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The Acorn Saga - Britam vs Cytonn
murchr
#141 Posted : Friday, July 24, 2015 7:36:52 PM
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murchr#31 Posted : Saturday, October 11, 2014 3:08:37 AM wrote:
Metasploit wrote:
murchr wrote:
Mr Market punished Britam to the max Thursday. Wacha tuone kesho


Time to buy for quick short term gains

Remember when equity CFO resigned and the stock dipped.


Fundamentally, the stock is still expensive and with the news that its losing business......mmmh!!! Maybe the seemingly "Cheap" price will play well with the psychologically.


Na bado, still expensive Pray
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The Merchant
#142 Posted : Tuesday, August 18, 2015 4:11:30 PM
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How is Cytonn doing?
muganda
#143 Posted : Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:16:20 PM
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They have decided to unwind and live in peace.
- 5bn cash and 40bn land returned to Britam.
- Acorn takes back their shareholding and four independent projects.
- Criminal cases against Acorn directors dropped save for Britam ex-employees.

muganda
#144 Posted : Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:25:20 PM
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But an uneasy Peace it seems to be, especially upon reading the Cytonn version of the settlement https://www.cytonn.com/n...ws-suits-against-cytonn (earlier titled britam-concedes-defeat)

Yet they've returned this and that? Seems Britam looks kinder upon Acorn, but Britam/Cytonn have bitterness to deal with.


Cytonn's release: Britam withdraws all five suits filed against cytonn and / or its founding directors
Britam's release: This agreement is between Britam and Acorn only, and excludes the ex-employees.


Update: Cytonn updated their statement, changing the title, substance remains, and backing claim all cases against Acorn/Cytonn directors now dropped.
Link draft court orders: https://cytonn.com/downl...ders_for_withdrawal.pdf
dunkang
#145 Posted : Friday, October 23, 2015 2:34:49 AM
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Its clear that the Ndande group has been cornered.

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Following the legal settlement, Britam will recover high-value land in Nairobi, which includes five acres in Kileleshwa, 2.5 acres along Elgon Road in Upper Hill, 25 acres in Mlolongo and 182 acres in Lukenya, Machakos County.

“These projects have an estimated value of Sh40 billion. Acorn has also agreed to transfer back to Britam the mandate to operate the various bank accounts and cash balances in relation to these projects
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Horton
#146 Posted : Friday, October 23, 2015 3:37:04 AM
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dunkang wrote:
Its clear that the Ndande group has been cornered.

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Following the legal settlement, Britam will recover high-value land in Nairobi, which includes five acres in Kileleshwa, 2.5 acres along Elgon Road in Upper Hill, 25 acres in Mlolongo and 182 acres in Lukenya, Machakos County.

“These projects have an estimated value of Sh40 billion. Acorn has also agreed to transfer back to Britam the mandate to operate the various bank accounts and cash balances in relation to these projects



Erm how have they been "cornered" cases were dropped? The settlement was with Acorn giving up land and britam giving up stake in Acorn. Cytonn has no interests in Acorn.

And i believe its Dande not whatever u wrote.

Point being these 3 groups can now get down to business vs running in and out of court all day.

Pesa Nane
#147 Posted : Friday, October 23, 2015 10:12:31 AM
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Consent Terms:

Acorn will return Sh. 5Bn (cash and land)
Britam will recover 5Acre Kileleshwa land
Britam will recover 2.5Acre Upper Hill land (Elgon Rd.)
Britam will recover 25Acres in Mlolongo
Britam will recover 182 Acres in Lukenya
Britam relinguishes its interest in Acorn Group and Acorn projects on Jogoo rd. Baba Dogo, Lavington and Kitengela
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Pesa Nane
#148 Posted : Friday, October 23, 2015 10:26:46 AM
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Note: No settle against Cytonn and it's directors Edwin Dande, Elizabeth Nkukuu, Patricia Wanjama and Shiv Arora.
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dunkang
#149 Posted : Friday, October 23, 2015 10:29:12 AM
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Horton wrote:
dunkang wrote:
Its clear that the Ndande group has been cornered.

