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timuka
#2131 Posted : Friday, July 31, 2015 4:25:11 PM
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Gatheuzi wrote:
Impunity wrote:
obiero wrote:
Impunity wrote:
snipermnoma wrote:
A loss was on the cards but surely not this huge! For those holding KQ this must be so brutally painful.


May be this is some kind of "book value" loss, its not actual cheda lost..25B is too much to be a loss for the company of that size.
Wacha tungoje arm chair analyst waendelee kuanlayze numbers. Numbers though may lie.

No. Most of it isnt 'book value' loss. Its actual money lost on the overhead as well as fleet costs. Only the unrealised loss of 5b from hedging can be said as 'paper loss'.. Miujiza haya. No wonder DJCK called it bullshit in the media briefing


If you remove the 5B "paper loss" due hedging, we still have 20B loss...how can a company making revenue upwards of 110B and spending 130B expected to survive and recover?

What areas can be done away with or tighten to loosen up some cash?

Can they return say 50% of those bland (yes, bland) new planes, pay the fines and save on rent?

Also may be ask pilots to accelerates the aircraft very fast for the first half of the journey high up then let the bird "free-wheel" to the final destination, this will save much fuel!
But I am a layman.



Nice one....Laughing out loudly



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EndowGaze
#2132 Posted : Friday, July 31, 2015 5:30:08 PM
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And the drama continues....

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/...managers-probed?pageNo=2 d'oh!
Money is like manure. You have to spread it around or it smells. ~ J. Paul Getty
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VituVingiSana
#2133 Posted : Saturday, August 01, 2015 11:48:55 AM
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Here is my take if you want to buy KQ shares.

If you have 100,000/- buy a 2 year T-Bond. After 2 years buy KQ shares. I doubt KQ will make significant gains that can beat 12% on bonds.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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mlennyma
#2134 Posted : Saturday, August 01, 2015 11:58:16 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Here is my take if you want to buy KQ shares.

If you have 100,000/- buy a 2 year T-Bond. After 2 years buy KQ shares. I doubt KQ will make significant gains that can beat 12% on bonds.

with panic selling you can double your fortune in a month it will depend on the extend of panic by especially wanjikus
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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murchr
#2135 Posted : Saturday, August 01, 2015 5:04:14 PM
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"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Gathige
#2136 Posted : Saturday, August 01, 2015 11:49:53 PM
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A colleague just lost his baggage while on KQ flight and is swearing never to fly them again. This airline has just too many problems and would be be left to die naturally and a new airline picks up and starts afresh.

A PR stunt with Sir Charles and Manu is a script from the past, holding nothing for the future.
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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harrydre
#2137 Posted : Sunday, August 02, 2015 12:40:03 PM
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Gatheuzi wrote:
Impunity wrote:
obiero wrote:
Impunity wrote:
snipermnoma wrote:
A loss was on the cards but surely not this huge! For those holding KQ this must be so brutally painful.


May be this is some kind of "book value" loss, its not actual cheda lost..25B is too much to be a loss for the company of that size.
Wacha tungoje arm chair analyst waendelee kuanlayze numbers. Numbers though may lie.

No. Most of it isnt 'book value' loss. Its actual money lost on the overhead as well as fleet costs. Only the unrealised loss of 5b from hedging can be said as 'paper loss'.. Miujiza haya. No wonder DJCK called it bullshit in the media briefing


If you remove the 5B "paper loss" due hedging, we still have 20B loss...how can a company making revenue upwards of 110B and spending 130B expected to survive and recover?

What areas can be done away with or tighten to loosen up some cash?

Can they return say 50% of those bland (yes, bland) new planes, pay the fines and save on rent?

Also may be ask pilots to accelerates the aircraft very fast for the first half of the journey high up then let the bird "free-wheel" to the final destination, this will save much fuel!
But I am a layman.



Nice one....Laughing out loudly


Very funny coming from an engineer.smile
i.am.back!!!!
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obiero
#2138 Posted : Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:57:54 PM
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Now that all is said and done.. How much lower can the share slide?? Can it go below kobole?? God forbid ooh..
COOP, IMH, KEGN, KQ, MTNU
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jerry
#2139 Posted : Sunday, August 02, 2015 5:08:01 PM
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obiero wrote:
Impunity wrote:
snipermnoma wrote:
A loss was on the cards but surely not this huge! For those holding KQ this must be so brutally painful.


May be this is some kind of "book value" loss, its not actual cheda lost..25B is too much to be a loss for the company of that size.
Wacha tungoje arm chair analyst waendelee kuanlayze numbers. Numbers though may lie.

No. Most of it isnt 'book value' loss. Its actual money lost on the overhead as well as fleet costs. Only the unrealised loss of 5b from hedging can be said as 'paper loss'.. Miujiza haya. No wonder DJCK called it bullshit in the media briefing

https://en.m.wikipedia.o...rpetual_motion_machines
The above makes good reading for the engineer!
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
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itz
#2140 Posted : Sunday, August 02, 2015 5:15:08 PM
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obiero wrote:
Now that all is said and done.. How much lower can the share slide?? Can it go below kobole?? God forbid ooh..


Going by everything Mbuvi has said since he became CEO and also on all TV networks after the disastrous losses it seems a chapter 11 bankruptcy is in the making and this will wipe all shareholders value.either a reorganization type bankruptcy or the GOK lends them like 40 bill at 2-3% with a 20 plus year loan term then hire a CEO who has been able to turn around a big airline from bankruptcy.
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