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HaMaina
#61 Posted : Friday, August 07, 2015 4:21:01 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
HaMaina wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
streetwise wrote:
Beeen waiting to hear about the new managament at MSC and I see the counter picking some activity. Any insider in the house..is it time to BUY

Thinking MSC will wake up from slumber and recover is similar to seeing kenya @ level with US. Even if the management was good,how do they deal with the cost of production? when will they finish paying the debts? given the machinery and equipment are aging and not working how much do they need for repair and maintenance? If i am a competent manager i can't accept that job ofer from MSC as that is automatic tainting of your image.


Image aside, the new management has already been identified, its just the public announcement of who they are that's left, I think we shall find that out soon enough going by the level of demand on this counter. The debts, production efficiency etc is what they have been hired for, maybe its just me but I see a very good future for the company, the counter, the farmer and the country as a whole.

where is the cane to crush? I hear other Miller's have taken mumias cane farmers with instant payments on delivery


Maybe I'm being overly optimistic but here are some readings.
1. http://www.mumias-sugar....hp?page=Future-Products

2. http://www.agribusinessa...er-plan-boost-for-agric

3. http://www.businessdaily.../-/elsbflz/-/index.html

4. http://www.investmentken...o-go-on-sale-april-2014

5. http://mygov.go.ke/state...f-five-sugar-factories/
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Museveni
#62 Posted : Friday, August 07, 2015 4:32:46 PM
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streetwise wrote:
Beeen waiting to hear about the new managament at MSC and I see the counter picking some activity. Any insider in the house..is it time to BUY


Wait till September when the news pouring in on 're-opening'
Live and learn; and don’t forget, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Gatheuzi
#63 Posted : Friday, August 07, 2015 6:59:36 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Njung'e wrote:
Shameless thieves.They will be caught and they will go to jail.

http://www.the-star.co.k...pp#sthash.NVQhXBJ7.dpbs

You have more faith than I do in the Kenyan political and judicial system.

Zero faith from me too. If that man goes to jail with him KQ buddy I will know we have transformed into a first world.
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HaMaina
#64 Posted : Monday, August 10, 2015 8:32:09 AM
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More stories from the weekend.

http://www.standardmedia...-facilitate-its-recovery
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streetwise
#65 Posted : Monday, August 10, 2015 1:18:11 PM
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I thought this is old news and the factory is still closed.

When is the BIG news of reopening and new managemnt line up ?
Realtreaty
#66 Posted : Monday, August 10, 2015 2:25:07 PM
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d'oh! Sad Sad Let them first kill and clear the rats and mice that have eaten sugar even raw cane.
They are also making new arrngements with suppliers, creditors and debtors such that when they swing back there shll be no negative effects. The shre may kick at 5Kes a month after opening.
Sam_Kibs
#67 Posted : Monday, August 10, 2015 3:01:18 PM
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5Kes?? waiting.....this must be some propaganda. even 3bob sioni not in the near future!
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murchr
#68 Posted : Tuesday, August 11, 2015 7:06:38 AM
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The new chief executive is understood to have already started talks with Kenya Power to restore electricity connection at the miller. “He said as soon as he arrived that using diesel is no longer tenable especially at this time of maintenance. He was in Nairobi last week to try and strike a deal that would see Kenya Power reconnect the company,” a source at the firm told The Standard yesterday.

Read more at: http://www.standardmedia...wer-after-quiet-handover
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Museveni
#69 Posted : Tuesday, August 11, 2015 8:12:01 AM
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streetwise wrote:
I thought this is old news and the factory is still closed.

When is the BIG news of reopening and new managemnt line up ?

Sometime in September I believe/heard it will be
Live and learn; and don’t forget, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
HaMaina
#70 Posted : Tuesday, August 11, 2015 8:36:48 AM
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[quote=murchr]The new chief executive is understood to have already started talks with Kenya Power to restore electricity connection at the miller. “He said as soon as he arrived that using diesel is no longer tenable especially at this time of maintenance. He was in Nairobi last week to try and strike a deal that would see Kenya Power reconnect the company,” a source at the firm told The Standard yesterday.

