any person, culture, tribe, country who continuously takes risk tend to be successful.
In Kenya, we are now on right person. Entrepreneurship is at heart of Africans. Look at Thika Freeway, Mombasa to Kampala Railway, Look at whats happening in Machakos County!!
The only thing disappointing is quality of media content, Politics should be reduced to less than 20% of new cycles, Get the country talking about Innovation and New Business...
I am based in overseas, despite all the noise Africa is making big progress, the only question whats your share??
Its nice to be back, you will be hearing a lot from me..
P.S.. If anyone interested in research material, i can share the link...
nice to be back home.welcome. friends of mine who came back from overseas have hih expectations of things but only to be disappointed that you don't get enough support and vision from the community. Africa is better as a continent to where it was decades ago .but there is a lot of rooms for improvement, we should have long sighted vision and not just our nose.Big up to machakos county. that leader is different. I think its because he was exposed to a culture somewhere in Washington during his PHD studies.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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Please share. Knowledge is power The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2011 Posts: 1,325
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Plus if I may add, having lived on those 3 continents, the problem with Africans is they generally dont think long term, just about everyone wants to earn a quick buck and doesnt mind screwing over their customer not realizing that bad publicity from customers travels quite fast and can bring down your business. Europeans and especially Americans value their customers and will go the extra level to keep their business, while Africans act like they are doing their customers a favor by selling to them! Ofcourse this is on a micro level, on the macro level if you permanently fix the problem of under qualified politicians ( thus fixing the problem of broken institutions) and economic hitmen who loot from Africa, most of the other problems will be solved.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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murchr wrote:
What they are saying is that the harsh weather made them become innovative otherwise they would die of hunger or cold. Mwafrika as long as you can uproot an arrow root or cassava, you need not know how to preserve food for a "rainy day".
They have not said that. You made me rewatch the video to see if i missed something. They're saying the opposite. That we are disadvantaged in every way because of being in the tropics. Even our food has low carbohydrate levels and phototropism is hampered by the weather here What you have opined is a different theory that posits that we have the advantage of nature but have not taken advantage; or that this very advantage has made us lazy and lacking in foresight. This is a position that I too have believed in though I wonder what we should think of Native Americans and Aborigines. Without the Caucasian invasion, I doubt they could have been any different from us though they face the extremes of nature in their homelands. Exposure to western civilisation early enough is a big factor. Remember our grandparents were engaging in raids on other communities and marrying many wives while in the west they were discovering flight, penicilin, laws of gravity, fine tuning democracy etc We are having to play catch up on so many fronts
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/27/2010 Posts: 495 Location: Nairobi
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This could be worth a thought or two: The Gospel of AidSent from my Black Nokia 3310
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Lolest! wrote:murchr wrote:
What they are saying is that the harsh weather made them become innovative otherwise they would die of hunger or cold. Mwafrika as long as you can uproot an arrow root or cassava, you need not know how to preserve food for a "rainy day".
They have not said that. You made me rewatch the video to see if i missed something. They're saying the opposite. That we are disadvantaged in every way because of being in the tropics. Even our food has low carbohydrate levels and phototropism is hampered by the weather here What you have opined is a different theory that posits that we have the advantage of nature but have not taken advantage; or that this very advantage has made us lazy and lacking in foresight. This is a position that I too have believed in though I wonder what we should think of Native Americans and Aborigines. Without the Caucasian invasion, I doubt they could have been any different from us though they face the extremes of nature in their homelands. Exposure to western civilisation early enough is a big factor. Remember our grandparents were engaging in raids on other communities and marrying many wives while in the west they were discovering flight, penicilin, laws of gravity, fine tuning democracy etc We are having to play catch up on so many fronts And we'll never catch up not until we stop thinking about eating today...its a culture thing. You asked about the native indians. Its worth noting that they domesticated and farmed close to 50-60% of the crops we call food today. In certain cases, the indigenous peoples developed entirely new species and strains through artificial selection, as was the case in the domestication and breeding of maize from wild teosinte grass. Ata malenge is a native american food...thats why the modern day American goes crazy with it in November(Thanks giving-harvest time) On 16 degrees, do you think that its just a mere coincidence that in Kenya farmers in the highlands do better than those in low lands? Rural ukambani is more prone to disease infestation in plants, humans and animals more than the slopes of Mt Kenya or Mt Elgon, it is also true that the geographical placement plays a very big role in undermining agriculture. Compare the matoke from Kisii to that from elsewhere, the maize from the rift to tht from ukambani...climate plays a damn big role East Africa was exposed to western civilization at almost the same time as Asian countries such as India Singapore and the Koreas.....so....how do we compare? Our biggest let down, apart from politicians is the media who have created a demi gods in our politicians. Kenyans believe that their problems begin and end with politicians but in the true sense of things....that aint true. But the truth is the media content out there is substandard and non-educative. How many talk talk and more opinion talk shows are forced to Kenyans? Its crazy "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/9/2007 Posts: 288 Location: OZ
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I couldn't agree more, the Kenyan prime time new content is just GARBAGE....The morning shows are somewhat educative. If the media keeps the public engaged and captivated on GARBAGE, then that's what pre-occupies Masses.. Its this sort of GARBAGE News that gives like Sonko and the rest relevance.. More monies, more problems...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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We do not create, but love consuming - just look at wazua as an example, most discussions lie between politics and stock/money investments - very little in the sme section, very few are willing to do the dirty work.
