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Impunity wrote:Taurrus wrote:masukuma wrote:by the way... is it possible to review that devil stoning exercise? since it's counter productive! the devil is there to be stoned each year but not all the stoners manage to survive the stoning. Watu wanalipa fare kubwa halafu wanakufa wakirushia saitan mawe? since saitan is not omnipresent - labda saa hiyo ako Brazil!  too many unnecessary deaths in the muslim world. What are kina @Alpha and @guru has to say? they are currently stoning the devil ....just like Gor fans 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Are you saying they died because they are muslims? How old are some of you people? How about the more than 3k Kenyans who have died on Kenyan roads? Did they die because they were driving too fast to get to the Kenyan christian heaven? Really, how old are some of you people? Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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alma1 wrote:Are you saying they died because they are muslims?
How old are some of you people?
How about the more than 3k Kenyans who have died on Kenyan roads? Did they die because they were driving too fast to get to the Kenyan christian heaven?
Really, how old are some of you people? Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain  ¿ wrote:¿ wrote:
Improbable.
1. A crane operated by the Bin Laden group collapses on 9/11.
2. A fire last week on Thursday.
3. A stampede today.
4. A sudden rise in stupidity and carelessness among the Saudis and the pilgrims.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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alma1 wrote:Are you saying they died because they are muslims?
How old are some of you people?
How about the more than 3k Kenyans who have died on Kenyan roads? Did they die because they were driving too fast to get to the Kenyan christian heaven?
Really, how old are some of you people? Does it bother you that they died and were Muslims? Apart from soliciting for people's ages (probably to look for bulliable people) what have you done to alleviate the suffering and death? If you have done nothing then be quiet.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/22/2011 Posts: 561 Location: House
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alma1 wrote:Are you saying they died because they are muslims?
How old are some of you people?
How about the more than 3k Kenyans who have died on Kenyan roads? Did they die because they were driving too fast to get to the Kenyan christian heaven?
Really, how old are some of you people? i love the way you read selectively. how old are you?
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/25/2015 Posts: 839 Location: Kite
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Ngogoyo wrote:alma1 wrote:Are you saying they died because they are muslims?
How old are some of you people?
How about the more than 3k Kenyans who have died on Kenyan roads? Did they die because they were driving too fast to get to the Kenyan christian heaven?
Really, how old are some of you people? i love the way you read selectively. how old are you now? One!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Anti_Burglar wrote:alma1 wrote:Are you saying they died because they are muslims?
How old are some of you people?
How about the more than 3k Kenyans who have died on Kenyan roads? Did they die because they were driving too fast to get to the Kenyan christian heaven?
Really, how old are some of you people? Does it bother you that they died and were Muslims? Apart from soliciting for people's ages (probably to look for bulliable people) what have you done to alleviate the suffering and death? If you have done nothing then be quiet. Kudos @alma for asking them the right questions. Some people here are continuously inclined to discriminate against others. Each one of us will die somehow. Some will die from collapsed house, some on the road, some on plane crash, some train from stray bullet, some on a stampede etc all due to human error. Some die in hospital due to illness, some at home etc. Hizi zingine ni vi-jisababu tu!
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/22/2014 Posts: 321 Location: Ndeiya
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If we keep religion aside,the dead are bread winners, fathers, brothers, mothers, sisters etc whose families legitimately deserving good life are mourning. Human life is lost in far distant land.If we bring religion in, we felt it when our mothers and sisters from PCEA church perished in TZ while on a religious pilgrimage sometimes ago. CONDOLENCES.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Death by natural selection. Nature has its own ways of thinning the herd. The real "blessing" in life is being an atheist. But don't get me wrong, i feel bad for the victims because it's not their fault, it's just a result of being born with a lower IQ.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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hamburglar wrote:Death by natural selection. Nature has its own ways of thinning the herd. The real "blessing" in life is being an atheist. But don't get me wrong, i feel bad for the victims because it's not their fault, it's just a result of being born with a lower IQ. Four questions: 1. Are you saying atheist don't die from accidents? 2. Are you saying there is no smart person who is not an atheist? 3. Are you saying there is no rich people who are less IQ? 4. Are you saying you are richer and smarter than all religious people?
