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StanChart HY15Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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The bank seems to be learning its lesson. Going by falling interest income in customer loans and advances, it appears the liberal lending which is partly to blame for upsurge in NPLs may be over. The one off "other income" relating to 1.4B gain on property sale in 2014 partly explains the decline this period. Time is money, so money is time. Money saved is time gained in reverse! Money stores your life’s energy. You expend your energy, get paid money, and store that money for a future purchase made in a currency.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2013 Posts: 1,977 Location: Here
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My Friend will be crying in the toilet here. I saw this coming and 250/- was eminent. He refused my advice to sell his 1300 shares @330/-. The wait will be longer. Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Boris Boyka wrote:My Friend will be crying in the toilet here. I saw this coming and 250/- was eminent. He refused my advice to sell his 1300 shares @330/-. The wait will be longer. Did you advise him/her when to buy? If you didn't, what makes you think you owe him/ her advise on what to sell. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,300 Location: kenya
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sparkly wrote:Boris Boyka wrote:My Friend will be crying in the toilet here. I saw this coming and 250/- was eminent. He refused my advice to sell his 1300 shares @330/-. The wait will be longer. Did you advise him/her when to buy? If you didn't, what makes you think you owe him/ her advise on what to sell. maybe your friend bought it when it was 10 shillings and no matter the price he will sell even if it goes down to 11 shillings that's his profit .maybe he doesn't want to be greedy .just waiting for the right time and not your "right price" .. just saying
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2013 Posts: 1,977 Location: Here
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enyands wrote:sparkly wrote:Boris Boyka wrote:My Friend will be crying in the toilet here. I saw this coming and 250/- was eminent. He refused my advice to sell his 1300 shares @330/-. The wait will be longer. Did you advise him/her when to buy? If you didn't, what makes you think you owe him/ her advise on what to sell. maybe your friend bought it when it was 10 shillings and no matter the price he will sell even if it goes down to 11 shillings that's his profit .maybe he doesn't want to be greedy .just waiting for the right time and not your "right price" .. just saying @Sparkly Okay. He inherited from the farther in 2013. He wants his portfolio to grow without buying more and targeted 500/- a share.. Surely 500/- was and still is a distance. I had to advise him sell them high...buy other stocks at low...sell high...come back to stanchart when about @250. I might have been wrong. Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Boris Boyka wrote:enyands wrote:sparkly wrote:Boris Boyka wrote:My Friend will be crying in the toilet here. I saw this coming and 250/- was eminent. He refused my advice to sell his 1300 shares @330/-. The wait will be longer. Did you advise him/her when to buy? If you didn't, what makes you think you owe him/ her advise on what to sell. maybe your friend bought it when it was 10 shillings and no matter the price he will sell even if it goes down to 11 shillings that's his profit .maybe he doesn't want to be greedy .just waiting for the right time and not your "right price" .. just saying @Sparkly Okay. He inherited from the farther in 2013. He wants his portfolio to grow without buying more and targeted 500/- a share.. Surely 500/- was and still is a distance. I had to advise him sell them high...buy other stocks at low...sell high...come back to stanchart when about @250. I might have been wrong. @Boris maybe your friend has his long term targets. When I started investing almost 15 years ago, my first purchase was SCB at KShs 45. I collected a dividend of 2.50 then sold at 48 and thought I had made a lot of money. Now look at where the share is, after a split and regular Dividend payments. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/20/2015 Posts: 467 Location: Nairobi
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"One large name ... deteriorated in Q1 2015 and we had to take a lumpy impairment charge in March 2015 which has increased the impairment charge compared to the same period last year and this has impacted our bottom line,"I wonder who the large name is? KQ? Mumias? Uchumi? "Bad debts jumped in the first half of last year after the bank started treating loans that had not been repaid for three months as bad rather than six months previously."What is the loan inactive period other Kenyan banks are using? 3 or 6 months? "We also see our NPL ratio coming back to within, or below, the industry ratio of 5.7 per cent in the next six to 12 months,"
What i understand from above is that the large name?? in the 2nd half has began servicing the 'bad loan'...so expect a big jump in Standard Chartered profits 3Q or full year 2015. LLP spiked 249% in Q1 2015 vs Q1 2014, and in Q2 was 51%. If as Stanchart says that by End 2015 LLP will be at industry average of 5.7% then it looks full year profit will place it around No. 4 after KCB,Equity, Co-op. Stanchart always pulls a surprise on 3rd quarter or full year.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,702 Location: NAIROBI
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Can't be Uchumi;it's main bankers are KCB.They also took an additional loan from Co-op. Uchumi is too small to take a loan that can have that impact to Stanchart. Most likely the company is a contractor whose payments have delayed Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/11/2014 Posts: 228 Location: Nairobi
