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Swenani wrote:Mike Ock wrote:Stage 4 discovery is a financial killer and also quality of life will be so low with all the harsh chemo. She should consider just going out with a bang. Sometimes that's just better for everyone. What if Janet Is a wazuan?How will she feel if she read this? Mixed emotions. My words may seem blunt, but true based on experience. I have seen my relative go from living in Karen to not having money for clothes trying to treat a stage 4 cancer. The person being "saved" eventually died blackened from the chemo, unable to move from all the pain. Even amongst doctors themselves, 88% of doctors would choose 'do not resuscitate' orders for themselves. http://www.dailymail.co....ommending-patients.html
Trying to treat a terminal illness is illogical. Living up those last few years is the more viable option.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/17/2014 Posts: 231
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murchr wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:murchr wrote:Bykhovets wrote:tycho wrote:Bykhovets wrote:Stage 4?! She's in big trouble.  There's nothing like big trouble about this. I think we're being too squeamish about this matter of cancer or death. Dying is a natural part of growth. How you die doesn't even matter. The last time I was taking care of a cancer patient, I experienced one of the crudest handling of patients by a doctor. Outside the patient was wondering aloud about the pain of dying, and leaving her child. But then, just like now, I realized that being alive isn't any better than dying. So, if there's anything to be done is to enjoy the moments we're having knowing that there's no greater blessing than overcoming all these things we call evil and knowing all things are good. Soon, she's going to be in a lot of pain, coughing blood, losing weight, cachexia and all the unpleasant bodily changes that are brought about by metastatic cancer. Then it gets into the bones, liver and brain. @tycho, as philosophical as you might want to be, she will not enjoy any of those ailments. Sasa umekuwa daktari? Thought she's getting treatment. Cancer is not a death sentence as long as you have a physician who knows how to handle it and you have the will power to survive. actually yeye ni daktari, he might know what he is talking about The symptoms he described are those of a patient not getting the treatment required. If he's a doc he should know better. You will not see the likes of jguru, BGL and Rankaz payukaring carelessly like that. Stage 4 cancer is terminal. If the diagnosis is correct, and I believe it is, what she is getting is palliative care (getting a comfortable ending) or shrinking the tumour masses (buying her some time). All the greatest doctors cannot cure advanced metastatic cancer. If they had caught it earlier at stage 1 or 2, then the prognosis would have been better. I have seen enough of these malignancies that come in late (ulcerated breast cancers, oesophageal cancers that have fistulas into the trachea, cervical cancer that eats into the bladder, leukemias that leave patients paper white or stomach cancer - we had a Wazuan relative with it) and the outcome is assuredly the same. The Kenyan health care system might think they have the capacity to manage these malignancies but I would say, in our setting and from experience, that we do not. Let the patients go to India. I have a former teacher with liver cancer. She's been itching all over her body for years and the 'doctors' she saw gave her steroid creams and antihistamines for allergy. None thought they would do a test for bilirubin - she was jaundiced. Could have been caught earlier. "Occasionally I drop a tea cup to shatter on the floor. On purpose. I am not satisfied when it does not gather itself up again. Someday perhaps that cup will come together."
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/17/2014 Posts: 231
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mwenza wrote:murchr wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:murchr wrote:Bykhovets wrote:tycho wrote:Bykhovets wrote:Stage 4?! She's in big trouble. There's nothing like big trouble about this. I think we're being too squeamish about this matter of cancer or death. Dying is a natural part of growth. How you die doesn't even matter. The last time I was taking care of a cancer patient, I experienced one of the crudest handling of patients by a doctor. Outside the patient was wondering aloud about the pain of dying, and leaving her child. But then, just like now, I realized that being alive isn't any better than dying. So, if there's anything to be done is to enjoy the moments we're having knowing that there's no greater blessing than overcoming all these things we call evil and knowing all things are good. Soon, she's going to be in a lot of pain, coughing blood, losing weight, cachexia and all the unpleasant bodily changes that are brought about by metastatic cancer. Then it gets into the bones, liver and brain. @tycho, as philosophical as you might want to be, she will not enjoy any of those ailments. Sasa umekuwa daktari? Thought she's getting treatment. Cancer is not a death sentence as long as you have a physician who knows how to handle it and you have the will power to survive. actually yeye ni daktari, he might know what he is talking about The symptoms he described are those of a patient not getting the treatment required. If he's a doc he should know better. You will not see the likes of jguru, BGL and Rankaz payukaring carelessly like that. @murchr..... You should know people. There are doctors in this forum with multiple handles. Enough said. jguru had to go. Confusion with ISIS and such stuff. You know what I mean. "Occasionally I drop a tea cup to shatter on the floor. On purpose. I am not satisfied when it does not gather itself up again. Someday perhaps that cup will come together."
