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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,331 Location: Masada
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Swenani wrote:I'm always treated like a king in amaica restaurant,affordable healthy foods...hakuna junk food huko na racism Kwanja eating that Aluru dish while ogling on the huge shapy legs of the madam-proprietor, nothing can be so sweet. Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:Impunity wrote:masukuma wrote:has anyone every wondered why only Africans were taken as slaves in such large numbers over a period of time? I mean... those places in the americas had people... why were they not enslaved in large numbers? my opinion.... KUNA VITU HAWANGE FANYA!!! Nyeuthis were enslaved enmasse because they were as tough as the beasts burden...yaani PHUNDA. http://archive.adl.org/h...acism.html#.Vh-v7eGhddg
C&P Africans were not originally considered inferior. When Portuguese sailors first explored Africa in the 15th and 16th centuries, they came upon empires and cities as advanced as their own, and they considered Africans to be serious rivals. Over time, though, as African civilizations failed to match the technological advances of Europe, and the major European powers began to plunder the continent and forcibly remove its inhabitants to work as slave laborers in new colonies across the Atlantic, Africans came to be seen as a deficient "species," as "savages." To an important extent, this view was necessary to justify the slave trade at a time when Western culture had begun to promote individual rights and human equality. The willingness of some Africans to sell other Africans to European slave traders also led to claims of savagery, based on the false belief that the "dark people" were all kinsmen, all part of one society - as opposed to many different, sometimes warring nations. by the way being 'black' was never really an issue in history... Romans, Greeks, Egyptians had no concept of race... it was all merit. during the dark ages Europe was conquered by black people in the form of the moors (insert debate here)... even ancient egypt had nubian kings - it was until a certain pope legitimized slavery of savages that the black listing litterally took place. the classification of races is a fairly new thing... by the way... in the US the greeks, jews, italians were only recently accepted into the "white" fold there is a nice quote from a movie I saw juzi about the CIA and it's history and it went something like this Quote: Joseph Palmi: Let me ask you something... we Italians, we got our families, and we got the church; the Irish, they have the homeland, Jews their tradition; even the niggers, they got their music. What about you people, Mr. Wilson, what do you have? Edward Wilson: The United States of America. The rest of you are just visiting.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Gathige wrote:muganda wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Who is racist here: the establishment or the africans working at the establishment? This is the crux of the matter. And how do our fellow Kenyans benefit by attending better to the Caucasians? @muganda, they get good tips.....Njungus believe in 15% of the value as tip. Nywere ngumu haachi kitu kwa service card naokota hata mapeni napeleka nyumbani. As said elsewhere, Kila mtu Akae line yake. Susi Watu ya magomano soup bar tuko sawa. We are treated like loyalty in our locals. When iam broke i normally go to Artcaffe because i can spend an hour 6-7pm having a double cappuccino at 240 bob while browsing on free wifi on my ipad. And then go home. This is much cheaper than going to Njuguna's and taking at some 4 beers at 800 bob from 6-8.30pm then going home. 240 bob vs 800. So how much tip should i give for the 240bob cappuccino i normally take at artcaffe?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:Impunity wrote:masukuma wrote:has anyone every wondered why only Africans were taken as slaves in such large numbers over a period of time? I mean... those places in the americas had people... why were they not enslaved in large numbers? my opinion.... KUNA VITU HAWANGE FANYA!!! Nyeuthis were enslaved enmasse because they were as tough as the beasts burden...yaani PHUNDA. http://archive.adl.org/h...acism.html#.Vh-v7eGhddg
C&P Africans were not originally considered inferior. When Portuguese sailors first explored Africa in the 15th and 16th centuries, they came upon empires and cities as advanced as their own, and they considered Africans to be serious rivals. Over time, though, as African civilizations failed to match the technological advances of Europe, and the major European powers began to plunder the continent and forcibly remove its inhabitants to work as slave laborers in new colonies across the Atlantic, Africans came to be seen as a deficient "species," as "savages." To an important extent, this view was necessary to justify the slave trade at a time when Western culture had begun to promote individual rights and human equality. The willingness of some Africans to sell other Africans to European slave traders also led to claims of savagery, based on the false belief that the "dark people" were all kinsmen, all part of one society - as opposed to many different, sometimes warring nations. by the way being 'black' was never really an issue in history... Romans, Greeks, Egyptians had no concept of race... it was all merit. during the dark ages Europe was conquered by black people in the form of the moors (insert debate here)... even ancient egypt had nubian kings - it was until a certain pope legitimized slavery of savages that the black listing litterally took place. the classification of races is a fairly new thing... by the way... in the US the greeks, jews, italians were only recently accepted into the "white" fold there is a nice quote from a movie I saw juzi about the CIA and it's history and it went something like this Quote: Joseph Palmi: Let me ask you something... we Italians, we got our families, and we got the church; the Irish, they have the homeland, Jews their tradition; even the niggers, they got their music. What about you people, Mr. Wilson, what do you have? Edward Wilson: The United States of America. The rest of you are just visiting.