Its like on a farm, where a farmer is mostly preoccupied with betting on speculating if the neigboring farms will have better yields or not. I think we need to get dirty more.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,300 Location: kenya
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nakujua wrote:We do not create, but love consuming - just look at wazua as an example, most discussions lie between politics and stock/money investments - very little in the sme section, very few are willing to do the dirty work.
Its like on a farm, where a farmer is mostly preoccupied with betting on speculating if the neigboring farms will have better yields or not. I think we need to get dirty more. load us with tips @nakujua.. what I know the problem is that politics go hand in hand with economy /stocks . let me give you an example.@mnadii gives all his examples to how political crisis affects the human behavioral pattern (thus obeying the wave pattern he refers to all the time) hence affecting how investment is done. If we make good constructive political criticism in us then we can know how the mood is to jump in or jump out on floor,,,, im just saying and could be right or wrong but stand to be corrected .socio-politics affects much the socio-economic dynamics.they are so so much correlated and cant separate the two ...this is just me how I see it
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/27/2010 Posts: 495 Location: Nairobi
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nakujua wrote:We do not create, but love consuming - just look at wazua as an example, most discussions lie between politics and stock/money investments - very little in the sme section, very few are willing to do the dirty work.
Its like on a farm, where a farmer is mostly preoccupied with betting on speculating if the neigboring farms will have better yields or not. I think we need to get dirty more. Very apt. Reminds me of this long but thought provoking article written by Mwarang'ethe Njoguu in 2011: The African's Tastes and Desires: Their Economic, Social, Political and Military ImplicationsSent from my Black Nokia 3310
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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enyands wrote:nakujua wrote:We do not create, but love consuming - just look at wazua as an example, most discussions lie between politics and stock/money investments - very little in the sme section, very few are willing to do the dirty work.
Its like on a farm, where a farmer is mostly preoccupied with betting on speculating if the neigboring farms will have better yields or not. I think we need to get dirty more. load us with tips @nakujua.. what I know the problem is that politics go hand in hand with economy /stocks . let me give you an example.@mnadii gives all his examples to how political crisis affects the human behavioral pattern (thus obeying the wave pattern he refers to all the time) hence affecting how investment is done. If we make good constructive political criticism in us then we can know how the mood is to jump in or jump out on floor,,,, im just saying and could be right or wrong but stand to be corrected .socio-politics affects much the socio-economic dynamics.they are so so much correlated and cant separate the two ...this is just me how I see it Of course as you mention politics will go hand in hand with the economy / stocks, I am not disputing that. But in my view we missed a stage, a stage where those who had the money, or resources could only multiply the same by producing more - of course that was before the modern investment / money making tools came around. If you look at it, politics and the stock market are great drivers of a decent economy, but if introduced too early you find your self in a situation where you are trying to drive a vehicle whose engine is not yet complete. Developing countries I feel find themselves in that situation, where those who have the money, or resources (education) find it easier propping or seeking to prop up a very narrow mature segemnt and making all efforts to close it up. SO where does that leave the majority who do not have - disparities become extreme.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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nakujua wrote:enyands wrote:nakujua wrote:We do not create, but love consuming - just look at wazua as an example, most discussions lie between politics and stock/money investments - very little in the sme section, very few are willing to do the dirty work.