Quote:
Following the legal settlement, Britam will recover high-value land in Nairobi, which includes five acres in Kileleshwa, 2.5 acres along Elgon Road in Upper Hill, 25 acres in Mlolongo and 182 acres in Lukenya, Machakos County.

“These projects have an estimated value of Sh40 billion. Acorn has also agreed to transfer back to Britam the mandate to operate the various bank accounts and cash balances in relation to these projects



Erm how have they been "cornered" cases were dropped? The settlement was with Acorn giving up land and britam giving up stake in Acorn. Cytonn has no interests in Acorn.

And i believe its Dande not whatever u wrote.

Point being these 3 groups can now get down to business vs running in and out of court all day.



Criminal proceedings against ex-employees will continue!! Eeeeeerm. Who are the ex-employees?
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innairobi
#150 Posted : Friday, October 23, 2015 11:09:31 AM
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Cytonn trying to recover legal costs. Must be a painful expense for such a small company. They are competing with an elephant at shitting. I think Britam just wants to frustrate, defame and bleed them to death ili iwe funzo.
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Pesa Nane
#151 Posted : Friday, October 23, 2015 1:40:53 PM
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Quote:
PRESS RELEASE
BRITAM AND ACORN AGREE TO SETTLE A MULTI -BILLION DISPUTE OUT OF
COURT

Nairobi, October 22/15… The High Court has approved an out-of court settlement between diversified financial services Group, Britam and property management development company, Acorn over a multi-billion shilling dispute.

Under the terms of the deal, Acorn has agreed to return over KSh5 billion in cash and land that had been purchased with funds irregularly transferred to the firm by Britam ex-employees.

Following the legal settlement, Britam will recover high-value land in Nairobi, which includes 5 acres in Kileleshwa, 2.5 acres along Elgon Road in Upper Hill, 25 acres in Mlolongo and 182 acres in Lukenya, Machakos County. These projects have an estimated value of Ksh 40 billion. Acorn has also agreed to transfer back to Britam the
mandate to operate the various bank accounts and cash balances in relation to these projects.

On its part, Britam has agreed to relinquish its interests in Acorn Group and projects initiated by the firm on Jogoo Road, Baba Dogo, Lavington and Kitengela. Under the terms of the negotiated agreement, Britam has further agreed not to pursue any criminal complaint against Acorn or any of its directors. The criminal case against Britam’s ex-employees will continue to be pursued.

The dispute pitting Britam against Acorn and Britam’s former employees started late last year, sparking what became one of the most high-profile court battles in Kenya’s corporate history. Britam, through its lawyers, Fred Ngatia, filed five suits against Acorn and its affiliated entities, as well as the former employees in a bid to recover over Sh5 billion that had been irregularly transferred from Britam to Acorn and its related entities.

In a rejoinder, Acorn directors filed judicial review applications at the High Court to stop criminal and civil proceedings against them.
This agreement is between Britam and Acorn only, and excludes the ex-employees. It effectively reverses the irregularly transferred funds and land which had been acquired
without the requisite approval and authority from the Britam board.

Britam Group Managing Director Dr Benson Wairegi said that the two companies had reached an amicable out of court agreement with respect to the legal dispute that arose last year. The settlement has been recorded in Court and the lawsuits between Britam and Acorn withdrawn.
“Under the terms of the settlement, Britam and Acorn have agreed to pursue their real estate strategies independently. The settlement is only between Britam and Acorn,” said Dr Wairegi.

About British-American Investments Company (Kenya) Limited
Britam is a leading diversified financial services group, listed on the Nairobi Securities Exchange. The group has interests across the Eastern and Southern Africa region, with offices in Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Rwanda, South Sudan, Mozambique and Malawi.
The company offers a wide range of financial products and services in Insurance, Asset management, Banking and Property. The product range includes: life, health and general insurance, pensions, unit trusts, investment planning, wealth management, offshore investments, retirement planning, discretionary portfolio management, Property
development and private Equity.

