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masukuma
#51 Posted : Friday, August 07, 2015 12:04:09 PM
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my theory is Humans need to understand the universe... or at least be able to explain it to themselves! That is how the human brain works... it simply does not like saying SIJUI one too many times when confronted with a question and may need to delude itself into having an "answer". The people you ridicule - the people in the slums and the not so green areas of Kenya need to believe something! I think it was @Tycho who once asked and I paraphrase "what will we need to pray for" in the context of wealth, understanding. It's a plain fact that Religion is the opium of the poor ... and it's good for Opium to do it's thing! Numb the pain of poverty! Sedate the mind by telling it about a nicer place (paved with Gold) because if it does not... you will not like that horde of people matching your way.
I remember asking about this photo some years back

- I think @hambuglar had an answer that "the system failed the kid". I remember asking about the parent of this kid.. is he/she willing to believe that's it? the Kid was eaten by that vulture and THAT IS IT? I think we are not ready for the hordes of people living in destitution to believe "THIS IS IT! YOU DIED AND - THAT'S ALL FOLKS" simply because (my opinion) they will raid @Hambuglar's restaurant - kwani utaDo? Atheism only works with educated people simply because THEY KNOW BETTER and the system kinda works for them. Not for everyone! My thoughts!
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#52 Posted : Friday, August 07, 2015 12:21:10 PM
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Might makes 'right'.The only question is who or what is the mightiest.
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tycho
#53 Posted : Friday, August 07, 2015 12:27:35 PM
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masukuma wrote:
my theory is Humans need to understand the universe... or at least be able to explain it to themselves! That is how the human brain works... it simply does not like saying SIJUI one too many times when confronted with a question and may need to delude itself into having an "answer". The people you ridicule - the people in the slums and the not so green areas of Kenya need to believe something! I think it was @Tycho who once asked and I paraphrase "what will we need to pray for" in the context of wealth, understanding. It's a plain fact that Religion is the opium of the poor ... and it's good for Opium to do it's thing! Numb the pain of poverty! Sedate the mind by telling it about a nicer place (paved with Gold) because if it does not... you will not like that horde of people matching your way.
I remember asking about this photo some years back

- I think @hambuglar had an answer that "the system failed the kid". I remember asking about the parent of this kid.. is he/she willing to believe that's it? the Kid was eaten by that vulture and THAT IS IT? I think we are not ready for the hordes of people living in destitution to believe "THIS IS IT! YOU DIED AND - THAT'S ALL FOLKS" simply because (my opinion) they will raid @Hambuglar's restaurant - kwani utaDo? Atheism only works with educated people simply because THEY KNOW BETTER and the system kinda works for them. Not for everyone! My thoughts!


My thought is that knowledge has no 'better'. Knowledge is about solving an experiential issue. And all experience is valid. Atheists know what they know, same for many other experiences that are possible.

Religion may be an opiate to the masses, but it may be something else to other humans. Imagine what religion was during the Renaissance for example. It was a spur for the sublime.
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timuka
#54 Posted : Friday, August 07, 2015 12:28:31 PM
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masukuma wrote:
my theory is Humans need to understand the universe... or at least be able to explain it to themselves! That is how the human brain works... it simply does not like saying SIJUI one too many times when confronted with a question and may need to delude itself into having an "answer". The people you ridicule - the people in the slums and the not so green areas of Kenya need to believe something! I think it was @Tycho who once asked and I paraphrase "what will we need to pray for" in the context of wealth, understanding. It's a plain fact that Religion is the opium of the poor ... and it's good for Opium to do it's thing! Numb the pain of poverty! Sedate the mind by telling it about a nicer place (paved with Gold) because if it does not... you will not like that horde of people matching your way.
I remember asking about this photo some years back

- I think @hambuglar had an answer that "the system failed the kid". I remember asking about the parent of this kid.. is he/she willing to believe that's it? the Kid was eaten by that vulture and THAT IS IT? I think we are not ready for the hordes of people living in destitution to believe "THIS IS IT! YOU DIED AND - THAT'S ALL FOLKS" simply because (my opinion) they will raid @Hambuglar's restaurant - kwani utaDo? Atheism only works with educated people simply because THEY KNOW BETTER and the system kinda works for them. Not for everyone! My thoughts!


