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sl8r
#2231 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2015 9:50:19 AM
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obiero wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
Afroblk wrote:
[quote=VituVingiSana]Robert Crandall, former CEO of American Airlines:

"I've never invested in any airline. I'm an airline manager. I don't invest in airlines. And I always said to the employees of American, 'This is not an appropriate investment. It's a great place to work and it's a great company that does important work. But airlines are not an investment."

Keep in mind, Robert Crandall isn't just another stock picker or analyst. He's a former airline executive who has won countless awards for his work in the airline industry. If he doesn't believe airlines are investable, how should we?

http://www.fool.com/inve...-wont-make-you-ric.aspx[/quote]

Where's a credible source??

In the meantime, those who invested in Airline stocks in the US realized an average of +300% gain in the last three years!

@afroblk please continue to educate our dear brother @vvs.. He made a huge loss on KQ and that makes him insist that the firm cannot turn a corner.. Today KES 6.50 will print. We are taking off!!! :)

I will not touch KQ until the Management & Board have changed. In particular, the guy who pushed (& benefited from) Project Mawingu.

To paraphrase Warren Buffett: Do I trust the Management? No, I do not.

That informs my decision to invest however attractive the price or the ratios of any firm I look at.
I can't buy enough shares to own 25% to influence any NSE firm so I will remain a minority shareholder who relies on the Board/Management to do the right thing.

@wazua we now only need to ask ourselves who is it that bought 10.5million KQ shares on Friday at a cost of 63million and whether he/she/they shall be back for more.. Swali nyeti

@obiero. add a few zeros to your portfolio smile

No thanks! My heart of iron and balls of steel have developed some chinks.. Waiting for H1 patiently..

perhaps you wont have to wait for too long
Lets see who they put in the top seat (if they do)
Kenya Airways bosses face the sack in Treasury’s turnaround strategy
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maka
#2232 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:23:29 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
sl8r wrote:
obiero wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
Afroblk wrote:
[quote=VituVingiSana]Robert Crandall, former CEO of American Airlines:

"I've never invested in any airline. I'm an airline manager. I don't invest in airlines. And I always said to the employees of American, 'This is not an appropriate investment. It's a great place to work and it's a great company that does important work. But airlines are not an investment."

Keep in mind, Robert Crandall isn't just another stock picker or analyst. He's a former airline executive who has won countless awards for his work in the airline industry. If he doesn't believe airlines are investable, how should we?

http://www.fool.com/inve...-wont-make-you-ric.aspx[/quote]

Where's a credible source??

In the meantime, those who invested in Airline stocks in the US realized an average of +300% gain in the last three years!

@afroblk please continue to educate our dear brother @vvs.. He made a huge loss on KQ and that makes him insist that the firm cannot turn a corner.. Today KES 6.50 will print. We are taking off!!! :)

I will not touch KQ until the Management & Board have changed. In particular, the guy who pushed (& benefited from) Project Mawingu.

To paraphrase Warren Buffett: Do I trust the Management? No, I do not.

That informs my decision to invest however attractive the price or the ratios of any firm I look at.
I can't buy enough shares to own 25% to influence any NSE firm so I will remain a minority shareholder who relies on the Board/Management to do the right thing.

@wazua we now only need to ask ourselves who is it that bought 10.5million KQ shares on Friday at a cost of 63million and whether he/she/they shall be back for more.. Swali nyeti

@obiero. add a few zeros to your portfolio smile

No thanks! My heart of iron and balls of steel have developed some chinks.. Waiting for H1 patiently..

perhaps you wont have to wait for too long
Lets see who they put in the top seat (if they do)
Kenya Airways bosses face the sack in Treasury’s turnaround strategy


All those senior fellows are going home...
possunt quia posse videntur
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Cde Monomotapa
#2233 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2015 11:08:39 AM
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Joined: 1/13/2011
Posts: 5,964
Non-cash interventions:

Fuel & staff costs are the 2 major industry costs. Thus;

1. The CS scrap all taxes on Jet Fuel.

2. The two houses focus on pro-business legislation instead of squabbling. Bloated governance, this Katiba?!?

3. The pilots consider the progressive productivity linked pay too.

4. Management desist trying to endear the airline to Kenyans and ponder the story of Jesus of Nazareth.

5. If NBK's 5B Rights is still in limbo, KQ's management must do more with less!
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Jimmy Boy
#2234 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2015 11:28:06 AM
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Posts: 15
Location: Geneva
@Cde Monomotapa, FYI JET A1 is not a taxed commodity and so is KERO
Regards,
Jimmy Boy
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rest.easy
#2235 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2015 12:53:30 PM
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Joined: 7/9/2010
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Cde Monomotapa
#2236 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2015 1:40:59 PM
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Posts: 5,964
rest.easy wrote:
LN307 ZA662 5Y-KZH and LN317 ZA663 5Y-KZJ 787-8s for Kenya Airways arrived in Paine Field for long term storage due to deffered delivery by customer:


About this. KQ also extended to end October the use of a larger 777-3 and redeployed it on the Hanoi route in place of a 787-8. The 777-3s were earlier reported to be returned to GECAS if I recall well.

Other sources report the 2 787-8s will be flown in beginning of October.

Matching capacity to passengers is overall good.
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Siringi
#2237 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2015 2:34:56 PM
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Joined: 6/8/2013
Posts: 2,517
"😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
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maka
#2238 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2015 2:54:48 PM
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Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
Siringi wrote:


At least suppliers will be paid...
possunt quia posse videntur
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sparkly
#2239 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2015 4:16:07 PM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
for the next 10 years KQ will be making money for Treasury and Afreximbank. Wanjikus have to forget dividends for as long!
Sparkly wrote:
The airline business makes money for everyone else except the shareholder.

Money for the plane manufacturers, financiers/lessors, oil companies, pilots and executives but nothing left for the shareholders. As optimistic as I am for KQ and its newer fleet, I Know that operating and financing costs will go up exponentially, offsetting increase in revenues and savings in maintenance.
Life is short. Live passionately.
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obiero
#2240 Posted : Thursday, September 03, 2015 6:45:24 AM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,477
Location: nairobi
sparkly wrote:
for the next 10 years KQ will be making money for Treasury and Afreximbank. Wanjikus have to forget dividends for as long!
Sparkly wrote:
The airline business makes money for everyone else except the shareholder.

Money for the plane manufacturers, financiers/lessors, oil companies, pilots and executives but nothing left for the shareholders. As optimistic as I am for KQ and its newer fleet, I Know that operating and financing costs will go up exponentially, offsetting increase in revenues and savings in maintenance.

Ten years! Thats definitely not true. November is near..
COOP 306,100 ABP 31.96, KEGN 112,100 ABP 10.64, MTNU 131,000 ABP 10.21
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