For more information please visit http://www.britam.co.ke/
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VituVingiSana
#152 Posted : Saturday, October 24, 2015 1:46:15 AM
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The damaging stuff:

funds irregularly transferred to the firm by Britam ex-employees.
The criminal case against Britam’s ex-employees will continue to be pursued.

Whether deserved or not. Toss enough mud & see what sticks.
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murchr
#153 Posted : Saturday, October 24, 2015 2:38:39 AM
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Cytonn Statement wrote:
Britam withdraws all five suits filed against cytonn and / or its founding directors

October 22, 2015

NAIROBI, October 22 2015 – Britam has today withdrawn all the five suits filed against Cytonn and its founding directors. As we have always held, these were malicious suits, without merit, and were filed with the sole intention of frustrating the team that left Britam to go for a competing investment and real estate business, Cytonn Investments and Cytonn Real Estate. We have always been confident that the suits were without merit and we are glad to note that all the 5 civil suits against Cytonn and or its founding team have been withdrawn.

As contained in our responding affidavits, Britam has never lost any money as they had claimed in the suits that they have since withdrawn. Instead, this was a commercial dispute that involved 2 aspects:

On its part, Britam ex-employees left Britam because of their refusal to be part of undermining the interest of investors.
Britam wanted approximately Kshs. 5 billion of deals that were financed largely by BAAM investors’ money and developed by Acorn Group. Britam and Acorn have agreed to part ways and as part of that, Acorn has given up its interest in developing the disputed deal pipeline and the assets.
Britam have withdrawn the malicious lawsuit, on its part Cytonn will now file for a judgment on costs.

We take note of the press statement by Britam that monies were transferred irregularly, those remain assertions by Britam and the issue of irregular transfers was not heard and or determined by any court and purely remain Britam’s views. We wish to lay out the fact pattern:


Britam employees disagreed with the board and management of Britam based on Britam’s attempt to undermine the interest of the investing public, and the Cytonn team left to form its own business.



This aint over yet....NOTE TO MADAM ADMIN.***Do NOT summarize my post again not everyone has the capability to click on links****
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Horton
#154 Posted : Saturday, October 24, 2015 7:18:00 AM
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innairobi wrote:
Cytonn trying to recover legal costs. Must be a painful expense for such a small company. They are competing with an elephant at shitting. I think Britam just wants to frustrate, defame and bleed them to death ili iwe funzo.



I dont think Cytonn is small. I have invested with them. They are an extremely well oiled machine.very efficient They have projects worth 50B in the pipeline. Britam, im sure are scared. Their best minds have left them, to compete with them! These court cases seem frivolous.
Sober
#155 Posted : Saturday, October 24, 2015 11:19:41 AM
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Horton wrote:
innairobi wrote:
Cytonn trying to recover legal costs. Must be a painful expense for such a small company. They are competing with an elephant at shitting. I think Britam just wants to frustrate, defame and bleed them to death ili iwe funzo.



I dont think Cytonn is small. I have invested with them. They are an extremely well oiled machine.very efficient They have projects worth 50B in the pipeline. Britam, im sure are scared. Their best minds have left them, to compete with them! These court cases seem frivolous.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly i have a very strong feeling the Ksh 50 Billion worth of projects is a figure picked from the media. This was cast by Cytonn to show they are a force to reckon.

Let us break down the 50B.
The Amara Ridge project that sits on 5 acres in Karen is said to be about 1B consisting of 10 5-bedroom houses each with a sale price of 95 million with the construction scheduled to take 2 years

Now, considering the aforementioned we now have to account for the remaining 49 Billion. In addition to the Amara Ridge we have the following projects in the pipeline: Lukenya, Mavoko, Athi River, Kiambu and Ruaka(no real figures were attached to these).

