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Rank: Member Joined: 5/17/2014 Posts: 231
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Stage 4?! She's in big trouble.  "Occasionally I drop a tea cup to shatter on the floor. On purpose. I am not satisfied when it does not gather itself up again. Someday perhaps that cup will come together."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Masukuma, the evidence you're giving is insufficient, and the conclusions you're following, probably misleading. First what Gwyn Campbell is about is based on the history of Madagascar. Madagascar isn't Africa. The factors for longevity like 'exercise' or 'good health care' which in your opinion are relatively recent are in fact vague and unreliable as differentiating factors. True, the gym is a recent creation. Nay, 'exercise'. But there are lifestyles that included events not known as 'exercise' but served the same purpose, or even more. For example, dance. Being a warrior. 'Good health care/medicine' isn't something measurable. It would be very difficult to show that now we have better medicine than in the past. Perhaps one would hasten to talk about infant mortality being lower now than in the past. But that alone can't be proof enough if for example, doctors are now suggesting that we rely less on medicine and seek natural ways of keeping disease at bay. Here are two links to help clarify issues https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy
http://www.ancient-origi...umans-lived-long-077889
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Bykhovets wrote:Stage 4?! She's in big trouble. There's nothing like big trouble about this. I think we're being too squeamish about this matter of cancer or death. Dying is a natural part of growth. How you die doesn't even matter. The last time I was taking care of a cancer patient, I experienced one of the crudest handling of patients by a doctor. Outside the patient was wondering aloud about the pain of dying, and leaving her child. But then, just like now, I realized that being alive isn't any better than dying. So, if there's anything to be done is to enjoy the moments we're having knowing that there's no greater blessing than overcoming all these things we call evil and knowing all things are good.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/21/2006 Posts: 8
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Strong lady! I can relate to this having just returned with my dad from India.. The mdedical cost in Kenya is totally out of reach, the number of Kenyan's seeking medicals there is mind boggling..for a heart bypass the quote was a deposit of 1.5M here ! In india less than 700K!!! who will saidia sisi..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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mawinder wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:Wendz wrote:masukuma wrote:Bigchick wrote:
NB.Are cancer cells a genetical thing?If am not wrong her father(RIP) went down with the same.
Well - it's a bit dicy, Some are - so be on the lookout. Some are not but are environmental. If you had cancer in your family - I suggest you get regular checkups. I also think the fact that human bodies are living for longer than it was possible before we were - we have started seeing the repercussions of this. Ageing is associated with a number of events at the molecular, cellular, and physiologic levels that influence carcinogenesis and subsequent cancer growth - so the older you get the higher the risk. Plus there lifestyle related things such as taking in of carcinogenic substances like the blackened areas on charred and grilled beef.... (hiyo WELL DONE tumejifunza kupenda)... is carcinogenic! Are we living longer? I thought it was the opposite. My grandmother is still alive and strong and I dont think our generation will see that health at that age if at all. yeah... I knew someone would raise this.... citing their grandmother.... I actually baited the post waiting for it...  My grand father is 94 years old and he is alive but ask him how many of his compatriots are alive... old boys from the old days... he stands alone. ask your grandmother how many of them are around? utashangaa... we confuse outliers to be representative of their populations. ask them how many brothers/sisters they lost growing up! Hao ndio masurvivers... actually what we confuse as "them living longer" is also related to modern medicine - wazees benefit a lot and for some reason they are not seen as being "us"... Pnumonia ingekuwa imemaliza wengi sana in June/July. There are 3 things that would have correlation with long life 1) a good diet 2) exercise 3) good health care/medicine My assessment is this before ukoloni people used to die like flies (life expectancy was like 22 - look it up) - due to the lack of No. 3. When they came, they came with medicine and the survivers of that stage - benefited from a good diet, excercise and medicine. Our parents had for part of their lives the 3 but ruined the exercise bit and some how the diet when they 'grew up'... they even smoked more due to the trends of the time. For us... we are the 1st knowledge driven generation that aspires for all the 3 - why should we not live longer? cancers will show up but will be managed with early diagnosis... Kindly @masukuma show us proof of this 22 year average life span that was in the pre-colonial era ... It was even less. A woman would have 11 children and only 4 or less would live to marry. Mmmmhhh didn't kina Musa, Noah etc live for hundred of years? i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:Wendz wrote:masukuma wrote:Bigchick wrote:
NB.Are cancer cells a genetical thing?If am not wrong her father(RIP) went down with the same.