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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AlphDoti wrote:hamburglar wrote:Death by natural selection. Nature has its own ways of thinning the herd. The real "blessing" in life is being an atheist. But don't get me wrong, i feel bad for the victims because it's not their fault, it's just a result of being born with a lower IQ. Four questions: 1. Are you saying atheist don't die from accidents? We don't die from dumb accidents. When is the last time you heard of 300 atheists dying from a stampede. Lol. 2. Are you saying there is no smart person who is not an atheist? Google it. Atheists are more educated and generally smarter than religious people. Am not the one who said it. 3. Are you saying there is no rich people who are less IQ? Let me tell you something dude. As unfair as it sounds, for someone to get rich, you have to have higher than average IQ. Unless you come into some financial windfall, you will find out that the people who have made themselves rich are usually smart fellows. 4. Are you saying you are richer and smarter than all religious people? Am saying that atheists on average are rich. You will be hard pressed to find a poor atheist. I have personally never met a broke atheist but i can show you poor religious people by the millions. ?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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hamburglar wrote:Death by natural selection. Nature has its own ways of thinning the herd. The real "blessing" in life is being an atheist. But don't get me wrong, i feel bad for the victims because it's not their fault, it's just a result of being born with a lower IQ. Alright, enough, Mr. Immortal. Nature had no role to play there. If nature has its own ways of thinning the herd, then nature is dumb because for all these millenia it has still not got it right. And never will. And those who hold on to dumb things have what, lower IQ?
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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Three Kenyans killed in Mecca stampedeQuote:Three Kenyans were killed in a stampede near Mecca that left more than 700 pilgrims dead.
According to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, one other Kenyan was among the 863 injured in Thursday's incident in Saudi Arabia during the annual hajj in Mina, on the outskirts of Mecca.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Anti_Burglar wrote:hamburglar wrote:Death by natural selection. Nature has its own ways of thinning the herd. The real "blessing" in life is being an atheist. But don't get me wrong, i feel bad for the victims because it's not their fault, it's just a result of being born with a lower IQ. Alright, enough, Mr. Immortal. Nature had no role to play there. If nature has its own ways of thinning the herd, then nature is dumb because for all these millenia it has still not got it right. And never will. And those who hold on to dumb things have what, lower IQ? In nature, only the strong survive. The strong minded people survive longer because they don't do dumb shit like this. Strong minded people (atheists) sit back and watch weak minded people (theists) fly all the way to Mecca to die in a stampede and laugh their asses off. Where was allah when people were being trampled to death? What a bunch of idiots. The herd is being thinned everyday, so far, we know that after the deaths in Mecca, the herd is at least 700 dumbasses less. Society is getting smarter and smarter by the day, more and more people are shunning religion everyday. And yes, people who do dumb things have lower IQs. Very simple math. Low IQ = dumb. Get it?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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hamburglar wrote:AlphDoti wrote:hamburglar wrote:Death by natural selection. Nature has its own ways of thinning the herd. The real "blessing" in life is being an atheist. But don't get me wrong, i feel bad for the victims because it's not their fault, it's just a result of being born with a lower IQ. Four questions: 1. Are you saying atheist don't die from accidents? We don't die from dumb accidents. When is the last time you heard of 300 atheists dying from a stampede. Lol. 2. Are you saying there is no smart person who is not an atheist? Google it. Atheists are more educated and generally smarter than religious people. Am not the one who said it. 3. Are you saying there is no rich people who are less IQ? Let me tell you something dude. As unfair as it sounds, for someone to get rich, you have to have higher than average IQ. Unless you come into some financial windfall, you will find out that the people who have made themselves rich are usually smart fellows. 4. Are you saying you are richer and smarter than all religious people? Am saying that atheists on average are rich. You will be hard pressed to find a poor atheist. I have personally never met a broke atheist but i can show you poor religious people by the millions. ? You didn't answer my Question 2: my question is, are there smart religious people? If yes, then smartness is not a monopoly of atheists. Question 3: My question is not whether IQ leads to wealth. My question is, do we have people who are richer than another with higher IQ? Question 4: my question is, is there any religious person richer than you?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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hamburglar wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote:hamburglar wrote:Death by natural selection. Nature has its own ways of thinning the herd. The real "blessing" in life is being an atheist. But don't get me wrong, i feel bad for the victims because it's not their fault, it's just a result of being born with a lower IQ. Alright, enough, Mr. Immortal. Nature had no role to play there. If nature has its own ways of thinning the herd, then nature is dumb because for all these millenia it has still not got it right. And never will. And those who hold on to dumb things have what, lower IQ? In nature, only the strong survive. The strong minded people survive longer because they don't do dumb shit like this. Strong minded people (atheists) sit back and watch weak minded people (theists) fly all the way to Mecca to die in a stampede and laugh their asses off. Where was allah when people were being trampled to death? What a bunch of idiots. The herd is being thinned everyday, so far, we know that after the deaths in Mecca, the herd is at least 700 dumbasses less. Society is getting smarter and smarter by the day, more and more people are shunning religion everyday. And yes, people who do dumb things have lower IQs. Very simple math. Low IQ = dumb. Get it? Quotes from some research done: Quote:Various researches have showed that the average person has average intelligence regardless of how religious they are. Many conclude that: ...no amount of research has shown that Atheists are notably smarter than highly religious folks. Another research said Quote:Being religious is not antagonistic to professional pursuits or use of brain but it's complementary.