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Bykhovets wrote:mwenza wrote:murchr wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:murchr wrote:Bykhovets wrote:tycho wrote:Bykhovets wrote:Stage 4?! She's in big trouble. There's nothing like big trouble about this. I think we're being too squeamish about this matter of cancer or death. Dying is a natural part of growth. How you die doesn't even matter. The last time I was taking care of a cancer patient, I experienced one of the crudest handling of patients by a doctor. Outside the patient was wondering aloud about the pain of dying, and leaving her child. But then, just like now, I realized that being alive isn't any better than dying. So, if there's anything to be done is to enjoy the moments we're having knowing that there's no greater blessing than overcoming all these things we call evil and knowing all things are good. Soon, she's going to be in a lot of pain, coughing blood, losing weight, cachexia and all the unpleasant bodily changes that are brought about by metastatic cancer. Then it gets into the bones, liver and brain. @tycho, as philosophical as you might want to be, she will not enjoy any of those ailments. Sasa umekuwa daktari? Thought she's getting treatment. Cancer is not a death sentence as long as you have a physician who knows how to handle it and you have the will power to survive. actually yeye ni daktari, he might know what he is talking about The symptoms he described are those of a patient not getting the treatment required. If he's a doc he should know better. You will not see the likes of jguru, BGL and Rankaz payukaring carelessly like that. @murchr..... You should know people. There are doctors in this forum with multiple handles. Enough said. jguru had to go. Confusion with ISIS and such stuff. You know what I mean. Now I understand..... Though I thought the ISIS one had numerical values attached to it. Enjoy your weekend my brother. IF YOU EXPECT ME TO POST ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT ASENO, YOU MAY AS WELL SIT ON A PIN
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Bykhovets Can you explain to me how for ages this case was never fully identified even with the so called "experts" in Kenya. Surely. I say this because for some time someone in my family has been shuffled from one hospital to another. Only last week did we meet one doctor who took all their meds and flushed them in the toilet. One week later someone is jumping up and down after 2 years of pain. Man we even had one doctor say it was AIDs when their tests showed otherwise. I feel her pain But I'm wondering exactly how many cases like this of misdiagnosis are going on in the country and what the patients have in terms of remedy. Maybe we have quacks all over. Like that Mugo wa Wairimu fellow. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/17/2014 Posts: 231
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alma1 wrote:Bykhovets
Can you explain to me how for ages this case was never fully identified even with the so called "experts" in Kenya.
Surely.
I say this because for some time someone in my family has been shuffled from one hospital to another. Only last week did we meet one doctor who took all their meds and flushed them in the toilet. One week later someone is jumping up and down after 2 years of pain. Man we even had one doctor say it was AIDs when their tests showed otherwise.
I feel her pain
But I'm wondering exactly how many cases like this of misdiagnosis are going on in the country and what the patients have in terms of remedy.