Well - it's a bit dicy, Some are - so be on the lookout. Some are not but are environmental. If you had cancer in your family - I suggest you get regular checkups. I also think the fact that human bodies are living for longer than it was possible before we were - we have started seeing the repercussions of this. Ageing is associated with a number of events at the molecular, cellular, and physiologic levels that influence carcinogenesis and subsequent cancer growth - so the older you get the higher the risk. Plus there lifestyle related things such as taking in of carcinogenic substances like the blackened areas on charred and grilled beef.... (hiyo WELL DONE tumejifunza kupenda)... is carcinogenic! Are we living longer? I thought it was the opposite. My grandmother is still alive and strong and I dont think our generation will see that health at that age if at all. yeah... I knew someone would raise this.... citing their grandmother.... I actually baited the post waiting for it... My grand father is 94 years old and he is alive but ask him how many of his compatriots are alive... old boys from the old days... he stands alone. ask your grandmother how many of them are around? utashangaa... we confuse outliers to be representative of their populations. ask them how many brothers/sisters they lost growing up! Hao ndio masurvivers... actually what we confuse as "them living longer" is also related to modern medicine - wazees benefit a lot and for some reason they are not seen as being "us"... Pnumonia ingekuwa imemaliza wengi sana in June/July. There are 3 things that would have correlation with long life 1) a good diet 2) exercise 3) good health care/medicine My assessment is this before ukoloni people used to die like flies (life expectancy was like 22 - look it up) - due to the lack of No. 3. When they came, they came with medicine and the survivers of that stage - benefited from a good diet, excercise and medicine. Our parents had for part of their lives the 3 but ruined the exercise bit and some how the diet when they 'grew up'... they even smoked more due to the trends of the time. For us... we are the 1st knowledge driven generation that aspires for all the 3 - why should we not live longer? cancers will show up but will be managed with early diagnosis... Kindly @masukuma show us proof of this 22 year average life span that was in the pre-colonial era ... google a paper by Gwyn Campbell titled "The State and Pre-Colonial Demographic History: The Case of Nineteenth-Century Madagascar". You know... we sometimes look back at our ancestors with eyes of today! they never went to school... so they never wasted time... mambo ilikuwa reproduction and survival... the concept of a "teenager" was invented in the 20s in the US to sell cars. Mambo ilikuwa chap chap! Think about the risks of living during that time... diseases, being bitten by snakes, being killed by marauding gangs, broken limbs would cause death e.t.c. famine? My 4 year old son would be learning how to do my job now... by 10 he would be married! and I would be 22 then LOL! In short - YOU ARE LIVING AT THE BEST TIME IN THE HISTORY OF HUMAN BEINGS.... best time ever! Can a 10 year old boy land and procreate? Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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Impunity wrote:
Can a 10 year old boy land and procreate?
As soon as people were able to raise their thing - they got married! there was no point in waiting each day that passed was a risk @harrydre - that's in the realm of myths @tycho - the very fact that we have found few examples e.g. "Old Man of La Chapelle" and made a big deal about it should cement my point - it was rare to find old "old" people. It's similar to future generations finding the remains of robert waldow and extrapolating this to mean that ancient humans were almost 9 feet tall. think about it if there were many - we would be finding their remains all over - and it would not be a big deal. it's a fact that humans have generally not lived long (with the exception of some outliers). The story of Ramesses the second normally comes to mind when discussion this topic, this Pharaoh ruled for a solid 66 years! Ramesses knew that he needed heirs and over his long life, he boasted that he had fathered 80 sons and around 60 daughters. But his long life meant that many of his children died before him and he had to train 12 sons to be crown prince. When Ramesses finally did die, he was 93 years old. Egypt was paralyzed with grief. Nearly all of his subjects had been born in his reign and thought the world would end without him - he was a god among men coz everyone never remembered a time he was not Pharaoh! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:Impunity wrote:
Can a 10 year old boy land and procreate?