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It could also be a deterioration of relationship with the large customer leading to loss of that account, e.g. Though fairly green in financial jargon, the statement seems really vague and unhelpful towards determining cause of impairment charge.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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Could the 'bad' customer be KQ? Many large contractors have not been paid by GoK. Other banks affected include BoA, I&M and KCB. After 6 months the banks have to provision 100% but banks are allowed by CBK to provision early if they think the loan has gone 'bad' before the 6 months are up. Prudence requires earlier provisions in such cases. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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kawi254 wrote:[b][url=http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000173663/standard-chartered-sees-bad-loans-falling-further]"One large name ... deteriorated in Q1 2015 and we had to take a lumpy impairment charge in March 2015 which has increased the impairment Looks like KQ but why should they have hopes of recovery in the next 6 months if its KQ? The amount (~1B) sounds like a property developer. This massionettes/apartments are not moving, but there is hope they will in the next 6 months. Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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Trading @227. Back to 2012 price levels. Support @200 and 150 levels. $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2013 Posts: 1,977 Location: Here
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sparkly wrote:Boris Boyka wrote:enyands wrote:sparkly wrote:Boris Boyka wrote:My Friend will be crying in the toilet here. I saw this coming and 250/- was eminent. He refused my advice to sell his 1300 shares @330/-. The wait will be longer. Did you advise him/her when to buy? If you didn't, what makes you think you owe him/ her advise on what to sell. maybe your friend bought it when it was 10 shillings and no matter the price he will sell even if it goes down to 11 shillings that's his profit .maybe he doesn't want to be greedy .just waiting for the right time and not your "right price" .. just saying @Sparkly Okay. He inherited from the farther in 2013. He wants his portfolio to grow without buying more and targeted 500/- a share.. Surely 500/- was and still is a distance. I had to advise him sell them high...buy other stocks at low...sell high...come back to stanchart when about @250. I might have been wrong. @Boris maybe your friend has his long term targets. When I started investing almost 15 years ago, my first purchase was SCB at KShs 45. I collected a dividend of 2.50 then sold at 48 and thought I had made a lot of money. Now look at where the share is, after a split and regular Dividend payments. Okay @ 190/- now @Sparkly is long term still valid? Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2013 Posts: 1,977 Location: Here
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hisah wrote:Trading @227. Back to 2012 price levels. Support @200 and 150 levels. @Sparkly 200 support broken. 150 is next. Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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Boris Boyka wrote:hisah wrote:Trading @227. Back to 2012 price levels. Support @200 and 150 levels. @Sparkly 200 support broken. 150 is next. I like Stanchart. I like it even more at 150. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Boris Boyka wrote:sparkly wrote:Boris Boyka wrote:enyands wrote:sparkly wrote:Boris Boyka wrote:My Friend will be crying in the toilet here. I saw this coming and 250/- was eminent. He refused my advice to sell his 1300 shares @330/-. The wait will be longer. Did you advise him/her when to buy? If you didn't, what makes you think you owe him/ her advise on what to sell. maybe your friend bought it when it was 10 shillings and no matter the price he will sell even if it goes down to 11 shillings that's his profit .maybe he doesn't want to be greedy .just waiting for the right time and not your "right price" .. just saying @Sparkly Okay. He inherited from the farther in 2013. He wants his portfolio to grow without buying more and targeted 500/- a share.. Surely 500/- was and still is a distance. I had to advise him sell them high...buy other stocks at low...sell high...come back to stanchart when about @250. I might have been wrong. @Boris maybe your friend has his long term targets. When I started investing almost 15 years ago, my first purchase was SCB at KShs 45. I collected a dividend of 2.50 then sold at 48 and thought I had made a lot of money. Now look at where the share is, after a split and regular Dividend payments. Okay @ 190/- now @Sparkly is long term still valid? I sulenda Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2013 Posts: 1,977 Location: Here
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VituVingiSana wrote:Boris Boyka wrote:hisah wrote:Trading @227. Back to 2012 price levels. Support @200 and 150 levels. @Sparkly 200 support broken. 150 is next. I like Stanchart. I like it even more at 150. From high of 330 just this year to 190 now it has shed 140/- which is around 42%. Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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Boris Boyka wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Boris Boyka wrote:hisah wrote:Trading @227. Back to 2012 price levels. Support @200 and 150 levels. @Sparkly 200 support broken. 150 is next. I like Stanchart. I like it even more at 150. From high of 330 just this year to 190 now it has shed 140/- which is around 42%. I was not a buyer at 330. Some of the profits were from asset sales thus a one-time boost to PAT. At 150, the PER & PB look very attractive. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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