Most of their muscle will come from Talleri(principle investor) I can confirm. But where is the 49 Billion?
I can give then 5 Billion on the higher side.
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Sober
#156 Posted : Saturday, October 24, 2015 11:21:55 AM
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Horton wrote:
innairobi wrote:
Cytonn trying to recover legal costs. Must be a painful expense for such a small company. They are competing with an elephant at shitting. I think Britam just wants to frustrate, defame and bleed them to death ili iwe funzo.



I dont think Cytonn is small. I have invested with them. They are an extremely well oiled machine.very efficient They have projects worth 50B in the pipeline. Britam, im sure are scared. Their best minds have left them, to compete with them! These court cases seem frivolous.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly i have a very strong feeling the Ksh 50 Billion worth of projects is a figure picked from the media. This was cast by Cytonn to show they are a force to reckon.

Let us break down the 50B.
The Amara Ridge project that sits on 5 acres in Karen is said to be about 1B consisting of 10 5-bedroom houses each with a sale price of 95 million with the construction scheduled to take 2 years

Now, considering the aforementioned we now have to account for the remaining 49 Billion. In addition to the Amara Ridge we have the following projects in the pipeline: Lukenya, Mavoko, Athi River, Kiambu and Ruaka(no real figures were attached to these).

Most of their muscle will come from Talleri(principle investor) I can confirm. But where is the 49 Billion? considering the company is 12 months onld in terms or registration.

I can give them 5 Billion on the higher side.
African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
dunkang
#157 Posted : Sunday, October 25, 2015 8:19:04 AM
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Sober wrote:
Horton wrote:
innairobi wrote:
Cytonn trying to recover legal costs. Must be a painful expense for such a small company. They are competing with an elephant at shitting. I think Britam just wants to frustrate, defame and bleed them to death ili iwe funzo.



I dont think Cytonn is small. I have invested with them. They are an extremely well oiled machine.very efficient They have projects worth 50B in the pipeline. Britam, im sure are scared. Their best minds have left them, to compete with them! These court cases seem frivolous.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly i have a very strong feeling the Ksh 50 Billion worth of projects is a figure picked from the media. This was cast by Cytonn to show they are a force to reckon.

Let us break down the 50B.
The Amara Ridge project that sits on 5 acres in Karen is said to be about 1B consisting of 10 5-bedroom houses each with a sale price of 95 million with the construction scheduled to take 2 years

Now, considering the aforementioned we now have to account for the remaining 49 Billion. In addition to the Amara Ridge we have the following projects in the pipeline: Lukenya, Mavoko, Athi River, Kiambu and Ruaka(no real figures were attached to these).

Most of their muscle will come from Talleri(principle investor) I can confirm. But where is the 49 Billion? considering the company is 12 months onld in terms or registration.

I can give them 5 Billion on the higher side.

Its people living in denial. Investing in someone who conned others is like like throwing your money into the pit Latrine. This reminds me of the (in)famous Claudio Osorio. The Lies Link
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bird_man
#158 Posted : Sunday, October 25, 2015 9:52:52 AM
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dunkang wrote:
Sober wrote:
Horton wrote:
innairobi wrote:
Cytonn trying to recover legal costs. Must be a painful expense for such a small company. They are competing with an elephant at shitting. I think Britam just wants to frustrate, defame and bleed them to death ili iwe funzo.



I dont think Cytonn is small. I have invested with them. They are an extremely well oiled machine.very efficient They have projects worth 50B in the pipeline. Britam, im sure are scared. Their best minds have left them, to compete with them! These court cases seem frivolous.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly i have a very strong feeling the Ksh 50 Billion worth of projects is a figure picked from the media. This was cast by Cytonn to show they are a force to reckon.

