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watesh
#11 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:50:25 AM
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innovator wrote:
A 10% bonus without the share price blinking is not a tiny divided. At the current price of sh540 it is 54+8.50= 62.50 per share divided should be the highest in nse.

Companies that pay dividends in term of new shares rather than cash just show they are suffering cashwise
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VituVingiSana
#12 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2015 12:21:51 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,399
Location: Nairobi
watesh wrote:
innovator wrote:
A 10% bonus without the share price blinking is not a tiny divided. At the current price of sh540 it is 54+8.50= 62.50 per share divided should be the highest in nse.

Companies that pay dividends in term of new shares rather than cash just show they are suffering cashwise

I wanted to make a snide comment but perhaps the chap is lost.

A bonus is not a dividend. It is simply a slice cut from the same cake. You get more but thinner slices. Psychology.
If you owned 20% of Jubilee & got a 1:10 (10%) bonus you still own 20% of Jubilee. If the bonus was 1:1 (100%) you still own 20%.

Some firms don't pay dividends. Centum. Berkshire Hathaway. Let's discuss BH. It has split its (A to B & also B) shares on occasion. No dividend. It's cash holdings exceed Kenya's GDP.

Uchumi announced a dividend. Jubilee announces very small dividends. Which firm has outperformed over the past 10 even 20 years?

Many firms 'preserve' cash to reinvest in their businesses. Jubilee is one of them. Conservative firm. The Chairman is a major shareholder of Jubilee. I like that. Skin in the game.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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innovator
#13 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2015 12:39:07 PM
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Joined: 7/24/2010
Posts: 239
Location: nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
watesh wrote:
innovator wrote:
A 10% bonus without the share price blinking is not a tiny divided. At the current price of sh540 it is 54+8.50= 62.50 per share divided should be the highest in nse.

Companies that pay dividends in term of new shares rather than cash just show they are suffering cashwise

I wanted to make a snide comment but perhaps the chap is lost.

A bonus is not a dividend. It is simply a slice cut from the same cake. You get more but thinner slices. Psychology.
If you owned 20% of Jubilee & got a 1:10 (10%) bonus you still own 20% of Jubilee. If the bonus was 1:1 (100%) you still own 20%.

Some firms don't pay dividends. Centum. Berkshire Hathaway. Let's discuss BH. It has split its (A to B & also B) shares on occasion. No dividend. It's cash holdings exceed Kenya's GDP.

Uchumi announced a dividend. Jubilee announces very small dividends. Which firm has outperformed over the past 10 even 20 years?

Many firms 'preserve' cash to reinvest in their businesses. Jubilee is one of them. Conservative firm. The Chairman is a major shareholder of Jubilee. I like that. Skin in the game.


Is it not the value the shareholder gets at the end that matters. The combination of share price appreciation including bonus and dividends would be my interest in my investment.
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VituVingiSana
#14 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2015 12:53:44 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
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innovator wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
watesh wrote:
innovator wrote:
A 10% bonus without the share price blinking is not a tiny divided. At the current price of sh540 it is 54+8.50= 62.50 per share divided should be the highest in nse.

Companies that pay dividends in term of new shares rather than cash just show they are suffering cashwise

I wanted to make a snide comment but perhaps the chap is lost.

A bonus is not a dividend. It is simply a slice cut from the same cake. You get more but thinner slices. Psychology.
If you owned 20% of Jubilee & got a 1:10 (10%) bonus you still own 20% of Jubilee. If the bonus was 1:1 (100%) you still own 20%.

Some firms don't pay dividends. Centum. Berkshire Hathaway. Let's discuss BH. It has split its (A to B & also B) shares on occasion. No dividend. It's cash holdings exceed Kenya's GDP.

Uchumi announced a dividend. Jubilee announces very small dividends. Which firm has outperformed over the past 10 even 20 years?

Many firms 'preserve' cash to reinvest in their businesses. Jubilee is one of them. Conservative firm. The Chairman is a major shareholder of Jubilee. I like that. Skin in the game.


Is it not the value the shareholder gets at the end that matters. The combination of share price appreciation including bonus and dividends would be my interest in my investment.

Yes. At the end of the day what most investors want is TOTAL RETURN. That's a combination of dividends & value of shares. Jubilee has chosen the conservative path of preserving cash to reinvest instead of paying dividends & going for Rights Issues.

