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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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Rollout wrote:Nabwire wrote:I will refer you to numerous online articles, what I stated above is not just my opinion, its the opinion of numerous reports. Racism is very much alive and well in the US, you may want people to believe differently, that the US is some kind of heaven, thats your prerogative. I will not argue on trivial issues! California is largely a blue state, that does not in anyway mean that there are no racists in CA. People romanticized Obama's campaign and made it look like the endorsements and victory just came by so easily. No, there were groups of people who had to work very hard to ensure that, Obama's victory was no walk in the park. Racism threatened the campaign very much, you'd see it in tea party rallies where Obama was depicted as an African witch doctor, there were unsuccessful attempts at trying to depict Michelle as an angry black woman, even Obama's kids were fair game. Thats why the campaign rolled out heavy publicity to counter all that, with numerous mentions of Obama's white mother and grandparents to remind white voters that he wasn't this black panther type of caricature that faux news was trying to paint. @Nabwire, It's not the issue of, "is there racism in USA?" it's the issue of, "is there enough racism in USA to impact an election?" I think we already have the answer for that question, the answer is NO, there isn't enough racists people to impact elections in USA but in Kenya there is enough tribalists to impact an election. I don't know what you are trying to explain here? I am glad I am not the only one who thinks Nabwire is utterly and completely confused. She has not made a single valid point in her ramblings. And she probably will not. I've made my point. So thats a wrap for me on this thread
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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murchr wrote:[quote=Alba]In reply to Nabwire
Now that you agree that the US is racial - even tho its not as tribal as we are* - then you should also note that tribalism is not the reason why poverty exists.
Poverty is a mindset issue..the belief that nothing Kenyan is worth its salt hence the rush to get anything foreign. The belief that one can only make it in the city and if they have a white collar job. The belief that things cannot be done differently and they have to follow a pre-described pattern. That mindset is the root cause of poverty. The US is not as racial as Kenya is tribal. This could not be more obvious. Obama would have zero chance of being elected in Kenya. Racism does not hold the US back as much as tribalism holds Kenya back In Kenya, tribalism prevents us from holding leaders accountable. It causes us to vote for people who clear do not deserve office e.g. Kibaki who with his lazy / dont care attitude. Poverty starts at the very top with policies instituted by the president on downwards. If you have an incompetent man at the top, the country is doomed. Tribalism is also the only reason the PEV 2007 happened. Tension and fighting between ethnic groups is common all over Africa and is a key reason for causing poverty. Tribalism also means that tenders, contracts and positions do not go to the most competent people but to people in politically correct tribes. Tribalism has also historically caused government investments to be made in regions that are not worth investing in. The Eldoret airport is an example of a white elephant built based on tribalism Tribalism is not the only factor causing poverty. But it is a major factor.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/26/2011 Posts: 759
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Alba wrote:Rollout wrote:Nabwire wrote:I will refer you to numerous online articles, what I stated above is not just my opinion, its the opinion of numerous reports. Racism is very much alive and well in the US, you may want people to believe differently, that the US is some kind of heaven, thats your prerogative. I will not argue on trivial issues! California is largely a blue state, that does not in anyway mean that there are no racists in CA. People romanticized Obama's campaign and made it look like the endorsements and victory just came by so easily. No, there were groups of people who had to work very hard to ensure that, Obama's victory was no walk in the park. Racism threatened the campaign very much, you'd see it in tea party rallies where Obama was depicted as an African witch doctor, there were unsuccessful attempts at trying to depict Michelle as an angry black woman, even Obama's kids were fair game. Thats why the campaign rolled out heavy publicity to counter all that, with numerous mentions of Obama's white mother and grandparents to remind white voters that he wasn't this black panther type of caricature that faux news was trying to paint. As a matter of fact, I am beginning to think Nabwire is probably trying to scare other Kenyans by invoking the fact that she worked for Obama campaign.......... I think she is less interested in facts..... @Nabwire, It's not the issue of, "is there racism in USA?" it's the issue of, "is there enough racism in USA to impact an election?" I think we already have the answer for that question, the answer is NO, there isn't enough racists people to impact elections in USA but in Kenya there is enough tribalists to impact an election. I don't know what you are trying to explain here? I am glad I am not the only one who thinks Nabwire is utterly and completely confused. She has not made a single valid point in her ramblings. And she probably will not. I've made my point. So thats a wrap for me on this thread
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/26/2011 Posts: 759
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@ Alba,
I think you are new here so let me help you out. Murchr is someone you don't wanna engage because of so many reason but in short, Murchr has in the past supported Gaddafi and called him all the good names, he is also against ICC and think RAILA is controlling ICC. so thats the kind of person you are dealing with.