As soon as people were able to raise their thing - they got married! there was no point in waiting each day that passed was a risk @harrydre - that's in the realm of myths @tycho - the very fact that we have found few examples e.g. "Old Man of La Chapelle" and made a big deal about it should cement my point - it was rare to find old "old" people. It's similar to future generations finding the remains of robert waldow and extrapolating this to mean that ancient humans were almost 9 feet tall. think about it if there were many - we would be finding their remains all over - and it would not be a big deal. it's a fact that humans have generally not lived long (with the exception of some outliers). The story of Ramesses the second normally comes to mind when discussion this topic, this Pharaoh ruled for a solid 66 years! Ramesses knew that he needed heirs and over his long life, he boasted that he had fathered 80 sons and around 60 daughters. But his long life meant that many of his children died before him and he had to train 12 sons to be crown prince. When Ramesses finally did die, he was 93 years old. Egypt was paralyzed with grief. Nearly all of his subjects had been born in his reign and thought the world would end without him - he was a god among men coz everyone never remembered a time he was not Pharaoh! Of late I'm trying to avoid cementing points. So let me say that what I have is more or less a provisional view, and is; there are now MORE humans who live longer into old age than in the past, but humans have generally been living to their old age since humanity began. The proportion of the old has always been sufficient to allow for the evolutionary changes that have marked human civilizations. For example, the agrarian revolution required observation of the sun and the environment for a long period of time. Some animals have long life spans even without advances in medicine. That is, life spans are also adaptive features of organisms ... There's more evidence for my view like human migration in the past, and the average lifespans of apes in their natural environments and making extrapolations for humans and other pieces of evidence I can ferret.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:Impunity wrote:
Can a 10 year old boy land and procreate?
As soon as people were able to raise their thing - they got married! there was no point in waiting each day that passed was a risk @harrydre - that's in the realm of myths @tycho - the very fact that we have found few examples e.g. "Old Man of La Chapelle" and made a big deal about it should cement my point - it was rare to find old "old" people. It's similar to future generations finding the remains of robert waldow and extrapolating this to mean that ancient humans were almost 9 feet tall. think about it if there were many - we would be finding their remains all over - and it would not be a big deal. it's a fact that humans have generally not lived long (with the exception of some outliers). The story of Ramesses the second normally comes to mind when discussion this topic, this Pharaoh ruled for a solid 66 years! Ramesses knew that he needed heirs and over his long life, he boasted that he had fathered 80 sons and around 60 daughters. But his long life meant that many of his children died before him and he had to train 12 sons to be crown prince. When Ramesses finally did die, he was 93 years old. Egypt was paralyzed with grief. Nearly all of his subjects had been born in his reign and thought the world would end without him - he was a god among men coz everyone never remembered a time he was not Pharaoh! Of late I'm trying to avoid cementing points. So let me say that what I have is more or less a provisional view, and is; there are now MORE humans who live longer into old age than in the past, but humans have generally been living to their old age since humanity began. The proportion of the old has always been sufficient to allow for the evolutionary changes that have marked human civilizations. For example, the agrarian revolution required observation of the sun and the environment for a long period of time. Some animals have long life spans even without advances in medicine. That is, life spans are also adaptive features of organisms ... There's more evidence for my view like human migration in the past, and the average lifespans of apes in their natural environments and making extrapolations for humans and other pieces of evidence I can ferret. Agreed, and thus the term life expectancy All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/17/2014 Posts: 231
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tycho wrote:Bykhovets wrote:Stage 4?! She's in big trouble. There's nothing like big trouble about this. I think we're being too squeamish about this matter of cancer or death. Dying is a natural part of growth. How you die doesn't even matter. The last time I was taking care of a cancer patient, I experienced one of the crudest handling of patients by a doctor. Outside the patient was wondering aloud about the pain of dying, and leaving her child. But then, just like now, I realized that being alive isn't any better than dying. So, if there's anything to be done is to enjoy the moments we're having knowing that there's no greater blessing than overcoming all these things we call evil and knowing all things are good. Soon, she's going to be in a lot of pain, coughing blood, losing weight, cachexia and all the unpleasant bodily changes that are brought about by metastatic cancer. Then it gets into the bones, liver and brain. @tycho, as philosophical as you might want to be, she will not enjoy any of those ailments. "Occasionally I drop a tea cup to shatter on the floor. On purpose. I am not satisfied when it does not gather itself up again. Someday perhaps that cup will come together."
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Bykhovets wrote:tycho wrote:Bykhovets wrote:Stage 4?! She's in big trouble. There's nothing like big trouble about this. I think we're being too squeamish about this matter of cancer or death. Dying is a natural part of growth. How you die doesn't even matter. The last time I was taking care of a cancer patient, I experienced one of the crudest handling of patients by a doctor. Outside the patient was wondering aloud about the pain of dying, and leaving her child. But then, just like now, I realized that being alive isn't any better than dying. So, if there's anything to be done is to enjoy the moments we're having knowing that there's no greater blessing than overcoming all these things we call evil and knowing all things are good. Soon, she's going to be in a lot of pain, coughing blood, losing weight, cachexia and all the unpleasant bodily changes that are brought about by metastatic cancer. Then it gets into the bones, liver and brain. @tycho, as philosophical as you might want to be, she will not enjoy any of those ailments. Sasa umekuwa daktari? Thought she's getting treatment. Cancer is not a death sentence as long as you have a physician who knows how to handle it and you have the will power to survive. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Stage 4 discovery is a financial killer and also quality of life will be so low with all the harsh chemo. She should consider just going out with a bang. Sometimes that's just better for everyone.