Some religious people are more smarter than you atheists. There are also more smarter people who are religious than atheists in total. So smartness is not preserve of the atheists. Another quote: Quote:Sir Isaac Newton, for instance, whom Simmons considers to be the most important scientist who ever lived, was aided greatly in his endeavors by his belief in an ordered universe created by a God of order. Thus he could write, "It is the perfection of God's works that they are all done with the greatest simplicity. He is the God of order and not of confusion."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Ngogoyo wrote:Impunity wrote:Taurrus wrote:masukuma wrote:by the way... is it possible to review that devil stoning exercise? since it's counter productive! the devil is there to be stoned each year but not all the stoners manage to survive the stoning. Watu wanalipa fare kubwa halafu wanakufa wakirushia saitan mawe? since saitan is not omnipresent - labda saa hiyo ako Brazil! too many unnecessary deaths in the muslim world. What are kina @Alpha and @guru has to say? they are currently stoning the devil ....just like Gor fans Religion is the biggest Con for humanity. I am no atheist by the way but some of these things religion forces people to do, leaves me smdh! i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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harrydre wrote:Ngogoyo wrote:Impunity wrote:Taurrus wrote:masukuma wrote:by the way... is it possible to review that devil stoning exercise? since it's counter productive! the devil is there to be stoned each year but not all the stoners manage to survive the stoning. Watu wanalipa fare kubwa halafu wanakufa wakirushia saitan mawe? since saitan is not omnipresent - labda saa hiyo ako Brazil! too many unnecessary deaths in the muslim world. What are kina @Alpha and @guru has to say? they are currently stoning the devil ....just like Gor fans Religion is the biggest Con for humanity. I am no atheist by the way but some of these things religion forces people to do, leaves me smdh! @harrydre, your speech above is hate and this is inherently Un-Christian  " Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke [reason with] thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord." (Leviticus 19:17-18)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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When we stone the "devil", it is not physically causing a damage to the satan. It is a symbolic act. It means we are against the devil as we know the devil is always trying to take us to the wrong path.
So when we stone we show that he an enemy to us and this is to humiliate the devil.
This ritual of stoning the 'Devil' during the Hajj is Abrahamic
While Abraham went to fulfil God's order of sacrificing his son, Satan appeared and tried to prevent Abraham from obeying the command of God. So Abraham pelted Satan with stones.
So to this day, the very point Abraham stoned the devil, pilgrims commemorate this, they go to stone these pillars as a symbol that shaitan will not come between me and the commandments of Allah. So the pilgrims display this determination.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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AlphDoti wrote:When we stone the "devil", it is not physically causing a damage to the satan. It is a symbolic act. It means we are against the devil as we know the devil is always trying to take us to the wrong path.
So when we stone we show that he an enemy to us and this is to humiliate the devil.
This ritual of stoning the 'Devil' during the Hajj is Abrahamic
While Abraham went to fulfil God's order of sacrificing his son, Satan appeared and tried to prevent Abraham from obeying the command of God. So Abraham pelted Satan with stones.
So to this day, the very point Abraham stoned the devil, pilgrims commemorate this, they go to stone these pillars as a symbol that shaitan will not come between me and the commandments of Allah. So the pilgrims display this determination. you guys don't have to literally stone him gor style to extent of causing stampedes and deaths. kwani hamna akili? i.am.back!!!!
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