True. Being black was never an issue. There was even black nobility/aristocracy in Russia in 1700s. Infact some British aristocrats are descendants of the black noble Gannibal, including Natalia Grosvenor, Duchess of Westminster and her sister, Alexandra Hamilton, Duchess of Abercorn. George Mountbatten, 4th Marquess of Milford Haven, a cousin of Queen Elizabeth II, is also a direct descendant, as the grandson of Nadejda Mountbatten, Marchioness of Milford Haven. https://en.wikipedia.org...bram_Petrovich_Gannibal
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:Impunity wrote:masukuma wrote:has anyone every wondered why only Africans were taken as slaves in such large numbers over a period of time? I mean... those places in the americas had people... why were they not enslaved in large numbers? my opinion.... KUNA VITU HAWANGE FANYA!!! Nyeuthis were enslaved enmasse because they were as tough as the beasts burden...yaani PHUNDA. http://archive.adl.org/h...acism.html#.Vh-v7eGhddg
C&P Africans were not originally considered inferior. When Portuguese sailors first explored Africa in the 15th and 16th centuries, they came upon empires and cities as advanced as their own, and they considered Africans to be serious rivals. Over time, though, as African civilizations failed to match the technological advances of Europe, and the major European powers began to plunder the continent and forcibly remove its inhabitants to work as slave laborers in new colonies across the Atlantic, Africans came to be seen as a deficient "species," as "savages." To an important extent, this view was necessary to justify the slave trade at a time when Western culture had begun to promote individual rights and human equality. The willingness of some Africans to sell other Africans to European slave traders also led to claims of savagery, based on the false belief that the "dark people" were all kinsmen, all part of one society - as opposed to many different, sometimes warring nations. by the way being 'black' was never really an issue in history... Romans, Greeks, Egyptians had no concept of race... it was all merit. during the dark ages Europe was conquered by black people in the form of the moors (insert debate here)... even ancient egypt had nubian kings - it was until a certain pope legitimized slavery of savages that the black listing litterally took place. the classification of races is a fairly new thing... by the way... in the US the greeks, jews, italians were only recently accepted into the "white" fold there is a nice quote from a movie I saw juzi about the CIA and it's history and it went something like this Quote: Joseph Palmi: Let me ask you something... we Italians, we got our families, and we got the church; the Irish, they have the homeland, Jews their tradition; even the niggers, they got their music. What about you people, Mr. Wilson, what do you have? Edward Wilson: The United States of America. The rest of you are just visiting.
