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Life is short, have an affair
tycho
#41 Posted : Monday, August 31, 2015 11:55:34 AM
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danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:
danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:
danas10 wrote:

I feel lost.


Where are you going?


I am not moving...just whirling.


Whirling is moving. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufi_whirling


Aptly so, and in repetitive circles. So how would I say where I am going? My hapless tunes include personal experience, opinion, behavior hence conclusion.


Hapless tunes. I wonder if your list of notes is exhaustive, and also includes both of us.

For me, I think I'm adapted to moving in whirls- now when I look at how I have lived, I see it's been a whirl in a bigger whirl, into a bigger whirl, perhaps like in the eye of a cyclone, or probably a black hole. But I have known my destination because of the will, the intentionality of my action. So to the elements of the hapless tunes I hear, I'm charged to know, and act, and more so achieve my freely chosen objective. Freedom born of my heightened self consciousness and knowledge. I can imagine how much more hapless you can get when I add dreams into the tunes behind the whirl. Dreams that influence my 'waking thought', thought that influence my dreams.

Whirl, whirl, whirl. To the tune of perfect love. The end of all affairs. Eternal life.

tycho
#42 Posted : Monday, August 31, 2015 2:12:19 PM
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danas10
#43 Posted : Monday, August 31, 2015 5:24:17 PM
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tycho wrote:
danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:
danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:
danas10 wrote:

I feel lost.


Where are you going?


I am not moving...just whirling.


Whirling is moving. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufi_whirling


Aptly so, and in repetitive circles. So how would I say where I am going? My hapless tunes include personal experience, opinion, behavior hence conclusion.


Hapless tunes. I wonder if your list of notes is exhaustive, and also includes both of us.

For me, I think I'm adapted to moving in whirls- now when I look at how I have lived, I see it's been a whirl in a bigger whirl, into a bigger whirl, perhaps like in the eye of a cyclone, or probably a black hole. But I have known my destination because of the will, the intentionality of my action. So to the elements of the hapless tunes I hear, I'm charged to know, and act, and more so achieve my freely chosen objective. Freedom born of my heightened self consciousness and knowledge. I can imagine how much more hapless you can get when I add dreams into the tunes behind the whirl. (As it is, am already on rough ground.) Dreams that influence my 'waking thought', thought that influence my dreams.

Whirl, whirl, whirl. To the tune of perfect love. The end of all affairs. Eternal life.



Even in fair thought, the list cannot be exhaustive. I denied you the chance to add yours. And because I am the learner, the tunes are more about you. Hapless because i can't get a melody out of the them. The kind of melody i ascribe to. (This sounds selfish but I like it that way).

To your path, I find it intriguing that you talk of your destiny in a world of dynamics, where knowledge unravels every now and then. Based on your mind philosophy, I want to believe that the knowledge revealed at that time is bound to alter even our prior objective values. (in reference to your statement "information hiding" in a mind system). Assuming I understood you well, even in a whirlpool of dreams, can your affairs end? Haven't you resigned to them.

tycho
#44 Posted : Tuesday, September 01, 2015 2:38:47 AM
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danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:
danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:
danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:
danas10 wrote:

I feel lost.


Where are you going?


I am not moving...just whirling.


Whirling is moving. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufi_whirling


Aptly so, and in repetitive circles. So how would I say where I am going? My hapless tunes include personal experience, opinion, behavior hence conclusion.


Hapless tunes. I wonder if your list of notes is exhaustive, and also includes both of us.

For me, I think I'm adapted to moving in whirls- now when I look at how I have lived, I see it's been a whirl in a bigger whirl, into a bigger whirl, perhaps like in the eye of a cyclone, or probably a black hole. But I have known my destination because of the will, the intentionality of my action. So to the elements of the hapless tunes I hear, I'm charged to know, and act, and more so achieve my freely chosen objective. Freedom born of my heightened self consciousness and knowledge. I can imagine how much more hapless you can get when I add dreams into the tunes behind the whirl. (As it is, am already on rough ground.) Dreams that influence my 'waking thought', thought that influence my dreams.

Whirl, whirl, whirl. To the tune of perfect love. The end of all affairs. Eternal life.



Even in fair thought, the list cannot be exhaustive. I denied you the chance to add yours. And because I am the learner, the tunes are more about you. Hapless because i can't get a melody out of the them. The kind of melody i ascribe to. (This sounds selfish but I like it that way).