Maybe we have quacks all over. Like that Mugo wa Wairimu fellow. Alma, most Kenyan doctors work for money. The senior doctors (Profs, consultants) will hop from one hospital to another to see patients and pick up checks. The younger ones (most probably employed at government hospitals) will go to AAR, Mater, Getrude for 4 hours a day for locums. The problem: they do not spend enough quality time with a patient to fully understand what the problem is (by taking a history) or looking for the problem (by touching, palpating, auscultating and percussing). They will then send for the wrong tests and give the wrong meds. A nephrologist I know sees 5 patients minimum a day at each of Nairobi, Aga Khan and Mater hospitals. Then sees 10 patients at his clinic in town and 10 at his clinic in Nairobi hospital. Tell me, can he, even if he is genius, correctly take care of these patients' needs? By the way, he makes upwards of 4 million a month in consultancy fees. That's why second opinions don't work much because the next doctor has the same 'pesa-mbele' disease as the last one. I know doctors who work at private hospitals and they have targets like bankers. 100k a day. If you don't meet the target, they fire you. Will he/she spend time asking about your family history of cancer, or if you are getting thirsty more often than usual, or recent onset of dyspepsia or will they quickly send you to lab and pharmacy and see the next patient? These clinics are just conveyor belts for processing patients and generating money. Parallel degree programs and quality of medical training in MKU, KU, Egerton and Maseno notwithstanding (leading to the realisation that we do indeed have half-baked doctors in Kenya); we do have really sharp doctors in Kenya (especially UoN and Moi trained). I dare say, sharper than India. But the lack of necessary medical equipment and supplies, interference from governments, work conditions and remuneration lead to them taking care of themselves first and the patients second. Remedy: You cannot sue a doctor. Forget it. Because a doctor will not give evidence against another doctor. Maybe, be very informed. Get a doctor/nurse who cares and can give you the help you need when you need it. "Occasionally I drop a tea cup to shatter on the floor. On purpose. I am not satisfied when it does not gather itself up again. Someday perhaps that cup will come together."
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/17/2014 Posts: 231
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I have had so many friends & family traveling to India for medical treatment both rich & not so rich including the poor who get assisted to travel through our communal effort of harambee. Two reasons people go to India 1. Better medical care 2. Reasonably priced let me not call it cheap but when a process is 10 times cheaper then that qualifies to be cheap. So what is the way forward? Why can't our good Govt or even the Council of Governors link up with India medical Association and investors to come and set up shop say in each of the former provincial headquarters to serve all the counties in that region. Nbi. Kisumu. Embu.Nyeri.Garissa . Nakuru & Kakamega. Can you imagine for once if we had fully fledged say Apollo hospital in all these towns Kenyans and the region will all use them. First we will get more Kenyans to acess good medical care without stressing the whole family .good correct diagnosis including getting genuine drugs / medication long term we will also develop medical tourism. Now the elephant in the room I am told Doctors under the Kenya Medical Association indeed play a big role in deciding who comes to set up shop in Kenya. Naturally they will like to protect their interest. Everything has been liberalised in Kenya so if there is one thing Kenyans MUST fight for is to get the medical sector liberalised like yesterday. If It is one campaign I will personally push for it is this one. Kenyans don't even want free things , all we want is reasonably priced medical care with correct diagnosis right here at home in Kenya please join me . Jackie Arkle Kathleen Kihanya Mohammed Omar Mohamed Bimal Kantaria and many of my friends let us join hands & lobby for it. "Occasionally I drop a tea cup to shatter on the floor. On purpose. I am not satisfied when it does not gather itself up again. Someday perhaps that cup will come together."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Bykhovets wrote:tycho wrote:Bykhovets wrote:Stage 4?! She's in big trouble. There's nothing like big trouble about this. I think we're being too squeamish about this matter of cancer or death. Dying is a natural part of growth. How you die doesn't even matter. The last time I was taking care of a cancer patient, I experienced one of the crudest handling of patients by a doctor. Outside the patient was wondering aloud about the pain of dying, and leaving her child. But then, just like now, I realized that being alive isn't any better than dying. So, if there's anything to be done is to enjoy the moments we're having knowing that there's no greater blessing than overcoming all these things we call evil and knowing all things are good. Soon, she's going to be in a lot of pain, coughing blood, losing weight, cachexia and all the unpleasant bodily changes that are brought about by metastatic cancer. Then it gets into the bones, liver and brain. @tycho, as philosophical as you might want to be, she will not enjoy any of those ailments. @Bykhovets, I trust you won't rush to use words like 'philosophical' in a denigrative sense. I have been a care giver to two cancer patients and I know what it means- to reasonable extent - what the stages mean and the experiences that accompany them. It's inevitable that 'healing' has to be beyond the physical and get into the mental, the psychological and if such an expression makes sense, 'the spiritual'. En-joyment is rooted in these realms of the non physical. And then it spreads into the physical. It may seem paradoxical to some of us, but one can find joy in pain and suffering. Nay, even in death itself. And this to me, is the deepest form of healing.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Bykhovets wrote:alma1 wrote:Bykhovets
Can you explain to me how for ages this case was never fully identified even with the so called "experts" in Kenya.