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murchr wrote:Bykhovets wrote:tycho wrote:Bykhovets wrote:Stage 4?! She's in big trouble. There's nothing like big trouble about this. I think we're being too squeamish about this matter of cancer or death. Dying is a natural part of growth. How you die doesn't even matter. The last time I was taking care of a cancer patient, I experienced one of the crudest handling of patients by a doctor. Outside the patient was wondering aloud about the pain of dying, and leaving her child. But then, just like now, I realized that being alive isn't any better than dying. So, if there's anything to be done is to enjoy the moments we're having knowing that there's no greater blessing than overcoming all these things we call evil and knowing all things are good. Soon, she's going to be in a lot of pain, coughing blood, losing weight, cachexia and all the unpleasant bodily changes that are brought about by metastatic cancer. Then it gets into the bones, liver and brain. @tycho, as philosophical as you might want to be, she will not enjoy any of those ailments. Sasa umekuwa daktari? Thought she's getting treatment. Cancer is not a death sentence as long as you have a physician who knows how to handle it and you have the will power to survive. actually yeye ni daktari, he might know what he is talking about
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tycho wrote:Bykhovets wrote:Stage 4?! She's in big trouble. There's nothing like big trouble about this. I think we're being too squeamish about this matter of cancer or death. Dying is a natural part of growth. How you die doesn't even matter. The last time I was taking care of a cancer patient, I experienced one of the crudest handling of patients by a doctor. Outside the patient was wondering aloud about the pain of dying, and leaving her child. But then, just like now, I realized that being alive isn't any better than dying. So, if there's anything to be done is to enjoy the moments we're having knowing that there's no greater blessing than overcoming all these things we call evil and knowing all things are good. true
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:murchr wrote:Bykhovets wrote:tycho wrote:Bykhovets wrote:Stage 4?! She's in big trouble. There's nothing like big trouble about this. I think we're being too squeamish about this matter of cancer or death. Dying is a natural part of growth. How you die doesn't even matter. The last time I was taking care of a cancer patient, I experienced one of the crudest handling of patients by a doctor. Outside the patient was wondering aloud about the pain of dying, and leaving her child. But then, just like now, I realized that being alive isn't any better than dying. So, if there's anything to be done is to enjoy the moments we're having knowing that there's no greater blessing than overcoming all these things we call evil and knowing all things are good. Soon, she's going to be in a lot of pain, coughing blood, losing weight, cachexia and all the unpleasant bodily changes that are brought about by metastatic cancer. Then it gets into the bones, liver and brain. @tycho, as philosophical as you might want to be, she will not enjoy any of those ailments. Sasa umekuwa daktari? Thought she's getting treatment. Cancer is not a death sentence as long as you have a physician who knows how to handle it and you have the will power to survive. actually yeye ni daktari, he might know what he is talking about Maybe some Wazuans will die before her. Consistency is better than intensity
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:murchr wrote:Bykhovets wrote:tycho wrote:Bykhovets wrote:Stage 4?! She's in big trouble. There's nothing like big trouble about this. I think we're being too squeamish about this matter of cancer or death. Dying is a natural part of growth. How you die doesn't even matter. The last time I was taking care of a cancer patient, I experienced one of the crudest handling of patients by a doctor. Outside the patient was wondering aloud about the pain of dying, and leaving her child. But then, just like now, I realized that being alive isn't any better than dying. So, if there's anything to be done is to enjoy the moments we're having knowing that there's no greater blessing than overcoming all these things we call evil and knowing all things are good. Soon, she's going to be in a lot of pain, coughing blood, losing weight, cachexia and all the unpleasant bodily changes that are brought about by metastatic cancer. Then it gets into the bones, liver and brain. @tycho, as philosophical as you might want to be, she will not enjoy any of those ailments. Sasa umekuwa daktari? Thought she's getting treatment. Cancer is not a death sentence as long as you have a physician who knows how to handle it and you have the will power to survive. actually yeye ni daktari, he might know what he is talking about The symptoms he described are those of a patient not getting the treatment required. If he's a doc he should know better. You will not see the likes of jguru, BGL and Rankaz payukaring carelessly like that. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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PeterReborn wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:murchr wrote:Bykhovets wrote:tycho wrote:Bykhovets wrote:Stage 4?! She's in big trouble. There's nothing like big trouble about this. I think we're being too squeamish about this matter of cancer or death. Dying is a natural part of growth. How you die doesn't even matter. The last time I was taking care of a cancer patient, I experienced one of the crudest handling of patients by a doctor. Outside the patient was wondering aloud about the pain of dying, and leaving her child. But then, just like now, I realized that being alive isn't any better than dying. So, if there's anything to be done is to enjoy the moments we're having knowing that there's no greater blessing than overcoming all these things we call evil and knowing all things are good. Soon, she's going to be in a lot of pain, coughing blood, losing weight, cachexia and all the unpleasant bodily changes that are brought about by metastatic cancer. Then it gets into the bones, liver and brain. @tycho, as philosophical as you might want to be, she will not enjoy any of those ailments. Sasa umekuwa daktari? Thought she's getting treatment. Cancer is not a death sentence as long as you have a physician who knows how to handle it and you have the will power to survive. actually yeye ni daktari, he might know what he is talking about Maybe some Wazuans will die before her. @tycho has spoken, at the end of the day its not about death since we are all headed there.
