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The Absurd
tycho
#21 Posted : Monday, August 17, 2015 2:38:39 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
My interest here rests on what fuels a group of people, the investors, to fork up millions of dollars required to turn such an absurdity into a reality.

Think of the absurdity.

A mass of Somali natives have the gumption to slay the mighty US Marines and drag their bodies along the dusty streets or Mogadishu or wherever.

It rankles, it hurts pride deeply, and it means loss of face.

Until Black Hawk Down turns this absurdity of unimagined loss into a crowning victory.


For me to understand absurdity I need to believe that there's a 'normal' I subscribe to, and aberration from this normal is likely to be an absurdity especially if it 'rubs me the wrong way'.

In such a case, the motivation of other groups of people become inaccessible. I must invent new words like 'terrorist' or 'infidel' to adjust my sight of the 'absurd'.
¿
#22 Posted : Monday, August 17, 2015 3:49:51 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
My interest here rests on what fuels a group of people, the investors, to fork up millions of dollars required to turn such an absurdity into a reality.

Think of the absurdity.

A mass of Somali natives have the gumption to slay the mighty US Marines and drag their bodies along the dusty streets or Mogadishu or wherever.

It rankles, it hurts pride deeply, and it means loss of face.

Until Black Hawk Down turns this absurdity of unimagined loss into a crowning victory.


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In philosophy, "the Absurd" refers to the conflict between the human tendency to seek inherent value and meaning in life and the human inability to find any. In this context absurd does not mean "logically impossible", but rather "humanly impossible".


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The third option is to either construct or adopt a belief structure that provides a practical reprieve from the impossibility of true meaning while never actually rejecting that the system used is itself also meaningless.


aemathenge
#23 Posted : Monday, August 17, 2015 3:58:11 PM
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tycho wrote:
For me to understand absurdity I need to believe that there's a 'normal' I subscribe to, and aberration from this normal is likely to be an absurdity especially if it 'rubs me the wrong way'.


Very well.

I present to you a “normal” that is male circumcision among the Luo community. This community, their women included, hold the belief that they prefer their men “whole”. That is, uncircumcised.

To them, it is not “normal” to circumcise their boys/youth/men. It is an “absurdity” to circumcise their boys/youth/men. Having sex with such a circumcised boy/youth/man was “rubbing someone the wrong way” so to speak.

Out in the U S of fn A, a Lab Rat designs a virus that gets named Human Immuno Virus and sets it loose among the Gay community of San Francisco.

With no time, its product, Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome has jumped from the Gay community into “normally” sexually oriented people. It starts killing with reckless abandon. For a long time, it was acknowledged that getting HIV was a death sentence.

This death reap spread all over the world including among the Luo community.

Then someone came up with findings that a circumcised boy/youth/man has reduced chances of acquiring Human Immuno Virus during sexual intercourse.

Suddenly, having sex with a circumcised Luo boy/youth/man is no longer an absurdity to contemplate. Circumcising them is no longer an absurdity. Tradition gets thrown out of the “hot bed.” An American Lab Rat has made an "absurdity" a reality.

Did I understand your understanding of “absurdity”, your subscription of “normal”, possible aberration from such a “normal” and its absurdity “rubbing you the wrong way” correctly with my analogy hereto?

Play do tell.
aemathenge
#24 Posted : Monday, August 17, 2015 4:04:38 PM
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¿ wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
My interest here rests on what fuels a group of people, the investors, to fork up millions of dollars required to turn such an absurdity into a reality.

Think of the absurdity.

A mass of Somali natives have the gumption to slay the mighty US Marines and drag their bodies along the dusty streets or Mogadishu or wherever.

It rankles, it hurts pride deeply, and it means loss of face.

Until Black Hawk Down turns this absurdity of unimagined loss into a crowning victory.


Quote:
In philosophy, "the Absurd" refers to the conflict between the human tendency to seek inherent value and meaning in life and the human inability to find any. In this context absurd does not mean "logically impossible", but rather "humanly impossible".


Quote:
The third option is to either construct or adopt a belief structure that provides a practical reprieve from the impossibility of true meaning while never actually rejecting that the system used is itself also meaningless.




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Only when absurdity arises because your truth is my falsehood and vice versa.
¿
#25 Posted : Monday, August 17, 2015 4:28:08 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
¿ wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
My interest here rests on what fuels a group of people, the investors, to fork up millions of dollars required to turn such an absurdity into a reality.

Think of the absurdity.

A mass of Somali natives have the gumption to slay the mighty US Marines and drag their bodies along the dusty streets or Mogadishu or wherever.

It rankles, it hurts pride deeply, and it means loss of face.

Until Black Hawk Down turns this absurdity of unimagined loss into a crowning victory.


Quote:
In philosophy, "the Absurd" refers to the conflict between the human tendency to seek inherent value and meaning in life and the human inability to find any. In this context absurd does not mean "logically impossible", but rather "humanly impossible".


Quote:
The third option is to either construct or adopt a belief structure that provides a practical reprieve from the impossibility of true meaning while never actually rejecting that the system used is itself also meaningless.




Quote:


Only when absurdity arises because your truth is my falsehood and vice versa.


Relativity. Meaningless.

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There are no facts, only interpretations. — Friedrich Nietzsche, The Will to Power


Introduction: The dictatorship of relativism

aemathenge
#26 Posted : Monday, August 17, 2015 4:49:36 PM
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¿ wrote:
Relativity. Meaningless.

And therein lies the issue. My interpretation is mine. Your interpretation is yours.

Each may be a minority. Each may be the average. Each may be one held among the majority.

My only prayer is that we all support "our" interpretations with easily discernable "evidence" and not hide behind the banality of "learned" discourse.

Otherwise, what use is it? What value do "we" attach to an interpretation?
¿
#27 Posted : Monday, August 17, 2015 5:09:00 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
¿ wrote:
Relativity. Meaningless.

And therein lies the issue. My interpretation is mine. Your interpretation is yours.

Each may be a minority. Each may be the average. Each may be one held among the majority.

My only prayer is that we all support "our" interpretations with easily discernable "evidence" and not hide behind the banality of "learned" discourse.

Otherwise, what use is it? What value do "we" attach to an interpretation?


That's the point.

There is no easily discernible "evidence" and there is also no "evidence" to show that the "evidence" is admissible to be "evidence" in the search for meaning.

That is using meaning in the search for meaning but you've already found meaning so it ceases being a search for meaning.

What use is it? That's the search. Any value given to any interpretation is meaningless unless meaning is found.
kaka2za
#28 Posted : Monday, August 17, 2015 7:51:44 PM
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And all am reading here is absurd because I have no idea what you guys are on about.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
Othelo
#29 Posted : Monday, August 17, 2015 8:45:35 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
And all am reading here is absurd because I have no idea what you guys are on about.

Tuko wengi Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
¿
#30 Posted : Monday, August 17, 2015 9:03:03 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
And all am reading here is absurd because I have no idea what you guys are on about.


Humans have a desire to find meaning but existence is meaningless. That is "the absurd".

To confront this situation, everyone can choose to create their own meaning i.e. you can do,think or believe whatever you want. How you arrive at your meaning is also meaningless.

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