Surely.
I say this because for some time someone in my family has been shuffled from one hospital to another. Only last week did we meet one doctor who took all their meds and flushed them in the toilet. One week later someone is jumping up and down after 2 years of pain. Man we even had one doctor say it was AIDs when their tests showed otherwise.
I feel her pain
But I'm wondering exactly how many cases like this of misdiagnosis are going on in the country and what the patients have in terms of remedy.
Maybe we have quacks all over. Like that Mugo wa Wairimu fellow. Alma, most Kenyan doctors work for money. The senior doctors (Profs, consultants) will hop from one hospital to another to see patients and pick up checks. The younger ones (most probably employed at government hospitals) will go to AAR, Mater, Getrude for 4 hours a day for locums. The problem: they do not spend enough quality time with a patient to fully understand what the problem is (by taking a history) or looking for the problem (by touching, palpating, auscultating and percussing). They will then send for the wrong tests and give the wrong meds. A nephrologist I know sees 5 patients minimum a day at each of Nairobi, Aga Khan and Mater hospitals. Then sees 10 patients at his clinic in town and 10 at his clinic in Nairobi hospital. Tell me, can he, even if he is genius, correctly take care of these patients' needs? By the way, he makes upwards of 4 million a month in consultancy fees. That's why second opinions don't work much because the next doctor has the same 'pesa-mbele' disease as the last one. I know doctors who work at private hospitals and they have targets like bankers. 100k a day. If you don't meet the target, they fire you. Will he/she spend time asking about your family history of cancer, or if you are getting thirsty more often than usual, or recent onset of dyspepsia or will they quickly send you to lab and pharmacy and see the next patient? These clinics are just conveyor belts for processing patients and generating money. Parallel degree programs and quality of medical training in MKU, KU, Egerton and Maseno notwithstanding (leading to the realisation that we do indeed have half-baked doctors in Kenya); we do have really sharp doctors in Kenya (especially UoN and Moi trained). I dare say, sharper than India. But the lack of necessary medical equipment and supplies, interference from governments, work conditions and remuneration lead to them taking care of themselves first and the patients second. Remedy: You cannot sue a doctor. Forget it. Because a doctor will not give evidence against another doctor. Maybe, be very informed. Get a doctor/nurse who cares and can give you the help you need when you need it. Misdiagnosis happens everywhere and isn't necessarily about incompetent doctors or not being knowledgeable or informed. Fallibility and incompleteness are part of being human.
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Bykhovets wrote:alma1 wrote:Bykhovets
Can you explain to me how for ages this case was never fully identified even with the so called "experts" in Kenya.
Surely.
I say this because for some time someone in my family has been shuffled from one hospital to another. Only last week did we meet one doctor who took all their meds and flushed them in the toilet. One week later someone is jumping up and down after 2 years of pain. Man we even had one doctor say it was AIDs when their tests showed otherwise.
I feel her pain
But I'm wondering exactly how many cases like this of misdiagnosis are going on in the country and what the patients have in terms of remedy.
