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Athi River Mining - HY Ksh. 355.8 million loss
murchr
#1 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2015 6:10:52 PM
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Aguytrying
#2 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2015 6:26:22 PM
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murchr wrote:


@hisah. You were right about the liquidity squeeze or foreign fluctuations affecting companies. Interestingly the only thing I few in arm are debt levels, convertible bonds whatever and off course valuation. Otherwise awesome company. Unlike KQ they will bounce back. Even maybe before end year
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Gatheuzi
#3 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2015 8:20:09 PM
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Gatheuzi wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
Watch out for highly geared companies. If debt is a high percentage of equity expect rate hikes to possibly erode vitually all profits.

Uchumi falls in this category. ARM needs to move fast to deal with the short term borrowings. Trancentary already planning a rights issue to deal with debts. Home Afrika may post a bigger loss as they keep digging themselves in funny arrangements. KQ - its obvious where they are headed. Mumias - already deep in debt and cant pay.


Rate hike of 300bps confirms my earlier worries. I expect 75% of firms above to give profit warnings this year.


Not surprised at all.

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#4 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2015 8:51:37 PM
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sparkly
#5 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2015 11:24:49 PM
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Gatheuzi wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
Watch out for highly geared companies. If debt is a high percentage of equity expect rate hikes to possibly erode vitually all profits.

Uchumi falls in this category. ARM needs to move fast to deal with the short term borrowings. Trancentary already planning a rights issue to deal with debts. Home Afrika may post a bigger loss as they keep digging themselves in funny arrangements. KQ - its obvious where they are headed. Mumias - already deep in debt and cant pay.


Rate hike of 300bps confirms my earlier worries. I expect 75% of firms above to give profit warnings this year.


Not surprised at all.

post #118

good call
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researchfirst
#6 Posted : Friday, July 31, 2015 8:53:14 AM
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Agree with @Aguytrying. Operating profit is up 7.0% YOY. EBITDA is up 9.0%. They'll get past this. It's a glitch. 5 year CAGR is 6.8%.Look at the trends: http://kenyainvestor.com.../arm-cement/financials/
Pesa Nane
#7 Posted : Friday, July 31, 2015 10:24:04 AM
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murchr wrote:
Pesanane leta details
Sleeping on the Job!

Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
Pesa Nane
#8 Posted : Friday, July 31, 2015 10:33:22 AM
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Quote:
OUTLOOK
Demand for cement increased by more than 10% during the 1st half of the year throughout East Africa driven by infrastructure and housing construction. Inspite of the recent depreciation and increase in interest rates, the fundamentals for continued economic and construction sector growing remain strong. The company expects to significantly improve performance in the second half of the year through cost efficiencies arising from self sufficiency in clinker and increased sales from business divisions, including Mavuno fertilizers.
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Ericsson
#9 Posted : Friday, July 31, 2015 10:36:42 AM
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I give this company share price at 30 to 40 based on the results and projections
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VituVingiSana
#10 Posted : Saturday, August 01, 2015 11:16:34 AM
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In most African countries, borrowing in USD (or even borrowing in LCY at very high rates) & selling in LCY is a disaster. As a country (Kenya) or region (EAC) or continent (Africa), we should dollars our economies. We need Fiscal discipline that is imposed on us and perhaps a Monetary Policy that we have little control over.

Some may look at it as neocolonialism but I see it as 'discipline' that is imposed on us OR we might just end up like Venezuela or Argentina (under the Peso).

Kenya issued a USD Eurobond. The KES got an artificial boost and when the euphoria ran out, the bill has come due. A 6% USD bond is now 16% when re-calculated in LCY.

I need help researching which country had the cash-in cash-out policy. My poor googling skills aren't helping.

I can't recall which country did it but they had moved to a cash accounting system for a little while i.e. books were balanced DAILY. If the Treasury had $10mn then it wrote cheques for $10mn. Everyone queued up for payment which also meant increased scrutiny for payments.

Therefore, Things of Desire would line up with a genuine supplier e.g. KenolKobil to be paid. All the payments would be listed and can be challenged by those in the queue.

Shady firms or deals would be shunted aside pending verification or sent to the back of the queue. Cash in, cash out. What happened was that inflation dropped like a rock as there was no printing of money. The economy did suffer a slow-down but I looked at it positively that there was genuine growth not inflationary filed growth.
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hisah
#11 Posted : Saturday, August 01, 2015 5:49:31 PM
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Gatheuzi wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
Watch out for highly geared companies. If debt is a high percentage of equity expect rate hikes to possibly erode vitually all profits.

Uchumi falls in this category. ARM needs to move fast to deal with the short term borrowings. Trancentary already planning a rights issue to deal with debts. Home Afrika may post a bigger loss as they keep digging themselves in funny arrangements. KQ - its obvious where they are headed. Mumias - already deep in debt and cant pay.


Rate hike of 300bps confirms my earlier worries. I expect 75% of firms above to give profit warnings this year.


Not surprised at all.

Post #118

Yes. And those with fx loans will take in even more losses. I think 90% in this category will announce losses. Your 75% estimate is quite optimistic. The USD strength and hawkish CBK will grind these firms gains to powder!
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
tonicasert
#12 Posted : Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:08:54 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
In most African countries, borrowing in USD (or even borrowing in LCY at very high rates) & selling in LCY is a disaster. As a country (Kenya) or region (EAC) or continent (Africa), we should dollars our economies. We need Fiscal discipline that is imposed on us and perhaps a Monetary Policy that we have little control over.

