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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:By the way is "your" id card number your personal property? Does someone knowing it make it criminal? Coz I know Moi, Njonjo and Kibaki's numbers. At what point does knowing people's id number become criminal? 5! 10 million? I think the issue here is an issue of source. If you can draw a line between the data they have and your data (which you collected/regenerated)- you can cry foul but not without that Give me your ID number uone 20642029 Leo kwa people daily zimejaa.... sijui how many pages! Ben Chege Ngumi...An Investor of the NSE...The last digits of your Bank account end with ...660. Your official PO Box ends with 98. Niendelee ama nisiendelee???? yeah.... there is a thread with my identity and another with my salary on this forum but some of that info. is really old info... I don't use that account and the p.o box ilifungwa.... but even if it was correct - it's still useless information to have. But based on what you have gotten - You just queried the Central Depository System with old info about some stocks I bought along time ago. Anyway.... I was expecting identity theft bwana sio information on who a certain guy is... I know Daniel Toroitich Arap Moi has id no 0000001 and Kibaki has 0000002, Njonjo has 0000003.... e.t.c. Just FYI, I dint querry the CDSC database..anyway do you know how much any malicious person would do with that info? I dont think anyone knowing your salary is any important since that's a variable data... But with your name...and ID number(in Kenya I can easily get a fake one), and now that your Employer details are here...with a salary, I can open an account in your name, I can take up a loan using your name...true or false? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:
Just FYI, I dint querry the CDSC database..anyway do you know how much any malicious person would do with that info? I dont think anyone knowing your salary is any important since that's a variable data...
But with your name...and ID number(in Kenya I can easily get a fake one), and now that your Employer details are here...with a salary, I can open an account in your name, I can take up a loan using your name...true or false?
yeah... you can do that - only that it won't be me... and you really will have to have a bozo bank to do all that - They would lose a lot of money that way. just because you show up with and ID card with someone else's name and your photo? Let's assume its possible to pull it off - ok... you have a database of perhaps 1million ID numbers - why haven't you done that before or has that not been done before? by the way - Based on what you have returned and the fact that you have used the term 'Employer' details - I am sure the employer details are really old but I digress. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:
Just FYI, I dint querry the CDSC database..anyway do you know how much any malicious person would do with that info? I dont think anyone knowing your salary is any important since that's a variable data...
But with your name...and ID number(in Kenya I can easily get a fake one), and now that your Employer details are here...with a salary, I can open an account in your name, I can take up a loan using your name...true or false?
yeah... you can do that - only that it won't be me... and you really will have to have a bozo bank to do all that - They would lose a lot of money that way. just because you show up with and ID card with someone else's name and your photo? The bank will not suffer before you do. The grief you might go though by getting a lawyer and going through the process of proving that its not you who took up the money will cost you...dearly. Apart from that....How credit worthy will you be...Let's assume its possible to pull it off - ok... you have a database of perhaps 1million ID numbers - why haven't you done that before or has that not been done before? Because am not malicious but that is not to say that someone else cannot do it. By the way..To put the record straight here....I have no intention of doing anything with your data..but someone else can,..and that is what is dangerousby the way - Based on what you have returned and the fact that you have used the term 'Employer' details - I am sure the employer details are really old but I digress. We live in the digital age...and in Kenya, almost everything is tied to your ID....be careful how you use it. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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I think the confusion between what our ID number is and what the American SSN is what is sumbuaring people in their heads... a matching name and ID number here is actually nothing! We leave it all over the place... hospital systems, you give it to cashiers, MPESA, Watchmen, Employers, Voter reg people. It's synonymous to a phone number - it means nothing! if it meant something we would not have all this info. It's just a number that loosely identifies you... by the way do you know it's not even unique? most are but not all of them are.... All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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in kenya data is treated soo casually, you would be surprised as to how your data is handled at banks, by the tax man employees, employees at the other companies that have your data.
the most worrying for me was how the medical insurance guys treat peoples data, its soo easy to know what conditions many medical insurance holders suffer from, plus its data if one is very interested in getting can be purchased.
