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Rank: New-farer Joined: 10/13/2014 Posts: 28
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Hi Wazuans,
I Need some advice.
I am holding some cash (about Kshs. 100K) that I wish to use in this bargain season. My current portfolio is as follows; KCB, Equity, K-Re, KPLC, Centum and Safaricom. I have 3 questions 1. Which of the above counters should I load up? 2. When is the right time? 3. Should I take my money elsewhere?
NB: My investment is long long term
Thanks
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,184 Location: nairobi
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KondooEconomist wrote:Hi Wazuans,
I Need some advice.
I am holding some cash (about Kshs. 100K) that I wish to use in this bargain season. My current portfolio is as follows; KCB, Equity, K-Re, KPLC, Centum and Safaricom. I have 3 questions 1. Which of the above counters should I load up? 2. When is the right time? 3. Should I take my money elsewhere?
NB: My investment is long long term
Thanks if you hear what the Dj is talking about centum you will be persuaded to buy it. "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,818 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
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KondooEconomist wrote:Hi Wazuans,
I Need some advice.
I am holding some cash (about Kshs. 100K) that I wish to use in this bargain season. My current portfolio is as follows; KCB, Equity, K-Re, KPLC, Centum and Safaricom. I have 3 questions 1. Which of the above counters should I load up? 2. When is the right time? 3. Should I take my money elsewhere?
NB: My investment is long long term
Thanks KCB, Equity, K-Re, KPLC, Centum and Safaricom. Questions1. Which of the above counters should I load up? KPLC has a lot of GoK hands, K-Re NEVER rallies (with or without bears and bulls), Safaricom is a ticking time bomb (Their abuse of market dominance is not for a long timer), KCB & Equity, end of banks super profits is near (what is going on with banks by the way). Am only left with CENTUM.2. When is the right time? The right time is that time you notice a good price. I am against timing of the market, most of the time, it disappoints.3. Should I take my money elsewhere? If you have anywhere you can put your 100k and get 15% for three years consecutively, i'd advise you do that. But don't think bonds, they are hard to liquidate in case of "anything".And by the way, don't make your investment decisions entirely based on what Wazua recommends. Carry out your own research. Google, call, walk around, visit, think, read, analyse. Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/11/2006 Posts: 884
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Centum and Equity are my biggest stocks investment “Invest in yourself. Your career is the engine of your wealth.”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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KCB, EQUITY AND SAFARICOM. KPLC, KNRE are not stable enough for long term. Centum could be if your smart The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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NEVER base your reason to make an investment on another person......for obvious reasons. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,184 Location: nairobi
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murchr wrote:NEVER base your reason to make an investment on another person......for obvious reasons. it's however important to know the vision of the pple owning what you want to buy . "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/17/2014 Posts: 132 Location: Wherethewindblows
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mlennyma wrote: if you hear what the Dj is talking about centum you will be persuaded to buy it.
What did the dj say? Missed it You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else - Albert Einstein
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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dunkang wrote:KondooEconomist wrote:Hi Wazuans,
I Need some advice.
I am holding some cash (about Kshs. 100K) that I wish to use in this bargain season. My current portfolio is as follows; KCB, Equity, K-Re, KPLC, Centum and Safaricom. I have 3 questions 1. Which of the above counters should I load up? 2. When is the right time? 3. Should I take my money elsewhere?
NB: My investment is long long term
Thanks KCB, Equity, K-Re, KPLC, Centum and Safaricom. Questions1. Which of the above counters should I load up? KPLC has a lot of GoK hands, K-Re NEVER rallies (with or without bears and bulls), Safaricom is a ticking time bomb (Their abuse of market dominance is not for a long timer), KCB & Equity, end of banks super profits is near (what is going on with banks by the way). Am only left with CENTUM.2. When is the right time? The right time is that time you notice a good price. I am against timing of the market, most of the time, it disappoints.3. Should I take my money elsewhere? If you have anywhere you can put your 100k and get 15% for three years consecutively, i'd advise you do that. But don't think bonds, they are hard to liquidate in case of "anything".And by the way, don't make your investment decisions entirely based on what Wazua recommends. Carry out your own research. Google, call, walk around, visit, think, read, analyse. Dunkang, since you work for Airtel. How is Safaricom abusing its dominance? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Hello Joined: 9/8/2015 Posts: 6 Location: nairobi
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Do your own research, none of this "stock pickers" have a crystal ball to predict future prices.
Sometimes your informed gut feeling is all you need to make the best investment choice.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,300
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KondooEconomist wrote:Hi Wazuans,
I Need some advice.
I am holding some cash (about Kshs. 100K) that I wish to use in this bargain season. My current portfolio is as follows; KCB, Equity, K-Re, KPLC, Centum and Safaricom. I have 3 questions 1. Which of the above counters should I load up? 2. When is the right time? 3. Should I take my money elsewhere?
NB: My investment is long long term
Thanks I would request you to buy Carbacid to taste the didvidend next month as well as Barclays at current discount and reason it has good dividend value. Kenol is also not too bad for you- low price good dividend or CIC that has headroom next year.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2013 Posts: 1,977 Location: Here
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erickenyan wrote:Do your own research, none of this "stock pickers" have a crystal ball to predict future prices.
Sometimes your informed gut feeling is all you need to make the best investment choice.
murchr wrote: NEVER base your reason to make an investment on another person......for obvious reasons. You people are funny! You are given a list to make suggestions and you come in with your blah blah.. ooh don't ... The individual has already researched and narrowed down. He/she wants to see how many wazuans agree/disagree with his findings for him to make a DECISION. Comparing notes with fellows in the field is important. Unless you want mean wazuans can't advice someone not withstanding we ALL know NON can predict future. But even the chartists among others try to predict future happennings. Stop killing the wazua spirit of airing views. Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Boris Boyka wrote:erickenyan wrote:Do your own research, none of this "stock pickers" have a crystal ball to predict future prices.