Maybe we have quacks all over. Like that Mugo wa Wairimu fellow. Alma, most Kenyan doctors work for money. The senior doctors (Profs, consultants) will hop from one hospital to another to see patients and pick up checks. The younger ones (most probably employed at government hospitals) will go to AAR, Mater, Getrude for 4 hours a day for locums. The problem: they do not spend enough quality time with a patient to fully understand what the problem is (by taking a history) or looking for the problem (by touching, palpating, auscultating and percussing). They will then send for the wrong tests and give the wrong meds. A nephrologist I know sees 5 patients minimum a day at each of Nairobi, Aga Khan and Mater hospitals. Then sees 10 patients at his clinic in town and 10 at his clinic in Nairobi hospital. Tell me, can he, even if he is genius, correctly take care of these patients' needs? By the way, he makes upwards of 4 million a month in consultancy fees. That's why second opinions don't work much because the next doctor has the same 'pesa-mbele' disease as the last one. I know doctors who work at private hospitals and they have targets like bankers. 100k a day. If you don't meet the target, they fire you. Will he/she spend time asking about your family history of cancer, or if you are getting thirsty more often than usual, or recent onset of dyspepsia or will they quickly send you to lab and pharmacy and see the next patient? These clinics are just conveyor belts for processing patients and generating money. Parallel degree programs and quality of medical training in MKU, KU, Egerton and Maseno notwithstanding (leading to the realisation that we do indeed have half-baked doctors in Kenya); we do have really sharp doctors in Kenya (especially UoN and Moi trained). I dare say, sharper than India. But the lack of necessary medical equipment and supplies, interference from governments, work conditions and remuneration lead to them taking care of themselves first and the patients second. Remedy: You cannot sue a doctor. Forget it. Because a doctor will not give evidence against another doctor. Maybe, be very informed. Get a doctor/nurse who cares and can give you the help you need when you need it. In all honesty, hata kama ni private hospital is this even humane to patients? Am sure there is a way at least to self regulate. Yes the hospitals need equipment which doesn't come cheap but at the same time if they were to provide services affordably to the population more patients would stream in rather than going to India...Demand-Supply...Bottom line my foot this is pure evil!!
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Bykhovets wrote:mwenza wrote:murchr wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:murchr wrote:Bykhovets wrote:tycho wrote:Bykhovets wrote:Stage 4?! She's in big trouble. There's nothing like big trouble about this. I think we're being too squeamish about this matter of cancer or death. Dying is a natural part of growth. How you die doesn't even matter. The last time I was taking care of a cancer patient, I experienced one of the crudest handling of patients by a doctor. Outside the patient was wondering aloud about the pain of dying, and leaving her child. But then, just like now, I realized that being alive isn't any better than dying. So, if there's anything to be done is to enjoy the moments we're having knowing that there's no greater blessing than overcoming all these things we call evil and knowing all things are good. Soon, she's going to be in a lot of pain, coughing blood, losing weight, cachexia and all the unpleasant bodily changes that are brought about by metastatic cancer. Then it gets into the bones, liver and brain. @tycho, as philosophical as you might want to be, she will not enjoy any of those ailments. Sasa umekuwa daktari? Thought she's getting treatment. Cancer is not a death sentence as long as you have a physician who knows how to handle it and you have the will power to survive. actually yeye ni daktari, he might know what he is talking about The symptoms he described are those of a patient not getting the treatment required. If he's a doc he should know better. You will not see the likes of jguru, BGL and Rankaz payukaring carelessly like that. @murchr..... You should know people. There are doctors in this forum with multiple handles. Enough said. jguru had to go. Confusion with ISIS and such stuff. You know what I mean. Jguru is not madam guru267 ai...ata kama mmechanganyikiwa "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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tycho wrote:Bykhovets wrote:alma1 wrote:Bykhovets
Can you explain to me how for ages this case was never fully identified even with the so called "experts" in Kenya.
Surely.
I say this because for some time someone in my family has been shuffled from one hospital to another. Only last week did we meet one doctor who took all their meds and flushed them in the toilet. One week later someone is jumping up and down after 2 years of pain. Man we even had one doctor say it was AIDs when their tests showed otherwise.
I feel her pain
But I'm wondering exactly how many cases like this of misdiagnosis are going on in the country and what the patients have in terms of remedy.
