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I&M Bank to buy GIRO Bank
madebe
#1 Posted : Monday, September 07, 2015 9:07:02 AM
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I believe this is an act of buying a very ????? bank....
Pesa Nane
#2 Posted : Monday, September 07, 2015 9:32:15 AM
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Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
madebe
#3 Posted : Monday, September 07, 2015 9:41:09 AM
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Giro shares common owners with C&G.....anybody who can pull their HY 2015 numbers???

KulaRaha
#4 Posted : Monday, September 07, 2015 9:51:53 AM
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Irrelevant bank...waste of time purchase.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
hisah
#5 Posted : Monday, September 07, 2015 11:17:31 AM
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Meanwhile the price tries to stage a rally... Keyword stage.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Pesa Nane
#6 Posted : Monday, September 07, 2015 11:30:25 AM
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madebe wrote:
Giro shares common owners with C&G.....anybody who can pull their HY 2015 numbers???


Which one??

Click Here Giro FY14

Click Here Giro 1Q15

Click Here Giro 2Q15
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
Ericsson
#7 Posted : Monday, September 07, 2015 11:32:23 AM
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@Pesa Nane and Madebe
Yes they do share common ownership
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Ericsson
#8 Posted : Monday, September 07, 2015 11:35:19 AM
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Indians are converging towards One bank I&M bank which they will use to secure financing in their projects within east Africa.
That is why the bank is growing very fast.
Indians at CFCStnabic sold to Standard Bank SA and took their money to I&M Bank
Same case applied to East Africa Building Society which was sold to Ecobank.
And the same will apply to Fina Bank which was sold to Nigerian GT Bank
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mwekez@ji
#9 Posted : Monday, September 07, 2015 11:36:20 AM
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VituVingiSana
#10 Posted : Monday, September 07, 2015 11:44:05 AM
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Giro Bank has 0.5% market share [combined index]. I&M has 4.10%. So it doesn't get I&M over 5% [the threshold for 'big bank'] yet unless it can grab more market share from other banks.

Nevertheless, it's about gradual gains for some of these banks as they grow. A merger between I&M and NIC/DTB would have been more exciting.
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VituVingiSana
#11 Posted : Monday, September 07, 2015 11:47:38 AM
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hisah wrote:
Meanwhile the price tries to stage a rally... Keyword stage.
You are right. Total value of trades today by 11.45am is less than 600,000/- ... I&M makes more profit than that per (banking) hour!
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Aguytrying
#12 Posted : Monday, September 07, 2015 12:29:43 PM
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@vvs. I&M Vs DTB. Management,Valuations and future potential. Which one do you prefer.
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Ericsson
#13 Posted : Monday, September 07, 2015 12:33:58 PM
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Next will be I&M acquiring Fidelity and Guardian Bank to form a formidable force for the Indians
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VituVingiSana
#14 Posted : Monday, September 07, 2015 12:44:57 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
Next will be I&M acquiring Fidelity and Guardian Bank to form a formidable force for the Indians

Is CBK issuing banking licenses?
Can I&M 'sell' the banking license that Giro Bank has?
Is the ultimate aim to bulk up to sell out to a foreign bank?

GTB - Fina
Ecobank - Akiba/EABS
Bank M - Credit Bank
Stanbic - CFC

I am surprised that UBA hasn't folded. UBA would have been much better off buying 2-3 small Kenyan banks over time.

Instead of forcing mergers like Treasury wanted let the mergers happen naturally e.g. I&M buying Giro, etc

There was a rumor of a CBA-NIC tie-up which would make CBA a public company without the need for an IPO.
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VituVingiSana
#15 Posted : Monday, September 07, 2015 12:52:28 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
Next will be I&M acquiring Fidelity and Guardian Bank to form a formidable force for the Indians
Looking at CBK's report and Fidelity & Guardian teeny (0.5%) banks. Medium sized banks (to heft) would be Prime & Imperial (1.75% each). Those are too many mergers to make it worth their while. Culture, NPLs, Insiders, Politics, etc...

DTB is larger than I&M and a combined bank would make it a top 5 bank.
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Ericsson
#16 Posted : Monday, September 07, 2015 1:26:08 PM
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@VituVingiSana
The strategy here is for Indians to converge under one bank that can serve them adequately
United we stand divided we fall.
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mwekez@ji
#17 Posted : Monday, September 07, 2015 5:57:49 PM
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@Ericsson, while at it, it's a classic case of a good clean bank buying good clean but small banks; The economies of scale will increase the profit to be derived from these small banks
VituVingiSana
#18 Posted : Monday, September 07, 2015 10:52:33 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
@VituVingiSana
The strategy here is for Indians to converge under one bank that can serve them adequately
United we stand divided we fall.

I disagree. I think Banking in Kenya has slowly evolved (or evolving) towards banking for all. You cannot grow your market share if you remain insular. Money not ethnicity is what counts.

I&M has opened branches in what may be considered 'non-Asian' areas over the past 2-3 years (after going public). Check their website.

DTB has rapidly expanded across Kenya (& EAC) under the current CEO e.g. Kilifi, Mtwapa, etc without denying they do have the support of the Aga Khan's followers.

Equity has a Kenyan-Asian as the COO. He is 44 years old & the 35-50 year olds represents the next generation of (non-family) business 'leaders' as the current crop retires. The ED of I&M is 47.

Equity was a Kikuyu bank but it changed substantially since it listed. It is a regional bank with customers & staff of all hues.

My initial reaction was that I&M bought Giro to enter Uganda but I do not know if Giro has a Ugandan operation.

Uganda is a missing link for I&M (while DTB is missing in Rwanda).
http://www.businessdaily.../-/kc2gvmz/-/index.html

As @ericsson said, the books seem clean. I am sure I&M will go through the Balance Sheet with a fine comb. The 2Q results for Giro Bank are available online and I was impressed at the low level of NPLs and lots of GoK Bonds.
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VituVingiSana
#19 Posted : Monday, September 07, 2015 10:57:54 PM
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Speculation:
I&M has borrowers but needs deposits. Giro has depositors.

Giro has 13.5bn in deposits, 8.6bn in loans and 3.9bn in GoK bonds.
Liquidity Ratio: 51%
Gross NPLs 152mn but Net NPLs 86mn.
*Unlike NBK, I do not think these are massaged*

These are the sort of banks you want to invest in while they are 'private' ... Who recalls the private placement by I&M Bank?
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Ericsson
#20 Posted : Monday, September 07, 2015 11:12:52 PM
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@VituVingiSana
I&M is a closely knit bank majority owned and controlled by the shah family who also own Sarit Center.
The info I am giving is a deep insider info.
Look also at the movement of this guy "Madhoubushi Soundararajan".He was the former CEO of CFC bank before it was bought by Standard Bank.
He is/was a director at I&M bank and currently he is a non-executive director at Giro Bank.
His main task is to establish relationships for Indians to be united in how they do business here in Kenya so as to be able to fight the onslaught of Chinese.
If you a random check of the shopping malls being built by Indians go do a research to know the major financier.
I&M bank is becoming their financier for big pocket tenders and deals;Where I&M is unable that is when they approach the likes of KCB.
Madhoubushi Soundararajan was at one time a non-executive director at General Accident and the next thing we heard was I&M acquired the institution.
Yes the bank has opened branches in places with no large asian community in the name of banking for all but the core mandate still remains which I have mentioned.
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