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Aguytrying wrote:murchr wrote:NSE 4980.48 - May 13th And the silence is deafening. you can hear admin drop a pin, with the silence here. Interestingly for me, despite NSE 20 being down almost 3%, I'm still in the green year to date. coz my laggards haven't moved down much. Team laggards I want the prices to go lower to load up some more.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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hisah wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:This is a good 'past paper' for revision. From pages 69+ Indeed. I never thot this thread would run this long...
Btw I'm still uncomfy at this elevated indices heights with all these profit warnings and thin volume! Weak bull legs... The saving grace is weak oil prices. A sharp rebound on oil prices will make things very messy with all these earnings warnings.
Also got beef with NSE on the same. Warnings are issued for a current FY and 3 months in advance. The current warnings have violated the 90 day prior rule and some after FY has closed! What a shame NSE . Global markets don't run this way. Stated back in Feb.
Finally I can return to updating this thread when the bulls have been decimated!$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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I don't see a bear. The numbers on Co-op & KCB don't indicate that. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,182 Location: nairobi
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This topic is valid,somebody remind me the summarised answer.I can't read 5,363 posts. "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/25/2010 Posts: 344
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carb 17 nic 51 cfc 103 Jesu mwega, kuungua proper
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,182 Location: nairobi
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Cfc insurance and unga group are intact,what drug do they take?? "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/1/2014 Posts: 903 Location: sky
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mlennyma wrote:Cfc insurance and unga group are intact,what drug do they take?? I have noticed that especially on cfci its like somebody has been keen to pick any supply below 25 There are only two emotions in the stock market, fear and hope. The problem is, you hope when you should fear and fear when you should hope
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littledove wrote:mlennyma wrote:Cfc insurance and unga group are intact,what drug do they take?? I have noticed that especially on cfci its like somebody has been keen to pick any supply below 25 Probably the parent company A successful man is not he who gets the best, it is he who makes the best from what he gets.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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When the sovereign bond market bottom falls out the initial reaction will be both global bonds and equities will nosedive. But since this will be a sovereign bond crisis the initial equities crash will be a nice opportunity to buy. Once the smoke clears and investors see the sovereign debt crisis they'll pile into stocks heavily as public debt is trashed vs private debt. This wealth transfer event will favour equities vs real estate and commodities. Bonds wil be thrown in the dustbin. Those funds that really on the bond market only will lose a lot of money and may even shutdown! Pension funds and savings will be bailed in as governments grab those cookie jar to save the sovereign debt market. This is why I've resisted to advocate for the money market as equities selloff since this is a false reaction! Capital will definitely fly out of government market into private debt (stocks or corporates bonds etc). We will see a lot of revolts across the globe when govt pension funds get raided. When this happens equities will reverse their initial selloff and recoup all the losses and stage a major rally for the next decade until the next rotation cycle into commodities or real estate. I'm putting this here as a reminder for the equities major bottom signal. $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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hisah wrote:When the sovereign bond market bottom falls out the initial reaction will be both global bonds and equities will nosedive. But since this will be a sovereign bond crisis the initial equities crash will be a nice opportunity to buy. Once the smoke clears and investors see the sovereign debt crisis they'll pile into stocks heavily as public debt is trashed vs private debt.
This wealth transfer event will favour equities vs real estate and commodities. Bonds wil be thrown in the dustbin. Those funds that really on the bond market only will lose a lot of money and may even shutdown! Pension funds and savings will be bailed in as governments grab those cookie jar to save the sovereign debt market.
This is why I've resisted to advocate for the money market as equities selloff since this is a false reaction! Capital will definitely fly out of government market into private debt (stocks or corporates bonds etc). We will see a lot of revolts across the globe when govt pension funds get raided.
When this happens equities will reverse their initial selloff and recoup all the losses and stage a major rally for the next decade until the next rotation cycle into commodities or real estate.
I'm putting this here as a reminder for the equities major bottom signal. God Forbid-oh... that markets have to act for Sovereigns to reign in wasteful chopping of money.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,182 Location: nairobi
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hisah wrote:When the sovereign bond market bottom falls out the initial reaction will be both global bonds and equities will nosedive. But since this will be a sovereign bond crisis the initial equities crash will be a nice opportunity to buy. Once the smoke clears and investors see the sovereign debt crisis they'll pile into stocks heavily as public debt is trashed vs private debt.
This wealth transfer event will favour equities vs real estate and commodities. Bonds wil be thrown in the dustbin. Those funds that really on the bond market only will lose a lot of money and may even shutdown! Pension funds and savings will be bailed in as governments grab those cookie jar to save the sovereign debt market.
This is why I've resisted to advocate for the money market as equities selloff since this is a false reaction! Capital will definitely fly out of government market into private debt (stocks or corporates bonds etc). We will see a lot of revolts across the globe when govt pension funds get raided.