I am NOT advocating anyone buys Jubilee coz it is NOT cheap but I have seen it do very well for shareholders who bought it 20 years ago and held on to the shares. My goal is to buy the next Jubilee before folks find out it is the next Jubilee.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Aguytrying
#15 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2015 1:13:41 PM
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Joined: 7/11/2010
Posts: 5,040
VituVingiSana wrote:
innovator wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
watesh wrote:
innovator wrote:
A 10% bonus without the share price blinking is not a tiny divided. At the current price of sh540 it is 54+8.50= 62.50 per share divided should be the highest in nse.

Companies that pay dividends in term of new shares rather than cash just show they are suffering cashwise

I wanted to make a snide comment but perhaps the chap is lost.

A bonus is not a dividend. It is simply a slice cut from the same cake. You get more but thinner slices. Psychology.
If you owned 20% of Jubilee & got a 1:10 (10%) bonus you still own 20% of Jubilee. If the bonus was 1:1 (100%) you still own 20%.

Some firms don't pay dividends. Centum. Berkshire Hathaway. Let's discuss BH. It has split its (A to B & also B) shares on occasion. No dividend. It's cash holdings exceed Kenya's GDP.

Uchumi announced a dividend. Jubilee announces very small dividends. Which firm has outperformed over the past 10 even 20 years?

Many firms 'preserve' cash to reinvest in their businesses. Jubilee is one of them. Conservative firm. The Chairman is a major shareholder of Jubilee. I like that. Skin in the game.


Is it not the value the shareholder gets at the end that matters. The combination of share price appreciation including bonus and dividends would be my interest in my investment.

Yes. At the end of the day what most investors want is TOTAL RETURN. That's a combination of dividends & value of shares. Jubilee has chosen the conservative path of preserving cash to reinvest instead of paying dividends & going for Rights Issues.

I am NOT advocating anyone buys Jubilee coz it is NOT cheap but I have seen it do very well for shareholders who bought it 20 years ago and held on to the shares. My goal is to buy the next Jubilee before folks find out it is the next Jubilee.


Pan africa maybe. Anyway if the bears come to town proper you can get jubilee at 1.3-1.5 of NAV (245 according to SIB)
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Ali Baba
#16 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2015 1:30:37 PM
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Joined: 8/29/2008
Posts: 573
Aguytrying wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
innovator wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
watesh wrote:
innovator wrote:
A 10% bonus without the share price blinking is not a tiny divided. At the current price of sh540 it is 54+8.50= 62.50 per share divided should be the highest in nse.

Companies that pay dividends in term of new shares rather than cash just show they are suffering cashwise

I wanted to make a snide comment but perhaps the chap is lost.

A bonus is not a dividend. It is simply a slice cut from the same cake. You get more but thinner slices. Psychology.
If you owned 20% of Jubilee & got a 1:10 (10%) bonus you still own 20% of Jubilee. If the bonus was 1:1 (100%) you still own 20%.

Some firms don't pay dividends. Centum. Berkshire Hathaway. Let's discuss BH. It has split its (A to B & also B) shares on occasion. No dividend. It's cash holdings exceed Kenya's GDP.

Uchumi announced a dividend. Jubilee announces very small dividends. Which firm has outperformed over the past 10 even 20 years?

Many firms 'preserve' cash to reinvest in their businesses. Jubilee is one of them. Conservative firm. The Chairman is a major shareholder of Jubilee. I like that. Skin in the game.


Is it not the value the shareholder gets at the end that matters. The combination of share price appreciation including bonus and dividends would be my interest in my investment.

Yes. At the end of the day what most investors want is TOTAL RETURN. That's a combination of dividends & value of shares. Jubilee has chosen the conservative path of preserving cash to reinvest instead of paying dividends & going for Rights Issues.

I am NOT advocating anyone buys Jubilee coz it is NOT cheap but I have seen it do very well for shareholders who bought it 20 years ago and held on to the shares. My goal is to buy the next Jubilee before folks find out it is the next Jubilee.


Pan africa maybe. Anyway if the bears come to town proper you can get jubilee at 1.3-1.5 of NAV (245 according to SIB)
We,the proud shareholders of JUB are never worried by the bear.We are the bears.Even if the price slumps to 200,I will buy more.But I won't do any selling.And during the last AGM,one shareholder opposed the splitting of the shares.However,I think JUB should stop paying divindeds and invest all its cash.
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Pesa Nane
#17 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2015 2:23:27 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 5/25/2012
Posts: 4,105
Location: 08c
VituVingiSana wrote:
watesh wrote:
innovator wrote:
A 10% bonus without the share price blinking is not a tiny divided. At the current price of sh540 it is 54+8.50= 62.50 per share divided should be the highest in nse.

Companies that pay dividends in term of new shares rather than cash just show they are suffering cashwise

I wanted to make a snide comment but perhaps the chap is lost.