To your path, I find it intriguing that you talk of your destiny in a world of dynamics, where knowledge unravels every now and then. Based on your mind philosophy, I want to believe that the knowledge revealed at that time is bound to alter even our prior objective values. (in reference to your statement "information hiding" in a mind system). Assuming I understood you well, even in a whirlpool of dreams, can your affairs end? Haven't you resigned to them.



Survival isn't for the popular or convincing but for the fittest, and fitness is about constant striving and adaptation. So I need not assure anyone of anything. I only need to achieve my goals per time.

So far, your goal seems to be finding a tune of your liking even despite the claim that you're learning. Words changing context and meaning to fit your purpose in contrast to mine.

The conversation is no conversation at all.


danas10
#45 Posted : Tuesday, September 01, 2015 12:35:16 PM
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tycho wrote:

Survival isn't for the popular or convincing but for the fittest, and fitness is about constant striving and adaptation. So I need not assure anyone of anything. I only need to achieve my goals per time.

So far, your goal seems to be finding a tune of your liking even despite the claim that you're learning. Words changing context and meaning to fit your purpose in contrast to mine.

The conversation is no conversation at all.




I agree, it was no conversation. My apologies if it seemed intrusively extractive. Twasn't a finger poking. If you are happy with whatever you do, so be it.
tycho
#46 Posted : Tuesday, September 01, 2015 10:37:17 PM
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danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:

Survival isn't for the popular or convincing but for the fittest, and fitness is about constant striving and adaptation. So I need not assure anyone of anything. I only need to achieve my goals per time.

So far, your goal seems to be finding a tune of your liking even despite the claim that you're learning. Words changing context and meaning to fit your purpose in contrast to mine.

The conversation is no conversation at all.




I agree, it was no conversation. My apologies if it seemed intrusively extractive. Twasn't a finger poking. If you are happy with whatever you do, so be it.


Is the expression 'intrusively extractive' an euphemism? I realize that not all exchange is or should be a conversation. For example, it could be predatory behavior. Like, why should the lion apologize for hunting down the deer?

From what you've posted I can infer that you've been working to protect your belief system than understand mine. And that the apology is meant for the same effect.
danas10
#47 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2015 12:11:59 AM
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tycho wrote:
danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:

Survival isn't for the popular or convincing but for the fittest, and fitness is about constant striving and adaptation. So I need not assure anyone of anything. I only need to achieve my goals per time.

So far, your goal seems to be finding a tune of your liking even despite the claim that you're learning. Words changing context and meaning to fit your purpose in contrast to mine.

The conversation is no conversation at all.




I agree, it was no conversation. My apologies if it seemed intrusively extractive. Twasn't a finger poking. If you are happy with whatever you do, so be it.


Is the expression 'intrusively extractive' an euphemism? I realize that not all exchange is or should be a conversation. For example, it could be predatory behavior. Like, why should the lion apologize for hunting down the deer?

From what you've posted I can infer that you've been working to protect your belief system than understand mine. And that the apology is meant for the same effect.


No it's not. Why do you say so?

For you to defend affairs was rather unnerving and maybe my trying to understand why came out as predatory. I apologized for that.

My apology was/is in no way protectionist. The rope was on your neck. Now I have untied the knot, and I must let the rope be sucked into oblivion.
tycho
#48 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:26:45 AM
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danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:
danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:

Survival isn't for the popular or convincing but for the fittest, and fitness is about constant striving and adaptation. So I need not assure anyone of anything. I only need to achieve my goals per time.

So far, your goal seems to be finding a tune of your liking even despite the claim that you're learning. Words changing context and meaning to fit your purpose in contrast to mine.

The conversation is no conversation at all.




I agree, it was no conversation. My apologies if it seemed intrusively extractive. Twasn't a finger poking. If you are happy with whatever you do, so be it.


Is the expression 'intrusively extractive' an euphemism? I realize that not all exchange is or should be a conversation. For example, it could be predatory behavior. Like, why should the lion apologize for hunting down the deer?

From what you've posted I can infer that you've been working to protect your belief system than understand mine. And that the apology is meant for the same effect.


No it's not. Why do you say so?

For you to defend affairs was rather unnerving and maybe my trying to understand why came out as predatory. I apologized for that.

My apology was/is in no way protectionist. The rope was on your neck. Now I have untied the knot, and I must let the rope be sucked into oblivion.


I accept your apology. Think not of any offense because I see none.