Sometimes your informed gut feeling is all you need to make the best investment choice.
murchr wrote: NEVER base your reason to make an investment on another person......for obvious reasons. You people are funny! You are given a list to make suggestions and you come in with your blah blah.. ooh don't ... The individual has already researched and narrowed down. He/she wants to see how many wazuans agree/disagree with his findings for him to make a DECISION. Comparing notes with fellows in the field is important. Unless you want mean wazuans can't advice someone not withstanding we ALL know NON can predict future. But even the chartists among others try to predict future happennings. Stop killing the wazua spirit of airing views. Look at you....you are now bla blaing..., why not give your choice(s) instead of bashing those who have expressed their views however they know best? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,184 Location: nairobi
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murchr wrote:dunkang wrote:KondooEconomist wrote:Hi Wazuans,
I Need some advice.
I am holding some cash (about Kshs. 100K) that I wish to use in this bargain season. My current portfolio is as follows; KCB, Equity, K-Re, KPLC, Centum and Safaricom. I have 3 questions 1. Which of the above counters should I load up? 2. When is the right time? 3. Should I take my money elsewhere?
NB: My investment is long long term
Thanks KCB, Equity, K-Re, KPLC, Centum and Safaricom. Questions1. Which of the above counters should I load up? KPLC has a lot of GoK hands, K-Re NEVER rallies (with or without bears and bulls), Safaricom is a ticking time bomb (Their abuse of market dominance is not for a long timer), KCB & Equity, end of banks super profits is near (what is going on with banks by the way). Am only left with CENTUM.2. When is the right time? The right time is that time you notice a good price. I am against timing of the market, most of the time, it disappoints.3. Should I take my money elsewhere? If you have anywhere you can put your 100k and get 15% for three years consecutively, i'd advise you do that. But don't think bonds, they are hard to liquidate in case of "anything".And by the way, don't make your investment decisions entirely based on what Wazua recommends. Carry out your own research. Google, call, walk around, visit, think, read, analyse. Dunkang, since you work for Airtel. How is Safaricom abusing its dominance? there is no bright mind that doesn't see the unhealth practices in the telecom sector "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/11/2014 Posts: 228 Location: Nairobi
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Those of us with not-so-bright minds would appreciate the education
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/18/2008 Posts: 9 Location: Nairobi
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In a case like yours I tend to look at which company's management has been doing the right thing, is still doing the right thing and whether this is translating into good results and profits. Don't pay attention to the fears of dominance and fear of super profits slowing down, for a long-termer this should not make you lose sleep. When safaricom was at sub 5bob level people were still fearing about all manner of things. Safaricom, KCB have been increasing earnings consistently year-on year. This is attributed to increased revenues, organizatonal restructuring to improve efficiencies, cost lowering, adding more revenue streams and embracing ICT in their operations. KenyaRE has guaranteed revenues but dont expect extraordinary profit growth. Only reason I would buy it is due to its low P/E ratio(less than 4). A firm that has steady profit growth and trades at that P/E is a definite buy. It has also been increasing its assets steadily and still trades at almost the same levels it did 5years ago. Even if you adjust for splits its obvious that KnRE is a bargain. KPLC = Government, politics, high capital investments.Their vision is to provide a service(power) to all,at a small profit. Not maximize shareholder value I personally wouldnt touch Centum after what happened to Uchumi years back where the Centum owners had a big stake. Am not convinced by the champagne and fireworks. The integrity of management is important. Equity has a plan of replicating its success to more countries. Even if it succeeds it would take time to reflect on its bottom line. also try to assess the impact of the pending rights issue on its price. Buying it will mean being part of their bet to succeed in their expansion. Expansion is already hurting profitable companies like CFC bank and Crown paints. I recommend only having one big bank in your portfolio. The second should be a mid-tier bank. One last thing is try balance your portfolio to have both big cap stocks and small cap stocks. Topic for another long thread.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/17/2014 Posts: 132 Location: Wherethewindblows
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fabrego wrote:In a case like yours I tend to look at which company's management has been doing the right thing, is still doing the right thing and whether this is translating into good results and profits. Don't pay attention to the fears of dominance and fear of super profits slowing down, for a long-termer this should not make you lose sleep. When safaricom was at sub 5bob level people were still fearing about all manner of things. Safaricom, KCB have been increasing earnings consistently year-on year. This is attributed to increased revenues, organizatonal restructuring to improve efficiencies, cost lowering, adding more revenue streams and embracing ICT in their operations. KenyaRE has guaranteed revenues but dont expect extraordinary profit growth. Only reason I would buy it is due to its low P/E ratio(less than 4). A firm that has steady profit growth and trades at that P/E is a definite buy. It has also been increasing its assets steadily and still trades at almost the same levels it did 5years ago. Even if you adjust for splits its obvious that KnRE is a bargain. KPLC = Government, politics, high capital investments.Their vision is to provide a service(power) to all,at a small profit. Not maximize shareholder value I personally wouldnt touch Centum after what happened to Uchumi years back where the Centum owners had a big stake. Am not convinced by the champagne and fireworks. The integrity of management is important. Equity has a plan of replicating its success to more countries. Even if it succeeds it would take time to reflect on its bottom line. also try to assess the impact of the pending rights issue on its price. Buying it will mean being part of their bet to succeed in their expansion. Expansion is already hurting profitable companies like CFC bank and Crown paints. I recommend only having one big bank in your portfolio. The second should be a mid-tier bank. One last thing is try balance your portfolio to have both big cap stocks and small cap stocks. Topic for another long thread. Very well articulated and insightful You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else - Albert Einstein
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