Let us break down the 50B.
The Amara Ridge project that sits on 5 acres in Karen is said to be about 1B consisting of 10 5-bedroom houses each with a sale price of 95 million with the construction scheduled to take 2 years

Now, considering the aforementioned we now have to account for the remaining 49 Billion. In addition to the Amara Ridge we have the following projects in the pipeline: Lukenya, Mavoko, Athi River, Kiambu and Ruaka(no real figures were attached to these).

Most of their muscle will come from Talleri(principle investor) I can confirm. But where is the 49 Billion? considering the company is 12 months onld in terms or registration.

I can give them 5 Billion on the higher side.

Its people living in denial. Investing in someone who conned others is like like throwing your money into the pit Latrine. This reminds me of the (in)famous Claudio Osorio. The Lies Link


I would never trust conmen with my money.
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Horton
#159 Posted : Sunday, October 25, 2015 10:54:42 PM
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@dukang, bird what you have put here are very serious claims is it backed by facts or just by hear say & disoriented apprehension?? Because Britam hasnt managed to convince the court in 1 year about these "claims" Would you like to substantiate your claims ?? I'm sure the court would love to hear your views if they are indeed based on facts, in our innocent until proven guilty world!

do u know anyone they have conned to be called "conmen??? such inane statements should be left at the bar stools! Give us facts, not your twisted perceptions!

@Sober, have been to several of their events, and I have picked up that there extremely large projects coming soon, Ruaka alone is 2B, U haven't factored their 2nd Karen project situ which is on 29acres some of which will be built and then sold, others will be sold off as serviced plots.they had broken it down for us on one of these events, can't quite remember the specifics.

Could it be that Britam have lost some of their best brains (and ideas) & there is lack of innovation on products and so they go and do a law suit against their former employees in trepidation? If it was indeed that straight forward, why wasn't this case concluded quickly? Don't give me the jargon on cases in Kenya take long..coz thats baloney! Cytonn being David, has less material & political clout vs Britam (read Goliath). Cytonn poached and signed up Britam's biggest clients soon after setting up.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201411101120.html

Think about it, even Acorn preferred dealing with the younger, more dynamic Cytonn vs securing a deal with ye 'ol Britam, who owned a quarter of the company and 2 seats on the Acorn board! That should be worth something!

We should applaud these young folks who, if you ever dealt with them, are straight shooters and tell you as it is! Duka and bird, if you don't know the specifics or havent dealt with either (which is where I put my money) then you shouldn't comment for the heck of it, i really followed the case as I wanted to invest with these guys but wanted to know that my hard earned money is also safe. I am happy to note that, so far,I am quite chuffed with their services! In my 15 years of being a very unadventurous investor, I would highly recommend them!

VituVingiSana
#160 Posted : Monday, October 26, 2015 3:37:12 AM
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@Horton
"Don't give me the jargon on cases in Kenya take long..coz thats baloney!"

They do. A simple matter I am involved in has not had a hearing for 12+ months. The judge is lazy. Dates are taken for Mentions. And new (deferred) dates are given for mentions at these dates! Then the judge goes on vacation [why give a date if you are going on vacation?] so the mention for the hearing is postponed by the Clerk to a date when she MIGHT be back. BTW, this doesn't even account for the court vacation which means no hearing/court dates for 6 weeks.

All this is after BOTH parties just want a ruling on a matter. At one point the judge took 20 minutes off to read a 2-page submission she had for 2 weeks. I kid you not. Then she deferred her decision & gave another date for the mention to set a date for the ruling.

Once, the case was not even listed on the date given for the mention. So a new date was given. Then the file goes missing. So you go back to the judge to get permission to 're-create' the file. This takes 2 court dates. Another 3 weeks. Even that was after folks threw a fit.

Long story short. You can die while the case is going on.

Now a complex case like Britam vs Cytonn, seeing how long a simple matter takes, can take a decade! It has been almost 2 years with 1+ year spent not on a ruling (on a specific item) but trying to get a date for a ruling for that simple item/submission!

Now I understand why banks don't want to foreclose. It can take them years to get a ruling.
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