Maybe we have quacks all over. Like that Mugo wa Wairimu fellow. Alma, most Kenyan doctors work for money. The senior doctors (Profs, consultants) will hop from one hospital to another to see patients and pick up checks. The younger ones (most probably employed at government hospitals) will go to AAR, Mater, Getrude for 4 hours a day for locums. The problem: they do not spend enough quality time with a patient to fully understand what the problem is (by taking a history) or looking for the problem (by touching, palpating, auscultating and percussing). They will then send for the wrong tests and give the wrong meds. A nephrologist I know sees 5 patients minimum a day at each of Nairobi, Aga Khan and Mater hospitals. Then sees 10 patients at his clinic in town and 10 at his clinic in Nairobi hospital. Tell me, can he, even if he is genius, correctly take care of these patients' needs? By the way, he makes upwards of 4 million a month in consultancy fees. That's why second opinions don't work much because the next doctor has the same 'pesa-mbele' disease as the last one. I know doctors who work at private hospitals and they have targets like bankers. 100k a day. If you don't meet the target, they fire you. Will he/she spend time asking about your family history of cancer, or if you are getting thirsty more often than usual, or recent onset of dyspepsia or will they quickly send you to lab and pharmacy and see the next patient? These clinics are just conveyor belts for processing patients and generating money. Parallel degree programs and quality of medical training in MKU, KU, Egerton and Maseno notwithstanding (leading to the realisation that we do indeed have half-baked doctors in Kenya); we do have really sharp doctors in Kenya (especially UoN and Moi trained). I dare say, sharper than India. But the lack of necessary medical equipment and supplies, interference from governments, work conditions and remuneration lead to them taking care of themselves first and the patients second.Remedy: You cannot sue a doctor. Forget it. Because a doctor will not give evidence against another doctor. Maybe, be very informed. Get a doctor/nurse who cares and can give you the help you need when you need it. Misdiagnosis happens everywhere and isn't necessarily about incompetent doctors or not being knowledgeable or informed. Fallibility and incompleteness are part of being human. Now we know where you went to sch. Even Mugo wa Wairimu went to THE....The same faculty teaching at THE is the same one at MKU, KU, Moi, Egerton, Maseno etc. What hospitals are students in Maseno and Egerton attached to? I think right now KU has the best Medical university. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr wrote:Bykhovets wrote:mwenza wrote:murchr wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:murchr wrote:Bykhovets wrote:tycho wrote:Bykhovets wrote:Stage 4?! She's in big trouble. There's nothing like big trouble about this. I think we're being too squeamish about this matter of cancer or death. Dying is a natural part of growth. How you die doesn't even matter. The last time I was taking care of a cancer patient, I experienced one of the crudest handling of patients by a doctor. Outside the patient was wondering aloud about the pain of dying, and leaving her child. But then, just like now, I realized that being alive isn't any better than dying. So, if there's anything to be done is to enjoy the moments we're having knowing that there's no greater blessing than overcoming all these things we call evil and knowing all things are good. Soon, she's going to be in a lot of pain, coughing blood, losing weight, cachexia and all the unpleasant bodily changes that are brought about by metastatic cancer. Then it gets into the bones, liver and brain. @tycho, as philosophical as you might want to be, she will not enjoy any of those ailments. Sasa umekuwa daktari? Thought she's getting treatment. Cancer is not a death sentence as long as you have a physician who knows how to handle it and you have the will power to survive. actually yeye ni daktari, he might know what he is talking about The symptoms he described are those of a patient not getting the treatment required. If he's a doc he should know better. You will not see the likes of jguru, BGL and Rankaz payukaring carelessly like that. @murchr..... You should know people. There are doctors in this forum with multiple handles. Enough said. jguru had to go. Confusion with ISIS and such stuff. You know what I mean. Jguru is not madam guru267 ai...ata kama mmechanganyikiwa ......i know you "NEVER" lose arguments but in this case I reiterate, you should know people. IF YOU EXPECT ME TO POST ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT ASENO, YOU MAY AS WELL SIT ON A PIN