Read more at: http://www.standardmedia...er-after-quiet-handover[/quote]

At last I see a face, now lets wait for a speech hopefully a good one.
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HaMaina
#71 Posted : Tuesday, August 11, 2015 3:51:50 PM
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Museveni wrote:
streetwise wrote:
I thought this is old news and the factory is still closed.

When is the BIG news of reopening and new managemnt line up ?

Sometime in September I believe/heard it will be


What does this mean for Kenyan Sugar, or does U.K have something in store?

Uhuru's Deal on Uganda Sugar Imports Puts Mumias on a difficuly spot

http://www.kenyans.co.ke...ts-mumias-difficuly-spot
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Wakanyugi
#72 Posted : Tuesday, August 11, 2015 5:37:55 PM
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HaMaina wrote:
Museveni wrote:
streetwise wrote:
I thought this is old news and the factory is still closed.

When is the BIG news of reopening and new managemnt line up ?

Sometime in September I believe/heard it will be


What does this mean for Kenyan Sugar, or does U.K have something in store?




It would seem like Uhuru has just thrown Mumias under the Mbus

"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
Njung'e
#73 Posted : Tuesday, August 11, 2015 6:09:24 PM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
HaMaina wrote:
Museveni wrote:
streetwise wrote:
I thought this is old news and the factory is still closed.

When is the BIG news of reopening and new managemnt line up ?

Sometime in September I believe/heard it will be


What does this mean for Kenyan Sugar, or does U.K have something in store?




It would seem like Uhuru has just thrown Mumias under the Mbus



Those who understand the sugar industry will tell you that the opposite is what will happen....but seeing who is complaining /commenting and knowing he is part of the problem MSC is down now (Yes.He still owes MSC millions of shillings, a fact he has never denied),i say i am not surprised.

For me, this presents a good opportunity to re-enter (Heck,i am not advising anybody pliz!!) considering this new development, the man at the helm and the re-opening date which i believe will be somewhere between 20th and 24th of this month.
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Wakanyugi
#74 Posted : Tuesday, August 11, 2015 6:59:55 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
HaMaina wrote:
Museveni wrote:
streetwise wrote:
I thought this is old news and the factory is still closed.

When is the BIG news of reopening and new managemnt line up ?

Sometime in September I believe/heard it will be


What does this mean for Kenyan Sugar, or does U.K have something in store?




It would seem like Uhuru has just thrown Mumias under the Mbus



Those who understand the sugar industry will tell you that the opposite is what will happen...


Can you please explain this? How is exposing dying Mumias to competition, including possibly re-exported sugar routed through Uganda, good for the company?

Why then were they earlier fighting the removal of COMESA protections?


"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
HaMaina
#75 Posted : Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:27:41 AM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
Njung'e wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
HaMaina wrote:
Museveni wrote:
streetwise wrote:
I thought this is old news and the factory is still closed.

When is the BIG news of reopening and new managemnt line up ?

Sometime in September I believe/heard it will be


What does this mean for Kenyan Sugar, or does U.K have something in store?




It would seem like Uhuru has just thrown Mumias under the Mbus



Those who understand the sugar industry will tell you that the opposite is what will happen...


Can you please explain this? How is exposing dying Mumias to competition, including possibly re-exported sugar routed through Uganda, good for the company?

Why then were they earlier fighting the removal of COMESA protections?




Just wondering, does the lifting of sugar import/export barriers for Uganda-Kenya also apply for Kenya-Uganda sugar exports?
“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
Wakanyugi
#76 Posted : Wednesday, August 12, 2015 11:30:58 AM
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HaMaina wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Njung'e wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
HaMaina wrote:
Museveni wrote:
streetwise wrote:
I thought this is old news and the factory is still closed.

When is the BIG news of reopening and new managemnt line up ?

Sometime in September I believe/heard it will be


What does this mean for Kenyan Sugar, or does U.K have something in store?




It would seem like Uhuru has just thrown Mumias under the Mbus



Those who understand the sugar industry will tell you that the opposite is what will happen...


Can you please explain this? How is exposing dying Mumias to competition, including possibly re-exported sugar routed through Uganda, good for the company?

Why then were they earlier fighting the removal of COMESA protections?




Just wondering, does the lifting of sugar import/export barriers for Uganda-Kenya also apply for Kenya-Uganda sugar exports?