When this happens equities will reverse their initial selloff and recoup all the losses and stage a major rally for the next decade until the next rotation cycle into commodities or real estate.
I'm putting this here as a reminder for the equities major bottom signal. what are your prediction timelines? "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:[quote=hisah]When the sovereign bond market bottom falls out the initial reaction will be both global bonds and equities will nosedive. But since this will be a sovereign bond crisis the initial equities crash will be a nice opportunity to buy. Once the smoke clears and investors see the sovereign debt crisis they'll pile into stocks heavily as public debt is trashed vs private debt.
This wealth transfer event will favour equities vs real estate and commodities. Bonds wil be thrown in the dustbin. Those funds that really on the bond market only will lose a lot of money and may even shutdown! Pension funds and savings will be bailed in as governments grab those cookie jar to save the sovereign debt market.
This is why I've resisted to advocate for the money market as equities selloff since this is a false reaction! Capital will definitely fly out of government market into private debt (stocks or corporates bonds etc). We will see a lot of revolts across the globe when govt pension funds get raided.
When this happens equities will reverse their initial selloff and recoup all the losses and stage a major rally for the next decade until the next rotation cycle into commodities or real estate.
I'm putting this here as a reminder for the equities major bottom signal. God Forbid-oh... that markets have to act for Sovereigns to reign in wasteful chopping of money.[/quote Brazil’s downgrade: A blessing in disguise
Quote:“The sooner we adjust, the less costly that transition will be. We think we have increasing awareness in Congress about the need for that, especially after yesterday’s events. We want to have all of the resources and spending compatible with achieving the 0.7 per cent, that’s the strategy,” Levy told journalists. http://thebricspost.com/...n-disguise/#.VfaJzn07WSq
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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mlennyma wrote:hisah wrote:When the sovereign bond market bottom falls out the initial reaction will be both global bonds and equities will nosedive. But since this will be a sovereign bond crisis the initial equities crash will be a nice opportunity to buy. Once the smoke clears and investors see the sovereign debt crisis they'll pile into stocks heavily as public debt is trashed vs private debt.
This wealth transfer event will favour equities vs real estate and commodities. Bonds wil be thrown in the dustbin. Those funds that really on the bond market only will lose a lot of money and may even shutdown! Pension funds and savings will be bailed in as governments grab those cookie jar to save the sovereign debt market.
This is why I've resisted to advocate for the money market as equities selloff since this is a false reaction! Capital will definitely fly out of government market into private debt (stocks or corporates bonds etc). We will see a lot of revolts across the globe when govt pension funds get raided.
When this happens equities will reverse their initial selloff and recoup all the losses and stage a major rally for the next decade until the next rotation cycle into commodities or real estate.
I'm putting this here as a reminder for the equities major bottom signal. what are your prediction timelines? When the Japanese bond market starts imploding things will start moving very fast.Between now and 2017 this event will likely happen and in the process many govts across the globe will be unable to float bonds while their yields will spike to crazy levels as confidence is lost in the market!$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:[quote=hisah]When the sovereign bond market bottom falls out the initial reaction will be both global bonds and equities will nosedive. But since this will be a sovereign bond crisis the initial equities crash will be a nice opportunity to buy. Once the smoke clears and investors see the sovereign debt crisis they'll pile into stocks heavily as public debt is trashed vs private debt.
This wealth transfer event will favour equities vs real estate and commodities. Bonds wil be thrown in the dustbin. Those funds that really on the bond market only will lose a lot of money and may even shutdown! Pension funds and savings will be bailed in as governments grab those cookie jar to save the sovereign debt market.
This is why I've resisted to advocate for the money market as equities selloff since this is a false reaction! Capital will definitely fly out of government market into private debt (stocks or corporates bonds etc). We will see a lot of revolts across the globe when govt pension funds get raided.
When this happens equities will reverse their initial selloff and recoup all the losses and stage a major rally for the next decade until the next rotation cycle into commodities or real estate.
I'm putting this here as a reminder for the equities major bottom signal. God Forbid-oh... that markets have to act for Sovereigns to reign in wasteful chopping of money.[/quote Brazil’s downgrade: A blessing in disguise
Quote:“The sooner we adjust, the less costly that transition will be. We think we have increasing awareness in Congress about the need for that, especially after yesterday’s events. We want to have all of the resources and spending compatible with achieving the 0.7 per cent, that’s the strategy,” Levy told journalists. http://thebricspost.com/...-disguise/#.VfaJzn07WSq
BRICS bank vs IMF/World Bank. It's about to get ugly and this mess is what will prick the giant sovereign debt bond bubble. From October a flurry of money masters meetings are taking place as currency wars escalate. The other big fight is in the gold market as the chings try to grab control from London and New York.