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murchr wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:murchr wrote:Bykhovets wrote:tycho wrote:Bykhovets wrote:Stage 4?! She's in big trouble. There's nothing like big trouble about this. I think we're being too squeamish about this matter of cancer or death. Dying is a natural part of growth. How you die doesn't even matter. The last time I was taking care of a cancer patient, I experienced one of the crudest handling of patients by a doctor. Outside the patient was wondering aloud about the pain of dying, and leaving her child. But then, just like now, I realized that being alive isn't any better than dying. So, if there's anything to be done is to enjoy the moments we're having knowing that there's no greater blessing than overcoming all these things we call evil and knowing all things are good. Soon, she's going to be in a lot of pain, coughing blood, losing weight, cachexia and all the unpleasant bodily changes that are brought about by metastatic cancer. Then it gets into the bones, liver and brain. @tycho, as philosophical as you might want to be, she will not enjoy any of those ailments. Sasa umekuwa daktari? Thought she's getting treatment. Cancer is not a death sentence as long as you have a physician who knows how to handle it and you have the will power to survive. actually yeye ni daktari, he might know what he is talking about The symptoms he described are those of a patient not getting the treatment required. If he's a doc he should know better. You will not see the likes of jguru, BGL and Rankaz payukaring carelessly like that. I am ignorant when it comes to that, but its sad either way, especially for the family having to see their loved one going through all that. But I know doctors, at least some prefer telling the truth about certain conditions and procedures to prepare patients and the families before going through with the same. Then its up to the patient and family to make the decision, some docs do not and want to pile as much medication and procedures for their own gain, to everyone their own
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murchr wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:murchr wrote:Bykhovets wrote:tycho wrote:Bykhovets wrote:Stage 4?! She's in big trouble. There's nothing like big trouble about this. I think we're being too squeamish about this matter of cancer or death. Dying is a natural part of growth. How you die doesn't even matter. The last time I was taking care of a cancer patient, I experienced one of the crudest handling of patients by a doctor. Outside the patient was wondering aloud about the pain of dying, and leaving her child. But then, just like now, I realized that being alive isn't any better than dying. So, if there's anything to be done is to enjoy the moments we're having knowing that there's no greater blessing than overcoming all these things we call evil and knowing all things are good. Soon, she's going to be in a lot of pain, coughing blood, losing weight, cachexia and all the unpleasant bodily changes that are brought about by metastatic cancer. Then it gets into the bones, liver and brain. @tycho, as philosophical as you might want to be, she will not enjoy any of those ailments. Sasa umekuwa daktari? Thought she's getting treatment. Cancer is not a death sentence as long as you have a physician who knows how to handle it and you have the will power to survive. actually yeye ni daktari, he might know what he is talking about The symptoms he described are those of a patient not getting the treatment required. If he's a doc he should know better. You will not see the likes of jguru, BGL and Rankaz payukaring carelessly like that. @murchr..... You should know people. There are doctors in this forum with multiple handles. Enough said. IF YOU EXPECT ME TO POST ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT ASENO, YOU MAY AS WELL SIT ON A PIN
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Mike Ock wrote:Stage 4 discovery is a financial killer and also quality of life will be so low with all the harsh chemo. She should consider just going out with a bang. Sometimes that's just better for everyone. What if Janet Is a wazuan?How will she feel if she read this? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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