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mwenza wrote:murchr wrote:Bykhovets wrote:mwenza wrote:murchr wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:murchr wrote:Bykhovets wrote:tycho wrote:Bykhovets wrote:Stage 4?! She's in big trouble. There's nothing like big trouble about this. I think we're being too squeamish about this matter of cancer or death. Dying is a natural part of growth. How you die doesn't even matter. The last time I was taking care of a cancer patient, I experienced one of the crudest handling of patients by a doctor. Outside the patient was wondering aloud about the pain of dying, and leaving her child. But then, just like now, I realized that being alive isn't any better than dying. So, if there's anything to be done is to enjoy the moments we're having knowing that there's no greater blessing than overcoming all these things we call evil and knowing all things are good. Soon, she's going to be in a lot of pain, coughing blood, losing weight, cachexia and all the unpleasant bodily changes that are brought about by metastatic cancer. Then it gets into the bones, liver and brain. @tycho, as philosophical as you might want to be, she will not enjoy any of those ailments. Sasa umekuwa daktari? Thought she's getting treatment. Cancer is not a death sentence as long as you have a physician who knows how to handle it and you have the will power to survive. actually yeye ni daktari, he might know what he is talking about The symptoms he described are those of a patient not getting the treatment required. If he's a doc he should know better. You will not see the likes of jguru, BGL and Rankaz payukaring carelessly like that. @murchr..... You should know people. There are doctors in this forum with multiple handles. Enough said. jguru had to go. Confusion with ISIS and such stuff. You know what I mean. Jguru is not madam guru267 ai...ata kama mmechanganyikiwa ......i know you "NEVER" lose arguments but in this case I reiterate, you should know people. Sure, so whats your problem, do yo want me to know you? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr wrote:mwenza wrote:murchr wrote:Bykhovets wrote:mwenza wrote:murchr wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:murchr wrote:Bykhovets wrote:tycho wrote:[quote=Bykhovets]Stage 4?! She's in big trouble. There's nothing like big trouble about this. I think we're being too squeamish about this matter of cancer or death. Dying is a natural part of growth. How you die doesn't even matter. The last time I was taking care of a cancer patient, I experienced one of the crudest handling of patients by a doctor. Outside the patient was wondering aloud about the pain of dying, and leaving her child. But then, just like now, I realized that being alive isn't any better than dying. So, if there's anything to be done is to enjoy the moments we're having knowing that there's no greater blessing than overcoming all these things we call evil and knowing all things are good. Soon, she's going to be in a lot of pain, coughing blood, losing weight, cachexia and all the unpleasant bodily changes that are brought about by metastatic cancer. Then it gets into the bones, liver and brain. @tycho, as philosophical as you might want to be, she will not enjoy any of those ailments. [/quote Sasa umekuwa daktari? Thought she's getting treatment. Cancer is not a death sentence as long as you have a physician who knows how to handle it and you have the will power to survive. actually yeye ni daktari, he might know what he is talking about The symptoms he described are those of a patient not getting the treatment required. If he's a doc he should know better. You will not see the likes of jguru, BGL and Rankaz payukaring carelessly like that. @murchr..... You should know people. There are doctors in this forum with multiple handles. Enough said. jguru had to go. Confusion with ISIS and such stuff. You know what I mean. Jguru is not madam guru267 ai...ata kama mmechanganyikiwa ......i know you "NEVER" lose arguments but in this case I reiterate, you should know people. Sure, so whats your problem, do yo want me to know you? ....Sure, you should know people. IF YOU EXPECT ME TO POST ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT ASENO, YOU MAY AS WELL SIT ON A PIN