True. Being black was never an issue. There was even black nobility/aristocracy in Russia in 1700s. Infact some British aristocrats are descendants of the black noble Gannibal, including Natalia Grosvenor, Duchess of Westminster and her sister, Alexandra Hamilton, Duchess of Abercorn. George Mountbatten, 4th Marquess of Milford Haven, a cousin of Queen Elizabeth II, is also a direct descendant, as the grandson of Nadejda Mountbatten, Marchioness of Milford Haven. https://en.wikipedia.org...bram_Petrovich_Gannibal
Abram Petrovich[1] Gannibal, also Hannibal or Ganibal or Abrham Hannibal or Abram Petrov (Russian: Абра́м Петро́вич Ганниба́л; 1696 – 14 May[2] 1781), was an Afro-Russian nobleman, military engineer and general. Kidnapped as a child and presented as a gift to Peter the Great, he was raised in the Emperor's household, and eventually rose to become a prominent member of the imperial court in the reign of Peter's daughter Elizabeth. Do I need to read further? i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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harrydre wrote:hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:Impunity wrote:masukuma wrote:has anyone every wondered why only Africans were taken as slaves in such large numbers over a period of time? I mean... those places in the americas had people... why were they not enslaved in large numbers? my opinion.... KUNA VITU HAWANGE FANYA!!! Nyeuthis were enslaved enmasse because they were as tough as the beasts burden...yaani PHUNDA. http://archive.adl.org/h...acism.html#.Vh-v7eGhddg
C&P Africans were not originally considered inferior. When Portuguese sailors first explored Africa in the 15th and 16th centuries, they came upon empires and cities as advanced as their own, and they considered Africans to be serious rivals. Over time, though, as African civilizations failed to match the technological advances of Europe, and the major European powers began to plunder the continent and forcibly remove its inhabitants to work as slave laborers in new colonies across the Atlantic, Africans came to be seen as a deficient "species," as "savages." To an important extent, this view was necessary to justify the slave trade at a time when Western culture had begun to promote individual rights and human equality. The willingness of some Africans to sell other Africans to European slave traders also led to claims of savagery, based on the false belief that the "dark people" were all kinsmen, all part of one society - as opposed to many different, sometimes warring nations. by the way being 'black' was never really an issue in history... Romans, Greeks, Egyptians had no concept of race... it was all merit. during the dark ages Europe was conquered by black people in the form of the moors (insert debate here)... even ancient egypt had nubian kings - it was until a certain pope legitimized slavery of savages that the black listing litterally took place. the classification of races is a fairly new thing... by the way... in the US the greeks, jews, italians were only recently accepted into the "white" fold there is a nice quote from a movie I saw juzi about the CIA and it's history and it went something like this Quote: Joseph Palmi: Let me ask you something... we Italians, we got our families, and we got the church; the Irish, they have the homeland, Jews their tradition; even the niggers, they got their music. What about you people, Mr. Wilson, what do you have? Edward Wilson: The United States of America. The rest of you are just visiting.
True. Being black was never an issue. There was even black nobility/aristocracy in Russia in 1700s. Infact some British aristocrats are descendants of the black noble Gannibal, including Natalia Grosvenor, Duchess of Westminster and her sister, Alexandra Hamilton, Duchess of Abercorn. George Mountbatten, 4th Marquess of Milford Haven, a cousin of Queen Elizabeth II, is also a direct descendant, as the grandson of Nadejda Mountbatten, Marchioness of Milford Haven. https://en.wikipedia.org...bram_Petrovich_Gannibal
Abram Petrovich[1] Gannibal, also Hannibal or Ganibal or Abrham Hannibal or Abram Petrov (Russian: Абра́м Петро́вич Ганниба́л; 1696 – 14 May[2] 1781), was an Afro-Russian nobleman, military engineer and general. Kidnapped as a child and presented as a gift to Peter the Great, he was raised in the Emperor's household, and eventually rose to become a prominent member of the imperial court in the reign of Peter's daughter Elizabeth. Do I need to read further? But he rose to the highest ranks of Russian society and establishment. Meaning his colour was never an issue unlike today in Europe.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Do you know that most of the early slaves in the US were actually... IRISH? they were enslaved by their southern protestant neighbours ... All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/2/2010 Posts: 845
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this is not systematic racism but an economic decision based on the reputation of white people when it comes to tipping. same reason African women on dating sites insist on 'preferably white' or 'preferably 40-60 years old'. its not about race or age. its about money. white males or older males are much wealthier on average compared to Africans or younger males respectively. if an African approaches that girl and flashes some serious dollars, the 'preferably white' clause will be abandoned like a venereal disease. if a recognisably wealthy African like Chris Kirubi checks into Art Cafe, even the mzungu clients will be ignored. i would however expect management to reign in comical displays of preferential treatment like waiters stampeding to white tables. unless they are complicit. on whether Africans should tip, they should be under no obligation to import wholesale white culture. but if you dont tip and there are others in the same restaurant who do (irrespective of color), there can be consequences such as these. You would probably be better off frequenting an authentically African establishment like Kosewe where you dont have to deal with such sideshows. but going back to racism, there is of course that residiual inferiority complex in many Africans thanks to centuries of being socialized that anything associated with white culture is superior. that residual inferiority likely plays a part in the waiters' discrimninating behaviour but is not the main reason here. All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,907
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Tipping, of course, is very American in nature. Only in the US can a 20 percent tip be customary, hence "European waiters smile so broadly when they see an American tourist walk in -- BUT American waiters are not so fond of European visitors."
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