Its like on a farm, where a farmer is mostly preoccupied with betting on speculating if the neigboring farms will have better yields or not. I think we need to get dirty more. load us with tips @nakujua.. what I know the problem is that politics go hand in hand with economy /stocks . let me give you an example.@mnadii gives all his examples to how political crisis affects the human behavioral pattern (thus obeying the wave pattern he refers to all the time) hence affecting how investment is done. If we make good constructive political criticism in us then we can know how the mood is to jump in or jump out on floor,,,, im just saying and could be right or wrong but stand to be corrected .socio-politics affects much the socio-economic dynamics.they are so so much correlated and cant separate the two ...this is just me how I see it Of course as you mention politics will go hand in hand with the economy / stocks, I am not disputing that. But in my view we missed a stage, a stage where those who had the money, or resources could only multiply the same by producing more - of course that was before the modern investment / money making tools came around. If you look at it, politics and the stock market are great drivers of a decent economy, but if introduced too early you find your self in a situation where you are trying to drive a vehicle whose engine is not yet complete. Developing countries I feel find themselves in that situation, where those who have the money, or resources (education) find it easier propping or seeking to prop up a very narrow mature segemnt and making all efforts to close it up. SO where does that leave the majority who do not have - disparities become extreme. We messed up the education system Why do policy makers think that all of the kids in Kenya can only be in professions that involve maths, and science? They took away vital subjects such as Arts and Crafts Music etc. You cannot build anything without the creative mind. Steve Jobs MAC succeeded after he incorporated art in the whole design. As the kids progress to high school and university, one glaring thing that shows is the lack of critical thinking skills...even at the work place, that's because kids study for exams that go like "Name factors that lead to soil erosion, What is ...nothing problem solving..thats why many employers claim that our graduates are half baked...conceptualization is a problem. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/1/2008 Posts: 141
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lack of patriotism none care each other or the country development corruption and tribal issues while we still colonized in our minds.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,300 Location: kenya
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murchr wrote:nakujua wrote:enyands wrote:nakujua wrote:We do not create, but love consuming - just look at wazua as an example, most discussions lie between politics and stock/money investments - very little in the sme section, very few are willing to do the dirty work.
Its like on a farm, where a farmer is mostly preoccupied with betting on speculating if the neigboring farms will have better yields or not. I think we need to get dirty more. load us with tips @nakujua.. what I know the problem is that politics go hand in hand with economy /stocks . let me give you an example.@mnadii gives all his examples to how political crisis affects the human behavioral pattern (thus obeying the wave pattern he refers to all the time) hence affecting how investment is done. If we make good constructive political criticism in us then we can know how the mood is to jump in or jump out on floor,,,, im just saying and could be right or wrong but stand to be corrected .socio-politics affects much the socio-economic dynamics.they are so so much correlated and cant separate the two ...this is just me how I see it Of course as you mention politics will go hand in hand with the economy / stocks, I am not disputing that. But in my view we missed a stage, a stage where those who had the money, or resources could only multiply the same by producing more - of course that was before the modern investment / money making tools came around. If you look at it, politics and the stock market are great drivers of a decent economy, but if introduced too early you find your self in a situation where you are trying to drive a vehicle whose engine is not yet complete. Developing countries I feel find themselves in that situation, where those who have the money, or resources (education) find it easier propping or seeking to prop up a very narrow mature segemnt and making all efforts to close it up. SO where does that leave the majority who do not have - disparities become extreme. We messed up the education system Why do policy makers think that all of the kids in Kenya can only be in professions that involve maths, and science? They took away vital subjects such as Arts and Crafts Music etc. You cannot build anything without the creative mind. Steve Jobs MAC succeeded after he incorporated art in the whole design. As the kids progress to high school and university, one glaring thing that shows is the lack of critical thinking skills...even at the work place, that's because kids study for exams that go like "Name factors that lead to soil erosion, What is ...nothing problem solving..thats why many employers claim that our graduates are half baked...conceptualization is a problem. @murchr you are right. Seriously if these guys are still teaching about how to stop soil erosion at primary schools is just garbage. When kids are in primary I believe that's when they can be moulded to get a talent and perfect what they are good at .lakini you imbibe their brains with garbage about soil erosion ?? Really ,who told you that that kid will want to be a farmer? Germany as a country ,kids a nurtured into engineering world when they are young .you will never see kids there in Europe being taught how to stop soil erosion .they let the kids develop their career in what pleases them. Another garbage is kids in usa are taught, geography and in this geography they learn 90% topography of usa(coz it belongs to them ) ,5% Europe ,4% Asia and 1% Africa( of which they concetrate on Egypt and their funny pyramids )lakini here kenya they teach you all garbage about usa, Asia ,bla bla.tell me unafundisha mtoto about tundra in usa,how will it help this kenyan kid and all his life maybe he will never step in usa.there is alot of irrelevance in our education .
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