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mwenza wrote:murchr wrote:mwenza wrote:murchr wrote:Bykhovets wrote:mwenza wrote:murchr wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:murchr wrote:Bykhovets wrote:tycho wrote:[quote=Bykhovets]Stage 4?! She's in big trouble. There's nothing like big trouble about this. I think we're being too squeamish about this matter of cancer or death. Dying is a natural part of growth. How you die doesn't even matter. The last time I was taking care of a cancer patient, I experienced one of the crudest handling of patients by a doctor. Outside the patient was wondering aloud about the pain of dying, and leaving her child. But then, just like now, I realized that being alive isn't any better than dying. So, if there's anything to be done is to enjoy the moments we're having knowing that there's no greater blessing than overcoming all these things we call evil and knowing all things are good. Soon, she's going to be in a lot of pain, coughing blood, losing weight, cachexia and all the unpleasant bodily changes that are brought about by metastatic cancer. Then it gets into the bones, liver and brain. @tycho, as philosophical as you might want to be, she will not enjoy any of those ailments. [/quote Sasa umekuwa daktari? Thought she's getting treatment. Cancer is not a death sentence as long as you have a physician who knows how to handle it and you have the will power to survive. actually yeye ni daktari, he might know what he is talking about The symptoms he described are those of a patient not getting the treatment required. If he's a doc he should know better. You will not see the likes of jguru, BGL and Rankaz payukaring carelessly like that. @murchr..... You should know people. There are doctors in this forum with multiple handles. Enough said. jguru had to go. Confusion with ISIS and such stuff. You know what I mean. Jguru is not madam guru267 ai...ata kama mmechanganyikiwa ......i know you "NEVER" lose arguments but in this case I reiterate, you should know people. Sure, so whats your problem, do yo want me to know you? ....Sure, you should know people. Just as an FYI, I careless about you so no need of knowing who you are. You'd do everyone a favor by not mutating this thread and leave it to the issues being discussed, i don't think you're of any importance to be known Okay?! Enjoy the rest of the weekend "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2009 Posts: 2,863
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murchr wrote:mwenza wrote:murchr wrote:mwenza wrote:murchr wrote:Bykhovets wrote:mwenza wrote:murchr wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:murchr wrote:Bykhovets wrote:tycho wrote:[quote=Bykhovets]Stage 4?! She's in big trouble. There's nothing like big trouble about this. I think we're being too squeamish about this matter of cancer or death. Dying is a natural part of growth. How you die doesn't even matter. The last time I was taking care of a cancer patient, I experienced one of the crudest handling of patients by a doctor. Outside the patient was wondering aloud about the pain of dying, and leaving her child. But then, just like now, I realized that being alive isn't any better than dying. So, if there's anything to be done is to enjoy the moments we're having knowing that there's no greater blessing than overcoming all these things we call evil and knowing all things are good. Soon, she's going to be in a lot of pain, coughing blood, losing weight, cachexia and all the unpleasant bodily changes that are brought about by metastatic cancer. Then it gets into the bones, liver and brain. @tycho, as philosophical as you might want to be, she will not enjoy any of those ailments. [/quote Sasa umekuwa daktari? Thought she's getting treatment. Cancer is not a death sentence as long as you have a physician who knows how to handle it and you have the will power to survive. actually yeye ni daktari, he might know what he is talking about The symptoms he described are those of a patient not getting the treatment required. If he's a doc he should know better. You will not see the likes of jguru, BGL and Rankaz payukaring carelessly like that. @murchr..... You should know people. There are doctors in this forum with multiple handles. Enough said. jguru had to go. Confusion with ISIS and such stuff. You know what I mean. Jguru is not madam guru267 ai...ata kama mmechanganyikiwa ......i know you "NEVER" lose arguments but in this case I reiterate, you should know people. Sure, so whats your problem, do yo want me to know you? ....Sure, you should know people. Just as an FYI, I careless about you so no need of knowing who you are. You'd do everyone a favor by not mutating this thread and leave it to the issues being discussed, i don't think you're of any importance to be known Okay?! Enjoy the rest of the weekend You should know people. IF YOU EXPECT ME TO POST ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT ASENO, YOU MAY AS WELL SIT ON A PIN
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@maveg, so true! Nowadays you write with sober mind and I enjoy your posts lately  thanks @Alph! I realized something... if I write about anything else other than Politics and Religion - everyone reads it with an open mind.  @maveges, am glad someone else had taken note. I was really impressed by your post on African beauty in njoki chege's thread. Hope you are planning to go teach at the university.
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