In kenya there is no privacy, unless one lives in the rural areas, is unemployed, does not own a phone at least not one with mpesa.
the saving grace in kenya is that nothing much can happen even if your identity is stolen.
its not like akna @kiash who would become suicidal if his identity was stolen and used to mess up his credit rating or associate a jail term with it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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masukuma wrote:I think the confusion between what our ID number is and what the American SSN is what is sumbuaring people in their heads... a matching name and ID number here is actually nothing! We leave it all over the place... hospital systems, you give it to cashiers, MPESA, Watchmen, Employers, Voter reg people. It's synonymous to a phone number - it means nothing! if it meant something we would not have all this info. It's just a number that loosely identifies you... by the way do you know it's not even unique? most are but not all of them are.... It would have been better if Kenyans had another form of ID given the way we go around leaving our IDs everywhere...When you get hit by identity theft thats when you'll know how much it will mean. In the mean time..Kamau is collecting your data. Quick question to Safcom employees....when we leave our names and ID numbers on those MPESA books...what do you do to them? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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masukuma wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote:masukuma wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:By the way is "your" id card number your personal property? Does someone knowing it make it criminal? Coz I know Moi, Njonjo and Kibaki's numbers. At what point does knowing people's id number become criminal? 5! 10 million? I think the issue here is an issue of source. If you can draw a line between the data they have and your data (which you collected/regenerated)- you can cry foul but not without that Give me your ID number uone 20642029 Leo kwa people daily zimejaa.... sijui how many pages! The internet will not forget. I don't want it to forget.... the whole thing about privacy is misplaced! privacy is dead! long live privacy. Plan B. Anonymity! This I will fight for to the bitter end. I have always felt anonymity has it's context 1) when you are living in a really dictatorial society and you need to 'voice' your opinions 2) when you want to say something really shady but don't want repuccussions of the same to follow you in real life i.e. you want to be a hypocrite! The 1st one is the only good application of anonymity - the second one can be just cowardly... have you read the youtube comments lately? nasty people... hiding undershadows... that's why there is only one masukuma.... lol! And you live in a society where you do everything that you want? I do not want you to know my name, Ben Chege Ngumi, and it is not for you or anyone to question why. It is my choice. You, on the other hand, no longer have that option. Welcome to dictatorship. Hehehehe.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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masukuma wrote:I think the confusion between what our ID number is and what the American SSN is what is sumbuaring people in their heads... a matching name and ID number here is actually nothing! We leave it all over the place... hospital systems, you give it to cashiers, MPESA, Watchmen, Employers, Voter reg people. It's synonymous to a phone number - it means nothing! if it meant something we would not have all this info. It's just a number that loosely identifies you... by the way do you know it's not even unique? most are but not all of them are.... What do you mean?Can two people share the same ID Number?If that is the case then it should not be called an identity number.The ID number should be a key identifier just like registration numbers in schools. Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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I came across a site called findrealme which to my understanding is a database for filing crimes committed by a domestic worker...is this legal by any means? How are they able to verify that the information given to them is real and authentic? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/30/2016 Posts: 332 Location: Rift Valley
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murchr wrote:I came across a site called findrealme which to my understanding is a database for filing crimes committed by a domestic worker...is this legal by any means? How are they able to verify that the information given to them is real and authentic? I am aware some firms can query the database at the registrar of persons so in theory the details of the identity document can be verified independently. Verifying criminal records is a function of the police and to the best of my knowledge it is neither an automated system nor available to the general public. In practice I suspect they run their own internal database based on user submitted information. Such a system would be limited by the number of people who submit queries and the amount of effort the firm puts into independently verifying the data. So many theoriticals so far! If you must very such details then it would be cheaper and more effective for the worker to submit a valid certificate of good conduct from CID.
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