This will be an amazing fight. In the meantime capital will continue flying into the USD. The CBs pegging their currency on USD (dollar pegs) will be faced by that Swiss euro peg moment! Those pegs will be abandoned swiftly as losses escalate vs the USD.$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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hisah wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:Cde Monomotapa wrote:[quote=hisah]When the sovereign bond market bottom falls out the initial reaction will be both global bonds and equities will nosedive. But since this will be a sovereign bond crisis the initial equities crash will be a nice opportunity to buy. Once the smoke clears and investors see the sovereign debt crisis they'll pile into stocks heavily as public debt is trashed vs private debt.
This wealth transfer event will favour equities vs real estate and commodities. Bonds wil be thrown in the dustbin. Those funds that really on the bond market only will lose a lot of money and may even shutdown! Pension funds and savings will be bailed in as governments grab those cookie jar to save the sovereign debt market.
This is why I've resisted to advocate for the money market as equities selloff since this is a false reaction! Capital will definitely fly out of government market into private debt (stocks or corporates bonds etc). We will see a lot of revolts across the globe when govt pension funds get raided.
When this happens equities will reverse their initial selloff and recoup all the losses and stage a major rally for the next decade until the next rotation cycle into commodities or real estate.
I'm putting this here as a reminder for the equities major bottom signal. God Forbid-oh... that markets have to act for Sovereigns to reign in wasteful chopping of money.[/quote Brazil’s downgrade: A blessing in disguise
Quote:“The sooner we adjust, the less costly that transition will be. We think we have increasing awareness in Congress about the need for that, especially after yesterday’s events. We want to have all of the resources and spending compatible with achieving the 0.7 per cent, that’s the strategy,” Levy told journalists. http://thebricspost.com/...-disguise/#.VfaJzn07WSq
BRICS bank vs IMF/World Bank. It's about to get ugly and this mess is what will prick the giant sovereign debt bond bubble. From October a flurry of money masters meetings are taking place as currency wars escalate. The other big fight is in the gold market as the chings try to grab control from London and New York.
This will be an amazing fight. In the meantime capital will continue flying into the USD. The CBs pegging their currency on USD (dollar pegs) will be faced by that Swiss euro peg moment! Those pegs will be abandoned swiftly as losses escalate vs the USD. Rebalancing, rebalancing, rebalancing. I hope rationality will be maintained and the politico angling reduced! When Trump says Make America Great Again, I tend to agree. Politics has to take a back seat. I like how they've dubbed the Samba FM, “Joaquim Scissorhands”. Hehe..
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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@cde the US has to ditch that mono party system if it's to rediscover itself like back in the 18th and 19th century. Demos and reps are the same face just like the chings people's party! If they are able to form a 3rd party which comes up with a fresh political dogma that will be an awesome reboot. Otherwise in a decade or two they'll be in the dustbin just like the empires before them. $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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Brazil announces tax hikes, spending cuts to end deficit Quote: The CPMF tax on financial transactions was brought back from cold storage. It is expected to raise 32 billion reais next year if it passes muster in the Brazilian Congress. The CPMF tax expired in 2007, and has been brought back at a lower rate of 0.2 percent this time, Finance Minister Joaquim Levy said. “We know this effort to cut spending will only take us so far, so as would happen in any country in the world in a moment of reduced economic activity and tax income, you have to seek out other resources. We’re trying to find that balance,” Levy told reporters. http://thebricspost.com/...nd-deficit/#.Vfen1307WSp
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,182 Location: nairobi
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Where are we?should we expect any further downside or what we saw was the worst?I have some money to utilise "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,220 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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mlennyma wrote:Where are we?should we expect any further downside or what we saw was the worst?I have some money to utilise from macros perspective, i expect the USD bulls to chicken out just like the FED,offering the much needed relief to EM and FM currencies including Kenya, atleat in the short run. MPC will also put a freeze on the cbr hikes(for now) and this will be a good thing for NSE bulls. Globally, i expect a gradual selloff in the US markets as investors begin to lose confidence in FED's ability to jump start the economy 7 years into easing. EM and FMs as well as gold will rally hard as a result. Back to KE, i suggest you go in into liquid, solid stocks for ease of exit. @SufficientlyP
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,182 Location: nairobi
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:mlennyma wrote:Where are we?should we expect any further downside or what we saw was the worst?I have some money to utilise from macros perspective, i expect the USD bulls to chicken out just like the FED,offering the much needed relief to EM and FM currencies including Kenya, atleat in the short run. MPC will also put a freeze on the cbr hikes(for now) and this will be a good thing for NSE bulls. Globally, i expect a gradual selloff in the US markets as investors begin to lose confidence in FED's ability to jump start the economy 7 years into easing. EM and FMs as well as gold will rally hard as a result. Back to KE, i suggest you go in into liquid, solid stocks for ease of exit. "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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