I believe Kenya is a net importer of Sugar. If we were caught trying to sell sugar to Uganda, I believe it would be a clear indication that someone somewhere was cheating. Whether we can stop Ugandans from cheating is another matter.

By the way I started seeing Lugazi sugar in our super markets some weeks ago. I even bought some. So is this so called agreement simply an attempt to regularize a fait acompli?


"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
mlennyma
#77 Posted : Wednesday, August 12, 2015 11:36:02 AM
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Njung'e
#78 Posted : Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:14:18 PM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
[quote=Njung'e][quote=Wakanyugi][quote=HaMaina][quote=Museveni]

Can you please explain this? How is exposing dying Mumias to competition, including possibly re-exported sugar routed through Uganda, good for the company?

Why then were they earlier fighting the removal of COMESA protections?




Kenya has been protecting it's sugar industries from rogue COMESA states which import sugar from other destinations and export it to Kenya as their product. This countries are Egypt,Malawi and Swaziland. Uganda has never been on the list.Two,when you look at the key smuggled sugar points on our porous borders,again,the Ugandan side brings in 0% and it will take a miracle for it to become an entry to smuggled sugar.Three, we are quick to ask our neighbours to open up their borders so we may access their markets but we are not willing to open ours .They won't even tell that MSC's biggest market for ethanol has been Uganda and DRC)). Four, it must be noted that Kakira,Mumias and Lugazi are not far from one another and therefore a fair and competitive environment is an advantage to each.MSC will have advantage due it's size and if they resolve their issues which i believe will be done shortly under the steward of the very able Errol. Finally, i find two sets of schools who are questioning the agreement. The producer who fears competition (Even though we haven't heard from any) and our Leader in Opposing.....Ni hayo tuu.
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streetwise
#79 Posted : Wednesday, August 12, 2015 3:57:46 PM
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II once advise never ready to import the Chinese batteries and sell just like competition and one day they woke up and did exactly that.

If other countries are importing sugar and repackaging why does Kenya not do the same. Infact since the sugar is already in the county, I hear through Somalia all one need to do is go to tetrapack and order the packaging material.

In additional if these other countries are in dire need of ethanol, import and re-export.

There is no one who can hold the market still for you, you must keep on chasing the market and changing your strategies along the way.

Like said before the problem of Mumias is not the market , it is mismanagement and theft.
Wakanyugi
#80 Posted : Wednesday, August 12, 2015 6:18:08 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
[quote=Njung'e][quote=Wakanyugi][quote=HaMaina][quote=Museveni]

Can you please explain this? How is exposing dying Mumias to competition, including possibly re-exported sugar routed through Uganda, good for the company?

Why then were they earlier fighting the removal of COMESA protections?




Kenya has been protecting it's sugar industries from rogue COMESA states which import sugar from other destinations and export it to Kenya as their product. This countries are Egypt,Malawi and Swaziland. Uganda has never been on the list.Two,when you look at the key smuggled sugar points on our porous borders,again,the Ugandan side brings in 0% and it will take a miracle for it to become an entry to smuggled sugar.Three, we are quick to ask our neighbours to open up their borders so we may access their markets but we are not willing to open ours .They won't even tell that MSC's biggest market for ethanol has been Uganda and DRC)). Four, it must be noted that Kakira,Mumias and Lugazi are not far from one another and therefore a fair and competitive environment is an advantage to each.MSC will have advantage due it's size and if they resolve their issues which i believe will be done shortly under the steward of the very able Errol. Finally, i find two sets of schools who are questioning the agreement. The producer who fears competition (Even though we haven't heard from any) and our Leader in Opposing.....Ni hayo tuu.


Thank you for the explaination. From what you say, it would seem that Ugandan sugar is not a threat to Mumias (and I assume by extension to the Kenyan sugar industry).

But I still don't see how it will help Mumias whose impeding death has more to do with managerial incompetence than competition. Competition is the last thing they would want, even when the threat is overblown.

Finally, as you have noted, all the critics who are coming out of the wood work seem to come armed with political arguments, none economic or geopolitical. In fact I expect a threat by the Western block to 'rethink' their recent Glasnost with Jubilee to be issued soon. It will be interesting to see how Uhuruto square this circle.
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