Applause Applause Applause Well put Masukuma. The more you question religion, the more your faith dwindles, the more you become enlightened.
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tycho
#55 Posted : Friday, August 07, 2015 12:33:44 PM
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¿ wrote:
Might makes 'right'.The only question is who or what is the mightiest.


Not always. Thucydides made the quote in the 'Peloponysian war' when Athens and Sparta were at war, but neither party won, instead an outsider came in and took control. And the Macedonians discovered that civilizations are built by tact and consensus not might.
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tycho
#56 Posted : Friday, August 07, 2015 12:38:09 PM
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timuka wrote:
masukuma wrote:
my theory is Humans need to understand the universe... or at least be able to explain it to themselves! That is how the human brain works... it simply does not like saying SIJUI one too many times when confronted with a question and may need to delude itself into having an "answer". The people you ridicule - the people in the slums and the not so green areas of Kenya need to believe something! I think it was @Tycho who once asked and I paraphrase "what will we need to pray for" in the context of wealth, understanding. It's a plain fact that Religion is the opium of the poor ... and it's good for Opium to do it's thing! Numb the pain of poverty! Sedate the mind by telling it about a nicer place (paved with Gold) because if it does not... you will not like that horde of people matching your way.
I remember asking about this photo some years back

- I think @hambuglar had an answer that "the system failed the kid". I remember asking about the parent of this kid.. is he/she willing to believe that's it? the Kid was eaten by that vulture and THAT IS IT? I think we are not ready for the hordes of people living in destitution to believe "THIS IS IT! YOU DIED AND - THAT'S ALL FOLKS" simply because (my opinion) they will raid @Hambuglar's restaurant - kwani utaDo? Atheism only works with educated people simply because THEY KNOW BETTER and the system kinda works for them. Not for everyone! My thoughts!


Applause Applause Applause Well put Masukuma. The more you question religion, the more your faith dwindles, the more you become enlightened.


There are many religions in this world, so to claim 'enlightenment' by this assertion isn't open to proof. It's like cooking your accounts to fool investors.
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¿
#57 Posted : Friday, August 07, 2015 12:39:30 PM
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tycho wrote:
¿ wrote:
Might makes 'right'.The only question is who or what is the mightiest.


Not always. Thucydides made the quote in the 'Peloponysian war' when Athens and Sparta were at war, but neither party won, instead an outsider came in and took control. And the Macedonians discovered that civilizations are built by tact and consensus not might.


Tact and diplomacy was mightier!
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Othelo
#58 Posted : Friday, August 07, 2015 12:47:37 PM
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With all these religions out there, which God is greatest and why?
Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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tycho
#59 Posted : Friday, August 07, 2015 12:48:28 PM
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¿ wrote:
tycho wrote:
¿ wrote:
Might makes 'right'.The only question is who or what is the mightiest.


Not always. Thucydides made the quote in the 'Peloponysian war' when Athens and Sparta were at war, but neither party won, instead an outsider came in and took control. And the Macedonians discovered that civilizations are built by tact and consensus not might.


Tact and diplomacy was mightier!


Only that wasn't the question for the belligerents. I can even claim that tact and consensus was an emergent strategy. Something not amenable to predicted law and wisdom.
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masukuma
#60 Posted : Friday, August 07, 2015 12:49:59 PM
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Religion has it's uses! not for everyone but whether we accept it or not it's the one thing that keeps the poor from murdering the rich! Ask yourself - how did organized religion come to being? 10-11k years ago when humans started settling down... they started agriculture and building "society" as we know it there were issues! issues of Law! how do you ensure that people live together and don't murder each other? Organized religion sprung up from there... Reminds me of the old parable about 2-3 kids being given eggs and asked to break them when no one is looking! and one came back with an egg intact saying - God was always looking! the concept of a roving eye in the sky that is always looking and recording what you are doing is a great pacifier! it pacifies people murdering each other - coz no one is looking! it pacifies people raiding other people's houses and taking stuff - just because they can. Of course the same religion had to encompass ambition and thus created an us-verse-them dynamic... we are the chosen ones... those other guys.. heathens!!

we can.. kill them... take them for slaves... plunder their territory... we are right! they are wrong!! Why? because God told us!
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