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The Absurd
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#1 Posted : Wednesday, August 12, 2015 2:10:00 PM
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Absurdism

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In philosophy, "the Absurd" refers to the conflict between the human tendency to seek inherent value and meaning in life and the human inability to find any. In this context absurd does not mean "logically impossible", but rather "humanly impossible". The universe and the human mind do not each separately cause the Absurd, but rather, the Absurd arises by the contradictory nature of the two existing simultaneously.


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In absurdist philosophy, the Absurd arises out of the fundamental disharmony between the individual's search for meaning and the meaninglessness of the universe.


The Difference Between Existentialism, Nihilism, and Absurdism

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In general, there are three ways of practically dealing with the situation.

1.Suicide due to life being ultimately meaningless and therefore either too boring or too painful

2.Embracing a meaning framework such as religion or spirituality

3.Acceptance of the lack of meaning, and living on in spite of it.


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The third option is to either construct or adopt a belief structure that provides a practical reprieve from the impossibility of true meaning while never actually rejecting that the system used is itself also meaningless.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, August 12, 2015 8:26:42 PM
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, August 12, 2015 8:47:46 PM
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There's a fourth possibility; the universe is itself not as meaningless as humans may perceive it, and that a more powerful force directs all events and all things. And that humans need not worry because even if they did, things would still do themselves. Humans are just rationalizers.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, August 12, 2015 8:56:45 PM
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A fifth possibility would be the universe is a vast intelligent system with many recursive and intelligent subsystems that are in sync but with varying effects for each subsystem.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:11:58 PM
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I think humanity is too young in the universe to start claiming 'absurdity'.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:16:18 PM
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Oh how the tune changes.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:35:38 PM
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Oh how the tune changes.


Humans find meaning in life through revelation, creativity and reason. That's why it's projected that around 7th millennium CE human activity may be undifferentiable from what we now call 'nature'. Humans will subdue nature.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, August 13, 2015 7:29:27 PM
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#9 Posted : Friday, August 14, 2015 8:13:48 AM
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Other animals like cats and dogs have no notion of meaning. Meaning is only important to humans and can be ascribed to linguistic development and self consciousness. So meaning is something almost imposed by humans on nature. It's perceived absence can be ascribed to 'weak' linguistic structure.
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#10 Posted : Friday, August 14, 2015 9:17:07 AM
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I like the pessimism of Schopenhauer (i.e., suicide) as well as the life-affirming doctrine of Nietzsche in the face of the Absurd. Never felt much for the second option.
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#12 Posted : Friday, August 14, 2015 5:44:48 PM
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deadpoet wrote:
I like the pessimism of Schopenhauer (i.e., suicide) as well as the life-affirming doctrine of Nietzsche in the face of the Absurd. Never felt much for the second option.


Both ideas are the similar. Only one fits a kind of personality disposition, and the other, another.

I've been interested in both philosophers and even now I see how much their thoughts have influenced me.

The thing in itself is knowable, and through this 'knowability' humans can align themselves to a 'purely subjective will without knowledge'- Schopenhauer's 'ultimate good', without being pessimistic.

The idea of 'existence as suffering' - the experience of the absurd is no longer tenable. Because humans can now freely choose to be the will, 'the thing in itself'.
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#13 Posted : Saturday, August 15, 2015 12:31:26 AM
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A black man as a member of Fantastic 4 !!

How in The Absurd !
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#14 Posted : Saturday, August 15, 2015 2:45:28 AM
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aemathenge wrote:
A black man as a member of Fantastic 4 !!

How in The Absurd !


It's a grey area.
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#15 Posted : Saturday, August 15, 2015 11:21:33 PM
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¿ wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
A black man as a member of Fantastic 4 !!

How in The Absurd !


It's a grey area.

The conversation here has been so grey, drab, a drudgery, so far.

This should bring some colour to the conversation.

I mean, what next?

A black Harry Porter?
An Islamic Double O Seven?
A Luo at State House?

Think of all the fun out there involved in making The Absurd a reality?
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#16 Posted : Sunday, August 16, 2015 12:31:34 AM
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aemathenge wrote:
¿ wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
A black man as a member of Fantastic 4 !!

How in The Absurd !


It's a grey area.

The conversation here has been so grey, drab, a drudgery, so far.

This should bring some colour to the conversation.

I mean, what next?

A black Harry Porter?
An Islamic Double O Seven?
A Luo at State House?

Think of all the fun out there involved in making The Absurd a reality?


Too much 'truth' to handle?
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#17 Posted : Sunday, August 16, 2015 9:27:55 AM
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¿ wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
¿ wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
A black man as a member of Fantastic 4 !!

How in The Absurd !


It's a grey area.

The conversation here has been so grey, drab, a drudgery, so far.

This should bring some colour to the conversation.

I mean, what next?

A black Harry Porter?
An Islamic Double O Seven?
A Luo at State House?

Think of all the fun out there involved in making The Absurd a reality?


Too much 'truth' to handle?


Only when absurdity arises because your truth is my falsehood and vice versa.
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#18 Posted : Monday, August 17, 2015 10:33:03 AM
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aemathenge wrote:
¿ wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
A black man as a member of Fantastic 4 !!

How in The Absurd !


It's a grey area.

The conversation here has been so grey, drab, a drudgery, so far.

This should bring some colour to the conversation.

I mean, what next?

A black Harry Porter?
An Islamic Double O Seven?
A Luo at State House?

Think of all the fun out there involved in making The Absurd a reality?


There's absurdity here only to the extent of the 'programs' running in our minds. But otherwise many other ideas and realities exist. And they go by other descriptions.

I can imagine a black Harry Porter, or a James Bond who's a Muslim, turn it to a script and later a movie. It's possible to have a Luo president, it's only a matter of conditions changing- if it's improbable now.





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#19 Posted : Monday, August 17, 2015 10:39:13 AM
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Harmony is the balance of Yin and Yang. Relativism and objectivity.
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#20 Posted : Monday, August 17, 2015 12:55:30 PM
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My interest here rests on what fuels a group of people, the investors, to fork up millions of dollars required to turn such an absurdity into a reality.

Think of the absurdity.

A mass of Somali natives have the gumption to slay the mighty US Marines and drag their bodies along the dusty streets or Mogadishu or wherever.

It rankles, it hurts pride deeply, and it means loss of face.

Until Black Hawk Down turns this absurdity of unimagined loss into a crowning victory.
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