Nabwire on the other hand is sometimes sober and intelligent but She would regulary suprise you with wild allegations, I believe she reside in USA and is probably 3-6yrs into her stay in the USA. I know you've been in USA for sometime and you will understand when someone living in USA start highlighting racism, it is most likely when they realized that their dreams of being that highflying professional is slipping away and suddenly they start holding onto and highlighting at every opportunity a small achievement( like an opportunity to work for a campaign for free) while pointing to everyone how racism is so bad that she/he couldn't make it far..... I know you can understand that.
Now about me, my name is Drunkard 10k Rollout, I am one of the most hated guy in wazua, I am everything you don't wanna be here, and I love it.
@Nabwire and Murchr,no hard feeling,lunch on me if you'll ever see me in person.
Welcome to Wazua!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Alba wrote:murchr wrote:[quote=Alba]In reply to Nabwire
Now that you agree that the US is racial - even tho its not as tribal as we are* - then you should also note that tribalism is not the reason why poverty exists.
Poverty is a mindset issue..the belief that nothing Kenyan is worth its salt hence the rush to get anything foreign. The belief that one can only make it in the city and if they have a white collar job. The belief that things cannot be done differently and they have to follow a pre-described pattern. That mindset is the root cause of poverty. The US is not as racial as Kenya is tribal. Excellent..Agreed This could not be more obvious. Obama would have zero chance of being elected in Kenya. He would be elected if he had the right combination. Just like he had the right combination in 2012 Racism does not hold the US back as much as tribalism holds Kenya back This is where i differ with you because the tribe does not think rather individuals do. I wouldn't mind having individuals of the same tribe as long as they delivered.....we fail when we start counting how many tribes are represented where etc..when we focus on results then we are bound to get the change we needIn Kenya, tribalism prevents us from holding leaders accountable Think. Every MPIG represents a constituency that has a majority native tribe apart from the cities esp Nrb very few constituencies have elected a non-native eg Kisumu and Meru.. It causes us to vote for people who clear do not deserve office e.g. Kibaki who with his lazy / dont care attitude Apparently this lazy man delivered tangible results despite the politics, you've been to the US for 15 years tembea you see real change. Poverty starts at the very top with policies instituted by the president on downwards Agreed, but poverty is a mindset. As I explained earlier. Perhaps for discussion sake, you may state a policy you know that has caused poverty esp in the Kibaki era. 1 Example Kazi kwa vijana. If you have an incompetent man at the top, the country is doomed. Tribalism is also the only reason the PEV 2007 happened. Tension and fighting between ethnic groups is common all over Africa and is a key reason for causing poverty. Tribalism also means that tenders, contracts and positions do not go to the most competent people but to people in politically correct tribes That happens everywhere, and its worse even in the richest countries. Note the lobbying that is done by parties before elections esp US . Tribalism has also historically caused government investments to be made in regions that are not worth investing in. The Eldoret airport is an example of a white elephant built based on tribalism Its possible it was a white elephant then but now ELD Airport is a cargo hub which is very busy and requires expansion. By the way, while you were away several other airports have bee built here and there...google is your friend. Anyway...why should the executive propose a white elephant project and parliament approves? What are the representatives of the others doing? Tribalism is not the only factor causing poverty. But it is a major factor. Its not a factor at all. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Rollout wrote:@ Alba,
I think you are new here so let me help you out. Murchr is someone you don't wanna engage because of so many reason but in short, Murchr has in the past supported Gaddafi and called him all the good names, he is also against ICC and think RAILA is controlling ICC. so thats the kind of person you are dealing with.
Nabwire on the other hand is sometimes sober and intelligent but She would regulary suprise you with wild allegations, I believe she reside in USA and is probably 3-6yrs into her stay in the USA. I know you've been in USA for sometime and you will understand when someone living in USA start highlighting racism, it is most likely when they realized that their dreams of being that highflying professional is slipping away and suddenly they start holding onto and highlighting at every opportunity a small achievement( like an opportunity to work for a campaign for free) while pointing to everyone how racism is so bad that she/he couldn't make it far..... I know you can understand that.
Now about me, my name is Drunkard 10k Rollout, I am one of the most hated guy in wazua, I am everything you don't wanna be here, and I love it.
@Nabwire and Murchr,no hard feeling,lunch on me if you'll ever see me in person.
Welcome to Wazua!
Drunkard if only those Libyans and Egyptians listened to me....If only "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/3/2011 Posts: 264 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,256 Location: nairobi
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Africa was cursed, but in Jesus name we shall prevail
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2013 Posts: 1,977 Location: Here
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obiero wrote:Africa was cursed, but in Jesus name we shall prevail So we have been holding the same view! I see. I had just seen somewhere that Congolese are on streets as Kabila seeks term extension. Mwafrika alilaaniwa! Most of us are just but educated fools, theoretical strategists filled with selfish pride and greed. Mzungu should have stayed longer. Maybe intermarriage would have helped us. Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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