What I'm trying to do is to expose the working of two apparently different minds, and their possibly common features and if successful, use the information to further the discussion that may have been perhaps too constrained.

1. I haven't defended having affairs- I have only accepted my propensity for it and used myself as an entry into the psychology and philosophy involved. Nay, I have been digging into my own spirituality. So how is it that all this has passed your notice that you think I'm defending affairs?

2. What does it mean to be 'unnerved', and how were you affected as far as your response goes?

3. Are there similarities between the working of our minds? Can the similarities be said to be objective?

Let's keep talking, you're helping me open and probably change my mind.
danas10
#49 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2015 1:40:45 PM
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tycho wrote:


I accept your apology. Think not of any offense because I see none.

What I'm trying to do is to expose the working of two apparently different minds, and their possibly common features and if successful, use the information to further the discussion that may have been perhaps too constrained.

1. I haven't defended having affairs- I have only accepted my propensity for it and used myself as an entry into the psychology and philosophy involved. Nay, I have been digging into my own spirituality. So how is it that all this has passed your notice that you think I'm defending affairs?

2. What does it mean to be 'unnerved', and how were you affected as far as your response goes?

3. Are there similarities between the working of our minds? Can the similarities be said to be objective?

Let's keep talking, you're helping me open and probably change my mind.


OK.

Let me start from this statement... "So to the elements of the hapless tunes I hear, I'm charged to know, and act, and more so achieve my freely chosen objective. Freedom born of my heightened self consciousness and knowledge"

If I said this of an action that I have naturalized through my pattern of thoughts, I most probably would be inclined to defend the position assumed as a result. My tunes are such that there is a thought that leads to opinion, then behavior is bred from the choices made. Eventually you have a narration of experience(s). And then it seems OK.

Why was I unnerved? Because it seemed to imply you are OK with something you know hurts someone else (in this case your spouse). If I may ask, do you think perfect love can end affairs.

I think I have allowed my mind to accept that if I will hurt someone, its better to walk away. If someone portrays an image deceitfully, I will walk away from them too. I know this is cowardly but I could defend it as its borne out of a free will.
masukuma
#50 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2015 5:04:16 PM
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tycho
#52 Posted : Thursday, September 03, 2015 12:45:19 PM
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danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:


I accept your apology. Think not of any offense because I see none.

What I'm trying to do is to expose the working of two apparently different minds, and their possibly common features and if successful, use the information to further the discussion that may have been perhaps too constrained.

1. I haven't defended having affairs- I have only accepted my propensity for it and used myself as an entry into the psychology and philosophy involved. Nay, I have been digging into my own spirituality. So how is it that all this has passed your notice that you think I'm defending affairs?

2. What does it mean to be 'unnerved', and how were you affected as far as your response goes?

3. Are there similarities between the working of our minds? Can the similarities be said to be objective?

Let's keep talking, you're helping me open and probably change my mind.


OK.

Let me start from this statement... "So to the elements of the hapless tunes I hear, I'm charged to know, and act, and more so achieve my freely chosen objective. Freedom born of my heightened self consciousness and knowledge"

If I said this of an action that I have naturalized through my pattern of thoughts, I most probably would be inclined to defend the position assumed as a result. My tunes are such that there is a thought that leads to opinion, then behavior is bred from the choices made. Eventually you have a narration of experience(s). And then it seems OK.

Why was I unnerved? Because it seemed to imply you are OK with something you know hurts someone else (in this case your spouse). If I may ask, do you think perfect love can end affairs.

I think I have allowed my mind to accept that if I will hurt someone, its better to walk away. If someone portrays an image deceitfully, I will walk away from them too. I know this is cowardly but I could defend it as its borne out of a free will.


I respect your choice of action. In fact, you need not defend it to ME, though you may need to interrogate it for your self.

For me, I realize that the propensity for affairs is actually a kind of condition resulting from what appears to be a mind virus- mvirus- lag. For this mvirus, the basic premise is simply that my needs are met from without. How this mvirus fashions itself in my experience is most intriguing, especially when I consider that it was formed in the womb, and was affirmed through the entire socialization process.

Notice your choice to walk out is driven by the mviral basis.

So far, it seems that I have a very limited understanding of the mind. This has left me with plenty of vulnerability, even to con games.

The universe as it is seems to me, to be under perfect love, but affairs and evil exist. Why is it so? I realize it's because of how my mind works, and what it requires of me as a self conscious being.

Ethics is beyond pain and pleasure. I see it as a matter of computational efficiency and focus.



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