A bonus is not a dividend. It is simply a slice cut from the same cake. You get more but thinner slices. Psychology.
If you owned 20% of Jubilee & got a 1:10 (10%) bonus you still own 20% of Jubilee. If the bonus was 1:1 (100%) you still own 20%.

Some firms don't pay dividends. Centum. Berkshire Hathaway. Let's discuss BH. It has split its (A to B & also B) shares on occasion. No dividend. It's cash holdings exceed Kenya's GDP.

Uchumi announced a dividend. Jubilee announces very small dividends. Which firm has outperformed over the past 10 even 20 years?

Many firms 'preserve' cash to reinvest in their businesses. Jubilee is one of them. Conservative firm. The Chairman is a major shareholder of Jubilee. I like that. Skin in the game.

idiots are yet to pay my FY14 dividend of 30 bob!!
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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murchr
#18 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2015 2:36:50 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
VituVingiSana wrote:
watesh wrote:
innovator wrote:
A 10% bonus without the share price blinking is not a tiny divided. At the current price of sh540 it is 54+8.50= 62.50 per share divided should be the highest in nse.

Companies that pay dividends in term of new shares rather than cash just show they are suffering cashwise

I wanted to make a snide comment but perhaps the chap is lost.

A bonus is not a dividend. It is simply a slice cut from the same cake. You get more but thinner slices. Psychology.
If you owned 20% of Jubilee & got a 1:10 (10%) bonus you still own 20% of Jubilee. If the bonus was 1:1 (100%) you still own 20%.

Some firms don't pay dividends. Centum. Berkshire Hathaway. Let's discuss BH. It has split its (A to B & also B) shares on occasion. No dividend. It's cash holdings exceed Kenya's GDP.

Uchumi announced a dividend. Jubilee announces very small dividends. Which firm has outperformed over the past 10 even 20 years?

Many firms 'preserve' cash to reinvest in their businesses. Jubilee is one of them. Conservative firm. The Chairman is a major shareholder of Jubilee. I like that. Skin in the game.


And for the umpteenth time VVS explains what a bonus issue is to Wazua. Madam admin should come up with a FAQ portal. smile
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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VituVingiSana
#19 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2015 4:02:20 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,399
Location: Nairobi
Ali Baba wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
innovator wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
watesh wrote:
innovator wrote:
A 10% bonus without the share price blinking is not a tiny divided. At the current price of sh540 it is 54+8.50= 62.50 per share divided should be the highest in nse.

Companies that pay dividends in term of new shares rather than cash just show they are suffering cashwise

I wanted to make a snide comment but perhaps the chap is lost.

A bonus is not a dividend. It is simply a slice cut from the same cake. You get more but thinner slices. Psychology.
If you owned 20% of Jubilee & got a 1:10 (10%) bonus you still own 20% of Jubilee. If the bonus was 1:1 (100%) you still own 20%.

Some firms don't pay dividends. Centum. Berkshire Hathaway. Let's discuss BH. It has split its (A to B & also B) shares on occasion. No dividend. It's cash holdings exceed Kenya's GDP.

Uchumi announced a dividend. Jubilee announces very small dividends. Which firm has outperformed over the past 10 even 20 years?

Many firms 'preserve' cash to reinvest in their businesses. Jubilee is one of them. Conservative firm. The Chairman is a major shareholder of Jubilee. I like that. Skin in the game.


Is it not the value the shareholder gets at the end that matters. The combination of share price appreciation including bonus and dividends would be my interest in my investment.

Yes. At the end of the day what most investors want is TOTAL RETURN. That's a combination of dividends & value of shares. Jubilee has chosen the conservative path of preserving cash to reinvest instead of paying dividends & going for Rights Issues.

I am NOT advocating anyone buys Jubilee coz it is NOT cheap but I have seen it do very well for shareholders who bought it 20 years ago and held on to the shares. My goal is to buy the next Jubilee before folks find out it is the next Jubilee.


Pan africa maybe. Anyway if the bears come to town proper you can get jubilee at 1.3-1.5 of NAV (245 according to SIB)
We,the proud shareholders of JUB are never worried by the bear.We are the bears.Even if the price slumps to 200,I will buy more.But I won't do any selling.And during the last AGM,one shareholder opposed the splitting of the shares.However,I think JUB should stop paying divindeds and invest all its cash.
I am not a fan of South African management so no PAFR for me. Jubilee owns lots of equities and the solid management loves bear markets so they can go on a shopping spree. I would buy Jubilee like I buy roasted maize if I could get them at 200.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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VituVingiSana
#20 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2015 5:36:37 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,399
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@murchr. Asante! Bonuses, Splits = Mind games.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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