Some may look at it as neocolonialism but I see it as 'discipline' that is imposed on us OR we might just end up like Venezuela or Argentina (under the Peso).

Kenya issued a USD Eurobond. The KES got an artificial boost and when the euphoria ran out, the bill has come due. A 6% USD bond is now 16% when re-calculated in LCY.

I need help researching which country had the cash-in cash-out policy. My poor googling skills aren't helping.

I can't recall which country did it but they had moved to a cash accounting system for a little while i.e. books were balanced DAILY. If the Treasury had $10mn then it wrote cheques for $10mn. Everyone queued up for payment which also meant increased scrutiny for payments.

Therefore, Things of Desire would line up with a genuine supplier e.g. KenolKobil to be paid. All the payments would be listed and can be challenged by those in the queue.

Shady firms or deals would be shunted aside pending verification or sent to the back of the queue. Cash in, cash out. What happened was that inflation dropped like a rock as there was no printing of money. The economy did suffer a slow-down but I looked at it positively that there was genuine growth not inflationary filed growth.


Almost sounds like what Egypt is doing now to clamp down on black mkt dollar sales... For a company to buy USD, there's a queue which could be upto a month, and there's a restriction on depositing USD to 10K per day, max 50K per month (Previously, one would buy form black mkt, depo and remit the USD). But black mkts are the result of a super-restricted market.
What we have in Kenya is a structural issue, where the inflows (that are supposed to repay the loans) are not enough.. tourism inflows have dwindled, and the import bill is huge, esp with the current infrastructural projects that will gobble up USD's.
VituVingiSana
#13 Posted : Monday, August 03, 2015 11:31:39 AM
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tonicasert wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
In most African countries, borrowing in USD (or even borrowing in LCY at very high rates) & selling in LCY is a disaster. As a country (Kenya) or region (EAC) or continent (Africa), we should dollars our economies. We need Fiscal discipline that is imposed on us and perhaps a Monetary Policy that we have little control over.

Some may look at it as neocolonialism but I see it as 'discipline' that is imposed on us OR we might just end up like Venezuela or Argentina (under the Peso).

Kenya issued a USD Eurobond. The KES got an artificial boost and when the euphoria ran out, the bill has come due. A 6% USD bond is now 16% when re-calculated in LCY.

I need help researching which country had the cash-in cash-out policy. My poor googling skills aren't helping.

I can't recall which country did it but they had moved to a cash accounting system for a little while i.e. books were balanced DAILY. If the Treasury had $10mn then it wrote cheques for $10mn. Everyone queued up for payment which also meant increased scrutiny for payments.

Therefore, Things of Desire would line up with a genuine supplier e.g. KenolKobil to be paid. All the payments would be listed and can be challenged by those in the queue.

Shady firms or deals would be shunted aside pending verification or sent to the back of the queue. Cash in, cash out. What happened was that inflation dropped like a rock as there was no printing of money. The economy did suffer a slow-down but I looked at it positively that there was genuine growth not inflationary filed growth.


Almost sounds like what Egypt is doing now to clamp down on black mkt dollar sales... For a company to buy USD, there's a queue which could be upto a month, and there's a restriction on depositing USD to 10K per day, max 50K per month (Previously, one would buy form black mkt, depo and remit the USD). But black mkts are the result of a super-restricted market.
What we have in Kenya is a structural issue, where the inflows (that are supposed to repay the loans) are not enough.. tourism inflows have dwindled, and the import bill is huge, esp with the current infrastructural projects that will gobble up USD's.


I am not talking about USD/forex but spending in general by GoK including & mostly KES. If Treasury only spent/disbursed what KRA collected then inflation would drop.
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Pesa Nane
#14 Posted : Tuesday, October 06, 2015 2:29:30 PM
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Panic selling (fund raising)??
Consolidating (Cash parking)??
Smart money (Accumulating / entry)??
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Aguytrying
#15 Posted : Tuesday, October 06, 2015 3:14:48 PM
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I'm wondering. Is it time to start buying ARM? At 30.00 I won't be asking questions
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Aguytrying
#16 Posted : Tuesday, October 06, 2015 3:19:18 PM
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popat
#17 Posted : Tuesday, October 06, 2015 4:03:18 PM
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The cement industry has become too competitive in the recent years with the margins lowering every other day.This has not been helped by the entry of so many other players in the industry.The future looks gleam for ARM.Unless the management renovates its strategy to recapture the market share turnaround may be not come easy.They have however leveraged aggressively with expansion strategy in the works.
Gatheuzi
#18 Posted : Tuesday, October 06, 2015 6:04:45 PM
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AKS thinks the price will go up 4 fold Shame on you


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muganda
#19 Posted : Tuesday, October 06, 2015 6:15:29 PM
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Gatheuzi wrote:
AKS thinks the price will go up 4 fold Shame on you



Well, ARM now growing circa 10-15% (overlooking current HY loss) and it's priced at P/E of 12. He must be yearning for its historical premium: who's going to pay it though?

Then again, isn't he on their retainer?
VituVingiSana
#20 Posted : Tuesday, October 06, 2015 7:26:51 PM
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Gatheuzi wrote:
AKS thinks the price will go up 4 fold Shame on you



Pay for play. KQ, Safaricom, ARM, KCB, you name it.
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